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[10:49] <kbeezie> *sigh no paypal* was gona sign up today but will probably have to wait a week (by the way your "summer" special still going into winter :P )
[11:05] <arenlor> It's the special that started in the summer?
[11:05] <arenlor> Also, it's summer in the Southern Hemisphere.
[11:05] <kbeezie> (of course :P)
[11:05] <kbeezie> guess it's summer everywhere when its not spring/fall :P
[11:07] <kbeezie> Mainly been looking fround for FreeBSD, can't seem to rely on any Xen hosting that says "oh yes it works" then sign up only to be put thru the trouble of finding out they upgraded to a Xen version that's incompatible with BSD
[11:08] <Lefty> my arpnetwork VPSes are all freebsd and work very well
[11:08] <kbeezie> was just reading they're using KVM/QEMU which is promising
[11:09] <kbeezie> I'd try it today but I'd have to transfer moneny out of paypal onto bank just to use my card which seems to be the only payment they accept right now
[13:36] <arenlor> kbeezie: You should bug up_the_irons about it.
[13:37] <up_the_irons> paypal support is coming within the next few months
[13:38] <kbeezie> arenlor: for a moment I thought that was a nickname lol
[13:39] <kbeezie> erm... you know what I mean
[13:39] * up_the_irons still doesn't get it
[13:39] <kbeezie> ie: nick name for 'higher up'
[13:39] <kbeezie> "the brass" etc
[13:39] <kbeezie> if not paypal , look into AlertPay been using them without much of a problem either
[13:40] <up_the_irons> ah
[13:40] <kbeezie> (that and they intergrate into whmcs just fine as well)
[13:42] <mike-burns> Wow, Paypal is coming? Never thought I'd see the day.
[13:42] <kbeezie> (personally as a biz I hate paypal but...)
[13:43] <up_the_irons> it will come, and if there is elevated abuse (trolls signing up for accounts to hack, dos, etc...), then i will shut it down; i've never trusted accounts that come from ppl that can't get at least one major credit card
[13:44] <up_the_irons> (of course, those that already have major credit cards can opt to just use paypal to be more convenient, and this is the case I want to fulfill)
[13:44] <kbeezie> up_the_irons: :P in my case I don't keep a lot of funds on my debit card, most is in paypal due to many people I have to pay accepting it, otherwise it's like 3-6 days to transfer, then pay
[13:44] <kbeezie> course on the other hand, you can't exactly just charge someone's paypal account without their consent either
[13:44] <up_the_irons> yeah, so your case i'd like to solve
[13:45] <RandalSchwartz> look at dwolla too
[13:46] <kbeezie> but I know where you're coming from as I do vps hosting too, but its only openvz and freebsd is an OS I love to use for server, just can't really dedicate 'play money' towards another server and would just rather put my personal stuff on a VPS that can provide freebsd
[13:46] <kbeezie> RandalSchwartz: I always have mixed feelings about dwolla, especially with all the BS going on with mtgox and dwolla and such
[13:46] <kbeezie>  the 4 I'm accepting right now is AlertPay (my favorite so far), Amazon Simple Pay, Google Checkout, and Paypal
[13:47] <kbeezie> I do moneybooker too, but they're difficult to work with, and they have a 30 day holding period before you can use any funds received
[13:58] <reardencode> +1 dwolla, cool business, making waves
[14:06] <kbeezie> hrm an iOS app for dwolla too...
[14:13] <kbeezie> reardencode: one downside though, there's no Dwolla module for WHMCS
[14:17] <reardencode> hmm, can 3rd parties write addons for WHMCS?  Dwolla, being a tech oriented startup would probably be interested in writing or collaborating on one if so...
[14:17] <kbeezie> they can
[14:17] <kbeezie> I sent Dwolla an email asking if they had developers working on it
[14:18] <kbeezie> Mentioning that such a plugin would encourage businesses to using them over an alternative like paypal if such a module existed
[14:18] <kbeezie> since usually payment modules come from the WHMCS team as a lot of the larger payment gateways don't really even bother making the modules, they just provide an API for others to make with.
[14:21] <reardencode> gotcha, glad to hear you've already emailed dwolla, I'd love to see the cost of payments drop across the industry and dwolla is the main player pushing it down
[14:22] <kbeezie> I only knew about dwolla cuz many people try using them as a BitCoin exchange
[14:22] <kbeezie> like MtGox and the btc-otc here on freenode
[14:23] <kbeezie> (and course paypal is very prejudice against a 'virtual currency' exchange)
[14:23] <kbeezie> What I'd love to see (Though not very pratical) is a bitcoin modudle for WHMCS that can basically watch a wallet running on a server for transactions sent from the payee
[14:24] <kbeezie> (since you can do micro transactions on the very end of the payment as a form of customer #)
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[14:36] <reardencode> I also found out about dwolla because of bitcoin stuff -- I'm definitely curious to see where bitcoin goes from here, it's been up, it's been down, it's been around for a while...
[14:38] <up_the_irons> i'm also quite interested to see how bitcoin evolves
[14:51] <jlgaddis> heh, i'm glad i got out when it was waaaaay up
[15:04] <kbeezie> jlgaddis: same
[15:04] <kbeezie> I had over 130 BTC, sold some when it was around 3$, then sold rest when it was around 12$
[15:04] <kbeezie>  I got 6 left in my wallet
[15:05] <kbeezie> but looks like it's finally stabalizing again
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