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[10:25] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [10:31] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:32] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:37] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:38] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [11:54] *** davidL is now known as davidL|FSL [12:10] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:13] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [12:40] *** davidL|FSL is now known as davidL [12:50] *** ariel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [12:53] *** ariel has joined #arpnetworks [13:15] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:15] *** CaZe` has joined #arpnetworks [13:15] *** CaZe` is now known as CaZe [13:25] *** awyeah__ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:25] *** CaZe` has joined #arpnetworks [13:26] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:26] *** CaZe` is now known as CaZe [13:26] *** awyeah__ has joined #arpnetworks [13:30] *** himuraken has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:31] Hey, can anyone answer a couple of fast questions from a prospective tiny customer here? [13:40] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:42] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [13:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:44] *** himuraken has joined #arpnetworks [14:09] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:14] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [14:34] spacey: best not to ask to ask, just ask :) [14:53] tiny customer is tiny? [14:54] *** vapor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [14:58] *** vapor has joined #arpnetworks [15:39] tiny customer is indeed looking for one tiny instance that does very little [15:40] spacey: what will it do? [15:40] I'm interested in running a relatively small vm that will do dns (tinydns, dnscache for itself) and be listed with whosoever is the internic these days as the nameserver for a few zones [15:40] ah, authoritative name server [15:40] As well as some mail serving - for me, by me, with me as the only user. Maybe some web pages in the future. [15:41] I'm mainly interested in making sure that the IP addresses are relatively fixed for the life of the service. [15:41] so...whats the question? [15:41] haha [15:41] o [15:41] yes [15:41] I'm used to dealing with AWS at work, where those things are "buy an IP address, and get spam-bucketed" [15:42] well, i do get lots of ssh connection attempts on my ip [15:42] my auth logs are long [15:43] This is running on a server that's about 15 years old, whose disks are about 10 years old, and one of the raid 1 disks just died yesterday after the ancient version of my openssl-linked couriertls got turned into a consistent segfault due, I assume, to yesterday's vuln announcement [15:43] I'd like to move it [15:43] spacey: you can be confident that your IP will not change. i can't remember *ever* changing an IP on a customer ever since I got my own IP space (7 years ago or so) [15:44] OK, I'll notify the guy I'm secondarying for then, and deal with the signup this weekend. [15:44] cool [15:44] Thanks. [15:44] spacey: so AWS IPs are spam targets, or ... ? [15:45] milki ssh connections hardly seem worth running fail2ban/etc. for anymore. They just keep happening and I don't want to lock myself out when I'm drinking [15:45] heh [15:45] i lcok myself out all the time when using git >.> [15:45] i make fast connections [15:45] but theres out-of-band [15:45] up_the_irons I think that since AWS advertises their netblocks they're counted as untrusworthy because there is no accountability. Best pratcies there is to pay for someone to do authenticated relay [15:45] so its never a real concern [15:46] Sorry, cause+effect is that since aws is dynamic, people can run instant-spam bots there. [15:46] Effect is that since their netblocks are published, it's easy to give them a -5 on SA and continue with life [15:47] I guess it's really more nuanced than that, but you get the idea [15:47] spacey: ah, roger that [15:47] spacey: well, i can definitely understand the "instant-ness" of it creates a haven for spammers [15:49] not sure if anyone is officially giving negative scores to AWS IPs b/c of that, but that would be interesting. there's definitely a lot of *legit* stuff on AWS, so that would suck for AWS users to get .. umm... what would be the "racial profiling" version of hosting? host profiling? [15:49] up_the_irons, you can always use AWS SES.. for a fee ;) Though it's pretty solid for me since switching a few projects to it [15:50] spacey: fyi, all ISPs have to publish their IP space [15:50] pjs: ah cool [15:54] up_the_irons I mean aside from e.g. getting it from a looking glass, it's on their website [15:55] spacey: yeah [15:55] spacey: you can just get it from ARIN's WHOIS [15:57] True, but for a lot of ISPs that means actual work, like decuding which ASN that was at one point BBN is now part of e.g. google or ATT or whatever, doesn't it? [15:58] spacey: well, you can get it programatically from route objects, instead of manually from their site. seems the automatic part would be less work :) [15:59] spacey: but sure, i suppose if they don't have a lot of IP blocks, then copy & paste might be the most straight forward solution :) [16:00] wow, lots of IP blocks: [16:00] http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS16509&v=4&view=2.0 [16:01] up_the_irons: Amazon deaggregate their prefixes heavily for traffic engineering purposes [16:02] plett: yeah, i can imagine [16:05] *** mhoran has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:05] *** hive-min1 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** ariel has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** kennyz has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** portertech has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** Lefty has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** pjs has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** twobitha1ker has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 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[18:30] *** dferris has joined #arpnetworks [18:30] *** dferris_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:00] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [20:20] *** gift has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [20:21] *** gift has joined #arpnetworks [20:50] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [21:17] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:19] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [21:19] hey up_the_irons I wasn't paying attention to my admin@ email - can you please get the billing system to rety my card? It is likely that there was no money in the account when it tried to bill. [21:20] s/rety/re-try/ [21:21] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:22] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [21:22] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [21:22] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [22:21] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [22:22] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:43] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks