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[01:15] <DDevine> kbeezie: You get thousands of IPs for free with IPv6.
[01:15] <kbeezie> :P true true
[01:15] <kbeezie> but sometimes you jsut need another IPv4 since not everyone has an IPv6 tunnel
[01:16] <kbeezie> (SSL certs and what not for browsers that don't have SNI compatibility)
[01:16] <DDevine> I can't move ISP, because this is the only ISP in Australia that has dual stack.
[01:17] <DDevine> So I'm getting raped price-wise by this ISP. I don't want a tunnel.
[01:17] <kbeezie> lol
[01:17] <DDevine> Though with money the way it is, I may have to...
[01:17] <kbeezie> I don't know any ISP here in michgian (US) that has dual stack other than for businesses
[01:17] <kbeezie> but least at home I use the free IPv6 tunnel with he.net
[01:18] <kbeezie> was eyeing arpnetwork due to KVM and cuz I want to run freebsd, I just signed up for bitcable's 256MB (8/month) kvm plan just to see how they are before I consider just using arpnetworks
[01:18] <kbeezie> I'd run it myself, but can't do freebsd on openvz
[01:19] <DDevine> I'm just running Linux on mine.
[01:31] <G> DDevine: have internode turned super expensive?
[01:41] <kbeezie> DDevine: well if I wanted to run linux I'd just use my own VPS hosting I do :D
[02:41] <DDevine> G: yes. They raised prices and slashed download limits.
[02:41] <DDevine> At least on Naked.
[02:41] <DDevine> kbeezie: I needed full virtualisation, that's why I moved off OpenVZ.
[02:41] <DDevine> Though I don't need that anymore, I stay here because it is so hassle free.
[02:56] <G> DDevine: ha, just looked at the pricing, Naked is more expensive than ADSL+Phone
[03:00] <DDevine> No it isn't. It's almost the same price though.
[03:01] <G> 200GB $79.95 Naked, $79.90 Bundled, sure it's 5cents, but every cent counts :P
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[03:05] <Devine> Actually, you're right, but it depends what you're comparing.
[03:06] <Devine> acutlly, those crafty buggers have updated the plans without emailing me.
[03:07] <G> Devine: they put your price up without telling you?
[03:07] <Devine> yes and no.
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[03:12] <Devine> Were probably going to be sharing with people again soon so price won't be as big of an issue.
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[03:46] <kbeezie> Devine: sharing?
[03:47] <kbeezie> Devine: btw what were you needing full virtualization for in the past?
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[03:48] <kbeezie> wb Devine
[03:56] <Devine> house
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[04:41] <Devine> Lol @ twitter.
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[05:02] <kbeezie> eh
[05:03] <kbeezie> you having network problems devine ?
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[12:38] <kbeezie> curious what country of origin most of the arpnetwork staff are from
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[15:06] <kbeezie> whats' a typical turn around time after ordering (course taking into consideration it is sunday)
[15:19] <Guest98663> kbeezie: usually one business day
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[15:25] <kbeezie> :P I'd thank the guest for their answer if they didn't scurry away :D
[15:27] <kbeezie> :P nice, got an email saying it'll be ready in 5 mins :D
[15:32] <jpalmer> kbeezie: that guest was me.  ;)
[15:33] <jpalmer> irc client wigged out and I didn't notice it when I answered you
[15:50] <kbeezie> well least arp understand security
[15:50] <kbeezie>  the first host I had that doesnt allow root ssh login by default
[15:52] <jpalmer> that's probably more a difference between linux and BSD.  most linux distros allow root ssh by default.  most BSD's don't
[15:53] <kbeezie> true
[15:53] <kbeezie> last time I used FreeBSD was when I had a dedicated server (and I missed FreeBSD when I had to cancel that)
[15:53] <kbeezie> yesterday I signed up for Bitcable , course they didn't have freebsd iso so had to get it, no templates, you install yourself, etc
[15:54] <kbeezie>  got their 8/month 256MB one to try out, but course it was 10mbit uplink as well (they don't tell you on the site, just that their 'nodes' have 1 gbit)
[15:54] <kbeezie> so figured, might as well try arp, so far they seem to be the better deal
[15:55] <kbeezie> but it's nice to find a VPS host aside from rootBSD that actually understands BSD setups
[15:57] <jpalmer> I think arp caters to BSD.  though,  linux is an option ;)
[15:58] <kbeezie> my fustration started when I signed up with turnkey cuz they advertized FreeBSD 8.2 with the 75% off for life sale, only to find out their version of Xen-HVM is not compatible and that they never had anyone ask for FreeBSD before
[15:59] * jpalmer is a 20 year BSD admin.  2 years ago, I took a job with a linux-centric shop (ubuntu at the time,  now RHEL)  and don't have any BSD machines left that I directly maintain.
[16:01] <kbeezie> all my customers are linux :/
[16:01] <kbeezie> I provide openvz VPSes, (hence you can see the reason for no BSD)
[16:03] <kbeezie> noticed they had 8.1 at arp, but I get a message that 8.2-Release is gona be end of life in 2 months :P
[16:03] <kbeezie> time to be updatin :D
[16:11] <jpalmer> you can ask ARP to mount any ISO image you want..  or you can freebsd-update / build world
[16:17] <kbeezie> well right now I'm attempting to do a -r upgrade to 8.2-Release
[16:17] <kbeezie>  mainly letting it replace everything except for the hosts settings arp installed
[16:17] <kbeezie> debating 9.0-RC3 though
[16:18] <kbeezie> since it wont be long before they release. release :D
[16:21] <kbeezie> but yea got that email, logged in, setup passwords, created a new user, deleted the other one, yada yada :D
[16:21] <kbeezie> and it's fast...
[16:23] <jpalmer> for a VPS,  ARP seems to have some of the best disk IO I've seen.
[16:25] <kbeezie> they're using raid-10 arent they?
[16:28] <jpalmer> I'd suspect. but don't know for sure.
[16:29] <kbeezie> :P guess the only thing better would be SSD and Raid10 :D
[16:30] <jpalmer> meh.  SSD..  nowhere near as reliable as magentic disks yet.  I'll take the reliability over the speed any day ;)
[16:30] <jpalmer> besides,   if they used SSD..  your prices would skyrocket :P
[16:31] <kbeezie> odd didn't consider SSD being less reliable (ie: solid state vs moveing/degratting platters)
[16:31] <kbeezie> unless course certain SSDs can fail after so many 'flips'
[16:32] <kbeezie> I wonder how many 'cores' I can utilize
[16:33] <kbeezie> I know the boxes are said to be dual-quad
[16:35] <kbeezie> ahh single core
[16:35] <kbeezie> "hw.ncpu: 1" , QUEMU virtual
[16:36] <kbeezie> "You may order additional CPU cores for $2.00 USD"
[16:36] <kbeezie> seems like 2 would normally be a good starter...
[16:39] * jpalmer hasn't been unhappy with 1.  so,  seems to me that..  it's a decent start.
[16:39] <jpalmer> keep in mind,  just because the vps only see's one,  doesn't mean the underlying hypervisor can't allocate more as needed.
[16:39] <kbeezie> we shall see :D just doing updates and portsnap fetching at the moment
[16:40] <kbeezie> though normally nginx will take advatange of mroe than 1 core if it's present (ie: if I use 2 workers on 2 cores)
[16:49] <kbeezie> jpalmer: ... I thought KVM dind't use a "hypervisor"
[16:54] <jpalmer> s/hypervisor/platform/   I'm a vmware guy, myself.
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[19:01] <kbeezie> jpalmer: ... compiling ports is slow on 1 core...
[19:02] <kbeezie> slower than the cheapie 2-core 256mb one over at bitcable
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[19:12] <DDevine> I've noticed that some things are ususually slow for reasons I can't figure out. pip/virtualenv is sluggish.
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