#arpnetworks 2012-05-30,Wed

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qbit_hola [10:33]
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qbit_til you guys do colo
bawesome
what would it cost to get a 1u dell sc 1425 colo'd ? 		[12:59]
jpalmerjpalmer is upgrading a fbsd vps for someone. and DAMN is it slow. I just told them about ARP :P [13:13]
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qbit_oh hai Zetas [13:14]
Zetashellos
so kyl gave me this guide to upgrade: http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html#x-kbd-cfg
but that makes baby jesus cry
is there an easier way?
like apt-get distupgrade
lol 		[13:14]
qbit_Zetas: that script i linkered you earlier does exactly that stuff
would take a quick mod to make it work with non-snap based stuff 		[13:15]
Zetasyou linked a script? i didn't see that [13:15]
qbit_https://github.com/qbit/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/update_snap
actually - it wouldn't even take a mod
just remove line 3
oh wait
lol
nm
remvoe line 3 and line 19 		[13:15]
ZetasZetas gives qbit_ another minute to look it over
lol 		[13:17]
qbit_and set SNAP_PATH=ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.1/<arch>
or just ftp ftp.openbsd.org; cd /pub/OpenBSD/5.1/arch
mget *
and then paste that "Save a copy of reboot(8), install new userland applications." bit
just don't forget to config -e -f /bsd 		[13:17]
Zetasok its running
standby for re-install from image
lol 		[13:21]
qbit_ha
:P
when it reboots.. make sure you "sysmerge -s etc51.tgz"
and "cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV all"
^ do the makedev first 		[13:21]
Zetask [13:22]
qbit_also - mybad
pass 5.1 to that script
./update_snap 5.1 		[13:23]
Zetasoh god [13:23]
qbit_lal
ABORTABORT
otherwise it will just upgrade you to the latest 4.7 :P 		[13:24]
Zetas# ./update_snap 5.1
./update_snap[13]: 5.1X: unexpected `.'
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.1/amd64/

^C 		[13:25]
qbit_heh
ewps
that -eq should probably be == 		[13:26]
Zetasheh, yea, lets try that
there we go
so far so good 		[13:29]
qbit_wew [13:35]
up_the_ironsjpalmer: :)
qbit_: do you know how much power that dell uses?
LOL, "but that makes baby jesus cry" 		[13:43]
Zetas;) [13:45]
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qbit_up_the_irons: dell's documentation says 450W @ For eutrophication, cotton growing is the main contributor, from the use and
production of fertilizer. Cotton growing and the energy consumed during cotton
lol
paste fail 		[13:51]
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qbit_1876 BTU/hr maximum
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/SC1425/en/ug/f3593aa0.htm#wp1052765 		[13:52]
up_the_ironslol
qbit_: that's typical not what it consumes in practice. any idea what the real usage would be? do u have a watt meter? :) what kinda proc's does it have? 		[13:52]
qbit_dual xeon 2.8ghz
i don't know the wattage irl
i will find out tho :D 		[13:54]
up_the_ironsthose xeon's are hungry mothers [13:54]
qbit_k
i will get some actual numbers
with high cpu usage 		[13:54]
up_the_ironsi imagine 2.1 amps
tell me if i'm right once u know :) 		[13:55]
qbit_k
assuming 2.1 amps - what would the cost be/ 		[13:55]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons calculates
qbit_: how many ips needed? (it can share the vlan with your vps, if this is going under the same account) 		[13:55]
qbit_woo
one ip 		[13:56]
up_the_ironsk
that would be 250W of power (2.1A), so the MRC would be $150 / mo.
qbit_: ^ 		[13:56]
qbit_k
kew
thanks 		[13:59]
up_the_ironsnp [13:59]
Zetasup_the_irons: can you give a price on a per-ip charge for colo? [13:59]
up_the_ironsZetas: per-ip charge? [13:59]
Zetasthe cost per additional ip address
ipv4 		[13:59]
up_the_ironsZetas: we typically do $1 per IP for small blocks for our VPS platform (/29's and /28's), but for larger blocks we need to talk. It wouldn't be more than $2 per IP. [14:00]
Zetasok, $2/ip/month is what i've paid in the past
thats too expensive for my needs 		[14:00]
up_the_ironsZetas: yeah, it's on par
Zetas: how many IPs do you need? 		[14:01]
Zetasas many as possible i suppose, it would be for a vps provider (if you even allowed such a thing) some places get pissy about it which is fine.
in the past i've maintained blocks of 80 or more
but to hit th $5/month pricepoint its kinda hard to get that when you're paying $2 up front for the IP 		[14:02]
up_the_ironsZetas: definitely
Zetas: with IPv4 runout under way, it's not gonna get better either ;) 		[14:03]
Zetasyea i know lol, i flirted with the idea of ipv6-only vps's but i don't know if there is any market for that, i assume not, at least not now. [14:04]
up_the_ironsZetas: yeah, not yet
my whole network does 1.5 Mbps of IPv6 on the 95th, so not much traffic 		[14:04]
Zetasyears ago i was colo'd in a DC in atlanta, they used to hand out a /27 to every new customer off the bat and additional /27's were not a problem either lol.
the good ol' days 		[14:05]
up_the_ironsZetas: absolutely... i got 16 /24's from a provider called Aleron once...
they didn't even blink 		[14:05]
Zetashaha nice [14:06]
qbit_Zetas: that upgrade work? [14:06]
Zetasi see new blocks coming on the market though. One old lady somehow managed to get her hands on a /8 and was auctioning it off
i think it sold for millions
qbit_: still downloading 		[14:06]
up_the_ironsZetas: omg, *that* makes baby jesus cry [14:06]
Zetasup_the_irons: doesn't it though.. lol. Another one of those "if only.." [14:07]
up_the_ironsZetas: you can try Syminet (http://syminet.com) for colo and cheaper IPs (maybe). They are in the same data center as me and use our network (and our IPs, heh). Maybe they'll bundle something for ya. [14:08]
Zetasup_the_irons: thanks for the link. My VPS service already folded earlier in the year but i always hold out hope for it to come back some day. [14:08]
up_the_ironsZetas: yeah, it's never too late :)
Zetas: what was your offering like? 		[14:09]
Zetasup_the_irons: i just signed up for one of your 512 bsd slices yesterday, im working on it today, so far im impressed with your setup. It's simple, elegant, and most importantly, functional. lol [14:10]
up_the_ironsZetas: glad you like it :) [14:10]
Zetasup_the_irons: it was xen based. I offered every flavor of linux under the sun. Automated restores, customer controlled kernels, restore partitions in the boot process, SSH console, etc. [14:11]
up_the_ironsZetas: nice [14:11]
Zetasi didn't get into hvm/qemu for many reasons, least of which was demand. Hardly anyone wants bsd/windows vps's.
qbit_: I put etc.tgz and xetc.tgz in ~/
Don't forget to sysmerge when done!
thats what the script said when it finished just now 		[14:12]
qbit_wew
dun forget to do it
:D
also MAKEDEV 		[14:13]
up_the_ironsZetas: right, but problem with a xen / linux offering is there are, I imagine, over 1000+ hosts doing that. lots of competition make it very hard to get into the market [14:14]
Zetasup_the_irons: true, though i had a few things no one else did. My ssh control panel was pretty advanced, as were my restore capabilities. You could, at a glance, reboot and drop into a live linux distro to repair your system, reinstall your os or any other os, take snapshots and restore backups all from the ssh console.
thats kinda what i was banking on 		[14:17]
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up_the_ironsZetas: ah, very nice
Zetas: did your advertising focus on that? 		[14:18]
Zetasup_the_irons: it would have. Never got that far. I had to close up shop about a month before launch. I couldn't afford to keep it running since i was leasing the hardware.
qbit_: something looks wrong:
# tar -C / -xzphf xserv51.tgz
tar: End of archive volume 1 reached
tar: Sorry, unable to determine archive format. 		[14:21]
up_the_ironsZetas: ah ok [14:21]
Zetasup_the_irons: good admin, bad businessman lol [14:21]
up_the_ironshaha [14:21]
Zetasqbit_: oh it looks like it did those tar's already in your script
qbit_: so i copied the reboot 		[14:22]
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Zetasqbit_: ok i have to leave, i'll deal with this later. Thanks for the help :) [14:27]
qbit_np [14:32]
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qbit_well Zetas ? is it alive? [19:54]
up_the_ironsIf I were to make CentOS templates available to order (so one didn't have to install it on their own), what would be prefered: 5.x or 6.x ? [20:01]
qbit_>.>
<.<
OpenBSD :D
ehhem
6.x finally came out? 		[20:03]
up_the_ironsyeah, been out for a while [20:03]
qbit_ha
nice 		[20:04]
jdoeup_the_irons: 6
upgrading is a PITA :P
and anyone who says different is a lying goddamn liar that lies ;) 		[20:17]
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zeeshoemI would stick with 5.x as it can still be run on 256 MB Ram [23:19]
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