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arenlor has joined #arpnetworks deppyz: heh, I am client since 1 year today. Great service and stability up_the_irons. up_the_irons: deppyz: Glad to hear! -: leev is thinking about becoming a client :)
up_the_irons thinks leev would be happy b1k3ryd3r: hehe deppyz: heh, I recommand it :> jpalmer: recommend++ deppyz: 13:05:38 up 273 days, 10:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00. leev: well I see you host the nameserver for a nice sized .au ISP so :) deppyz: never got problm :> jpalmer: speaking of being a client.. I need to update my CC info. CC expired, and I got the email today that if I don't update it, they are going to lock me in the dungeon with a perfect 10 woman, and she's gonna have her way with me.
see, even their threatening emails.. aren't :P deppyz: haha up_the_irons: dang, I want that email now jpalmer: Can I just submit a new expiration date, if nothing else has changed? up_the_irons: jpalmer: yup, but then you don't get the 10 woman ***: _id has quit IRC (Quit: changing servers) RandalSchwartz: I've been a client for 20-ish months
maybe more like 23
time flies up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: hard to believe it has been that long! RandalSchwartz: wait - am I off by a year?
maybe it just feels like almost two years. :) up_the_irons: i don't think so
the last year has gone by like lightning RandalSchwartz: yeah, since before oversee
oversee was most of last year
and now I've been at (mt) nearly 10 months
wow up_the_irons: definitely two years, cuz now i remember us talking about links on your site and stuff; that was when the product was still new
as long as we're sharing uptimes...
$ uptime
11:57:21 up 741 days, 20:55, 2 users, load average: 2.14, 1.80, 1.69
$ RandalSchwartz: I keep installing my security patches. :)
gotta reboot eventually for those up_the_irons: right ***: wallshot has joined #arpnetworks pjs: sup guys wallshot: howdy pjs: up_the_irons, anything special I need to know for compiling a kernel on fbsd vps's? arenlor: I also recommend the service. up_the_irons: pjs: not that i know of wallshot: i customized my kernel w/o any issues pjs: up_the_irons ok cool.. I didn't think so, just want to double check
I've referred several people to arp networks as well.. highly recommend! :) wallshot: lemme paste up the tweaks i made. i think they make it clear that GENERIC is pretty happy arenlor: up_the_irons: I sent in an order, but don't know if you saw that yet? pjs: wallshot cool.. thx.. I remember when I first setup my VPS's there was an issue I ran into but ended up just keeping generic for now.. but I'm gonna rebuild world on my VPS's this week and figured I'd customize the kernel a bit up_the_irons: gotta run real fast guys, bbl
arenlor: will get back toya
*to ya wallshot: http://pastebin.com/t2Gsi9er+
oops
no +
http://pastebin.com/t2Gsi9er
i created that conf file just to add the pf+altq to the kernel
builds off of GENERIC Husky: hmm its probably about time to upgrade to 8.2 arenlor: Man, I've had this since ~when RandalSchwartz did, didn't realize it was that long. wallshot: oh
but
the commented XENHVM crap is old shit (i stole XENHVM conf file to get the inclusion of GENERIC example) arenlor: I've had maybe ten minutes of down time total when up_the_irons rebooted once. pjs: Yea, I added pf stuff to my kernel but it was basically generic.. I remember the issue was with settings around tuning for postgresql arenlor: Anyone have experience with virtualmin? wallshot: aside from adding pf/altq to generic, i haven't tested other non-generic features on the vps pjs: wallshot, cool.. thx wallshot: yup ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: arenlor: btw, i did see your order and it'll be set up tonight
sorry for the delay, the days following the 1st of every month are busy (billing) arenlor: up_the_irons: No problem, just wanted to make sure it didn't get lost in billing. up_the_irons: nope, it's safe ***: Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: Going!) pjs: up_the_irons I realize this is a long shot, but is there any work being done to automate the creation of vps instances? ***: Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks jlgaddis: he'll put himself out of a job! ;) up_the_irons: pjs: yeah that's a long shot. i think it is not going to be worth rolling my own solution to that. i should incorporate something like openstack into a newer service offering and use the functionality already provided. that would in effect give ARP Networks a "cloud" service that you could buy, if you want on-demand vps instances jlgaddis: oooooh, the cloud RandalSchwartz: opennebula up_the_irons: i would need to provide some glue between the Portal and OpenStack, put some polish on it, etc... RandalSchwartz: (mt) is looking at that
and it has openstack and ec2 compat interfaces
seems more mature than openstack too jlgaddis: CloudGlue(TM) RandalSchwartz: it can burst over to any other opennebula or ec2 or openstack solution too
with pass through credentials etc up_the_irons: ok i'll have to look into that also RandalSchwartz: (mt) might burst to ec2 to handle demand, for example jlgaddis: (mt)? RandalSchwartz: media temple pjs: media temple RandalSchwartz: current client jlgaddis: ugh RandalSchwartz: current biggest client pjs: up_the_irons cool.. Yea, it'd be awesome to be able to load an instance on command.. RandalSchwartz: ... http://opennebula.org/
virtual datacenters too jlgaddis: pjs: isn't that what ec2, slicehost, etc. are for? RandalSchwartz: so you can resell, and the resellers use the identical tools to manage them pjs: up_the_irons what about backing up images? Be nice to be able to create a new instance from an existing image
jlgaddis do they support freebsd? last time I checked, they didn't up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: burst to ec2? as in, they'd just resell ec2 instances if they were out of room? RandalSchwartz: yes up_the_irons: pjs: yeah, on demand backups have been a frequently requested item RandalSchwartz: takes time to provision machines in the datacenter jlgaddis: pjs: the 9.0 rc is supported by amazon, yes. colin percival is working on that. pjs: jlgaddis nice.. but that doesn't mean arp networks wouldn't benefit from having instances on demand jlgaddis: i think the latest 8.x may be supported as well
pjs: *shrug* garry's call, i suppose pjs: jlgaddis I use arp for 3 major reasons.. 1. service is excellent! 2. freebsd support 3. price :) wallshot: 4: see #3 pjs: wallshot :) wallshot: yah #2 and #3 make up for the lack of on-the-fly automation of service management
i played with linode and ec2, and the ability to go tweak things on a whim at the moment you want to is great, but it definitely comes at a cost
plus neither was FreeBSD-friendly
which is a fairly big deal-breaker for me pjs: wallshot and honestly, I rarely need a new one on the fly.. mainly just for playing with something and I can use rackspace or ec2 for that.. I mainly would like to order a new instance from an image template ***: dabb has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: on-the-fly provisioning would be ARP Networks into the next generation playing field, where a lot of the competition is already. albeit they don't have FreeBSD, which is probably why I have a business model here... ;)
s/be/move/ ***: wallshot has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) jlgaddis: but is that somewhere you want to go?
i imagine maintenance, support requests, etc., would consume a lot more time up_the_irons: jlgaddis: i tend to focus on the features that touch the revenue line. having on-demand provisioning would certainly boost sales. but it may be too big of a bite to chew
so smaller things, like on-demand backups, may be a better focus -: jlgaddis nods ***: deppyz has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) mhoran: Ooh, backups. :) pjs: is it possible to see what host my VPS's are on? I'm running buildworld but dont want to run it on more than one on the same host.. friendly to my neighbors and what not :) jlgaddis: it's in the control panel somewhere, gimme a sec
log in, click on the vps, look for the vnc server, e.g. "VNC Server: kvr04.arpnetworks.com
Port: 6032", under out of band access pjs: jlgaddis cool, thx jlgaddis: kvr04 being the physical host, btw
np
remember that you're only using one core out of the physical box anyway
(i asked a similar question a week or two ago) ***: bGeorge has quit IRC (*.net *.split)
bGeorge has joined #arpnetworks pjs: hah, well it's all good.. they're all on diff hosts arenlor: up_the_irons: I've used lots of competition, main reason I stick with you is that you know what you're talking about. up_the_irons: arenlor: w00t, I need that quote on the website
;) arenlor: It's yours. up_the_irons: thanks! -: jpalmer starts playing with KVM jpalmer: up_the_irons: seperate database instances would probably be a bonus, too. if you ran a dedicated DB server, and let users get their rdbms systems off of their limited RAM installations, and into a beefy machine.. users who want to run DB driven sites or applications might be driven to your model. up_the_irons: jpalmer: oh, interesting. so like offer cloud-based database infrastructure just for vps customers
can't say i've heard anyone request that though jpalmer: yeah, something like that. for instance, lets say I want to run drupal in my vps.. I also need mysql or pgsql, which don't generally perform well in limited RAM
well, thats because most VPS's dont offer it, so people who need "higher demand" DB setups.. don't generally use VPS's up_the_irons: i c jpalmer: even a moderately busy CMS would be substantially impacted by having the webserver AND db system on a 768m host. arenlor: up_the_irons: Ever checked on the *min stuff? jpalmer: anyway, just an idea. if you've never had the request, I dunno if it'd be a marketable/profitable deal up_the_irons: OK, if anyone wants this, email support@arpnetworks.com. let's see what the demand is.
jpalmer: if it solves problems, i can make it profitable
dunno how many in my current / future customer base have this "problem", so we'll see
arenlor: *min stuff? arenlor: up_the_irons: Virtualmin, Cloudmin jpalmer: up_the_irons: depending on how much effort it'd be to make it so customers can control/maintain their own DB instances.. it may be worth a try. even if it doesn't market/sell well, you could always remove the service and turn the machine into another KVM host up_the_irons: jpalmer: yeah
arenlor: i have not arenlor: up_the_irons: It could solve some of the stuff. up_the_irons: arenlor: integrating those things nicely with the current Portal is always a challenge jpalmer: maybe it's time to REST-ify the portal :P -: jpalmer ducks arenlor: Time for me to run for a bit, bbl ***: arenlor has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) jpalmer: hah, I expected that line from garry after the REST comment :P up_the_irons: jpalmer: REST'ify the Portal is a challenge as well ;) jpalmer: I was mostly joking. I have no clue what that whole part of your infra looks like up_the_irons: well i like that idea anyway, b/c it leads to a way to offer an API jpalmer: I wonder though, if you could use something like puppet, and paramaterized classes. order comes in, DB entry gets made. it's served as ENC data to puppet, puppet provisions.. up_the_irons: that might be a possibility jpalmer: with a DB acting as ENC, that would also give users the ability to do things like specify their own ISO media for the cdrom.. switch between linux and BSD optimized settings, etc
s/would/could/ up_the_irons: there are issues with libvirt and persistency across reboots, but in theory that could work jpalmer: the author of theforman is working on a full integration of libvirt -: up_the_irons googles jpalmer: https://github.com/ohadlevy/virt up_the_irons: LOL, theforman uses Pledgie (I co-authored that site) jpalmer: err, I guess I wasn't clear.. integrating of libvirt/ruby up_the_irons: yeah jpalmer: yeah? I'm one of the people that've donated to theforeman using pledgie! up_the_irons: small small world jpalmer: btw, I don't think theforeman would help you much.. so I don't think I'd spend too much time looking at that particular project up_the_irons: roger jpalmer: hah!
watching a mythbusters episode on "bedliner" and.. it's pretty interesting ***: up_the_irons was kicked by heavysixer (up_the_irons)
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ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons jpalmer: I'm getting intrigued by KVM. I wanted to get certified for VMware, but I may just persue the RH virtualization cert instead. ***: up_the_irons sets mode: -o heavysixer jpalmer: op wars? up_the_irons: KVM is the open source future of virtualization. VMware is there for the corporate types that need that have no faith in anything unless a large corporation is charging them a lot of money
*and have heavysixer: up_the_irons: http://memegenerator.net/instance/11117356 up_the_irons: speaking of large corps, anyone following the occupy wall st. stuff? I'm finding it interesting...
heavysixer: shoulda been "Y U DEOP ME?" heavysixer: ha ha mhoran: up_the_irons: They're using our service to stream the occupations. We've got a few of the streams up in our office.
Plus it's happening right in town. Walked by the otherday. heavysixer: up_the_irons: there are several occupy campaigns on pledgie too up_the_irons: mhoran: oh yeah, which service?
heavysixer: cool, did they raise anything?
i heard the main one got $500K mhoran: up_the_irons: livestream.com up_the_irons: (but not on pledgie)
mhoran: nice heavysixer: up_the_irons: no but that marine who got hurt is a pledgie member too up_the_irons: heavysixer: scott olsen, no shit? heavysixer: up_the_irons: yup up_the_irons: SMALL world
heavysixer: can't find the account, which username? heavysixer: up_the_irons: http://pledgie.com/accounts/solsen230 jpalmer: myth confirmed. coating yur house in bedliner makes it bombproof! ***: arenlor has joined #arpnetworks heavysixer: jpalmer: unless they bomb the inside jpalmer: heavysixer: don't get technical! up_the_irons: heavysixer: too bad he didn't get any donations; wasn't aware he hated the marine corp ;) heavysixer: ha yeah apparently so up_the_irons: jpalmer: what if a mortor comes in through the roof? (I re-watched The Hurt Locker recently...) heavysixer: up_the_irons: look at RVM these days http://pledgie.com/campaigns/9822 up_the_irons: heavysixer: fucking hell
nice heavysixer: ha i know right
he's fee exempt too ;-) jpalmer: hrm, nobody donated to his pledgie. and ihatethemarinecorps.com is down. up_the_irons: heavysixer: LOL
dood I'll host that for free heavysixer: up_the_irons: http://pledgie.com/campaigns/13790
look at that one up_the_irons: apparently a Linode customer heavysixer: up_the_irons: he works for engineyard
weird right? jpalmer: hah http://pledgie.com/campaigns/9946 up_the_irons: heavysixer: who? -: jpalmer never realized pledgie was searchable heavysixer: Yamazaki-kun: wayne
errr up_the_irons wayne up_the_irons: jpalmer: yeah that's what i said b4, foreman uses pledgie :) heavysixer: everyone uses pledgie that's what i heard
haha up_the_irons: heavysixer: i musta missed something.. who's wayne?
heavysixer: LOL heavysixer: up_the_irons: wrote rvm
and sm up_the_irons: heavysixer: ah cool arenlor: ... May I ask what Pledgie is? heavysixer: arenlor: it's a crowd funding site arenlor: Is it restricted to anything like Kickstarter? heavysixer: arenlor: nope
it's the wild west :-)
just no blatant spam or hate campaigns.
up_the_irons: seem this? https://github.com/sm/sm up_the_irons: heavysixer: i think i saw it once; i'm not a fan of DSLs heavysixer: up_the_irons: DSLs are not a fan of you up_the_irons: Yet Another Language to Learn heavysixer: up_the_irons: it's perl :-) up_the_irons: YALL
haha heavysixer: YALL awesome
i'll have to remember that up_the_irons: heavysixer: right, and Capistrano is Ruby
but not arenlor: Oh no, careful with that word heavysixer: up_the_irons: http://memegenerator.net/instance/11117709 up_the_irons: oh no
LOL
nice heavysixer: this is the most i've participated in #arpnetworks ever
being de-opt'd makes me more approachable arenlor: I don't like being approachable lol. up_the_irons: and lately, me too mjp: 11:44 ::: asm2pizza [~adamm@c-71-232-132-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: g'bye] bdha
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Oh, probably a nicklist ***: mjp has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: mjp: :)
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