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[10:08] <RandalSchwartz> up_the_irons - not yet, other than backstage bar and grill for the great happy hour and this one particular bartender. :)
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[10:43] <toddf> finally used the map { } construct in perl. pure elegant ip address sorting. ;-)
[10:43] <RandalSchwartz> cool
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[12:14] <pjs> RandalSchwartz you move down to LA?
[12:29] <jpalmer> RandalSchwartz: you gotta try "the happy ending"   the sliders there are awesome.
[12:34] <jlgaddis-sjc> jpalmer: do you have the ability to check if a coupon code is still valid?
[12:34] <jpalmer> jlgaddis-sjc: at ARP?   nosir,  I have no access these days
[12:35] <jlgaddis-sjc> ahh, okie dokie
[12:35] <jlgaddis-sjc> thanks
[12:35] <jpalmer> up_the_irons wrote some code that..  replaced me :P  lol
[12:35] <jlgaddis-sjc> lol, that sucks
[12:35] <up_the_irons> LOL
[12:35] <up_the_irons> automate and delegate(tm)
[12:36] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis-sjc: what code?
[12:36] <jpalmer> nah,  I was only really handking DNS requests..  and only to help him out because I saw how much time he was spending on them.   so I handled them while he took that time to write the DNS code
[12:36] <jlgaddis-sjc> ""Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script."
[12:36] <jlgaddis-sjc> s/^"//
[12:36] <jpalmer> jlgaddis-sjc: hah  yep :P
[12:36] <up_the_irons> hah
[12:36] <jlgaddis-sjc> up_the_irons: "EVIL", i think... lemme check.
[12:37] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis-sjc: that is the 2nd month free one.  i can still do that, yeah
[12:37] <jpalmer> Luckily,  I wasn't replaced by a one-liner.  I'd be questioning my purpose for existance :P
[12:38] <jlgaddis-sjc> up_the_irons: cool, @tbourke is looking for a new vps provider, pref. on the west coast. figured i'd try to trick^Wconvince him to try arp.  =)
[12:38] <jpalmer> it is the season for trickery ;)
[12:41] <jlgaddis-sjc> heh, interestingly enough i keep finding out about other (former, now) coworkers who also signed up w/ arp.
[12:42] <up_the_irons> hah cool
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[12:43] <up_the_irons> that happened to a friend of mine in LA recently.  he said he found out a co-worker signed up a VPS and he didn't even tell him about ARP
[12:44] <jlgaddis-sjc> yeah, this one (scott woodall) read one of my posts a long time ago and signed up then, apparently
[12:45] <jlgaddis-sjc> and everyone i know seems to stick w/ you after the "probationary period" so i guess that says something =)
[12:46] <up_the_irons> haha yeah; ARP is sticky
[12:46] <up_the_irons> reliability ftw
[12:47] <jlgaddis-sjc> i usually pull up my uptime reports from pingdom... which says as of right now, 99.98% uptime in the last 365 days
[12:47] <jlgaddis-sjc> 2h7m37s downtime, most of which from when i went from freebsd to debian
[12:47] <up_the_irons> nice
[12:48] <up_the_irons> I don't wanna jinx anything, but here's one of my hosts:
[12:48] <up_the_irons> $ uptime
[12:48] <up_the_irons>  11:34:41 up 733 days, 20:33,  2 users,  load average: 1.45, 1.59, 1.52
[12:48] <up_the_irons> $
[12:48] * up_the_irons knocks on wood
[12:49] <up_the_irons> holy crap, that is 3 days longer than 2 years
[12:50] * mike-burns looks for old security holes.
[12:50] <jlgaddis-sjc> up_the_irons:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlgaddis/4340673033/in/photostream
[12:52] <up_the_irons> hah cool
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[14:13] <ifthen> My personal ruptime consistently runs 600 seconds. :)
[14:26] <b1k3ryd3r> lol
[14:26] <b1k3ryd3r> ruptime
[14:26] <b1k3ryd3r> ?
[14:29] <ifthen> It's a metaphor
[14:30] <b1k3ryd3r> yes, hence my '?'
[14:30] <b1k3ryd3r> I do not understand what your metaphor means
[14:30] <ifthen> It means I am dropped every 600 seconds of inactivity.
[14:31] <b1k3ryd3r> ah
[14:31] <b1k3ryd3r> rightio
[14:32] <ifthen> I know it's bsd or arp because a simultaneous connection to another isp holds up.
[14:33] <ifthen> web source suggested something about autologout setting in .cshrc
[14:34] <ifthen> last random web advice I followed got me locked out for a while.
[14:34] <ifthen> can't find the answer in the handbook either.
[14:35] <RandalSchwartz> dropped from what?
[14:35] <ifthen> from ssh login Randall, thanks
[14:35] <boba> there are some clientalive type settings you can play with in sshd_config
[14:35] <RandalSchwartz> that's likely a function of your shell
[14:35] <RandalSchwartz> man $yourshell :)
[14:36] <ifthen> boba i did look in ssh_config and it's not too promising.
[14:36] <RandalSchwartz> unless it's also killing you inside another app
[14:36] <b1k3ryd3r> ah it happens to me too, I just use screen and ssh back in.. I figure its just my internet tethering with my phone.. its bound to happen
[14:36] <boba> no, sshd_config
[14:36] <ifthen> boba my error but I looked there too.
[14:37] * RandalSchwartz waits for ifthen to notice his suggestions
[14:37] <ifthen> Randall what in the shell is it? Pun intended.
[14:37] <boba> i have ClientAliveInterval set to 60, ClientAliveCountMax set to 3
[14:38] <b1k3ryd3r> usually I find that as long as something is 'happening' in the shell it does not drop .. if it is an unattended shell they tend to drop very easy
[14:38] <RandalSchwartz> if that's a serious question, please elaborate
[14:38] <RandalSchwartz> start by answering which shell you are using.
[14:38] <ifthen> blk* so you're getting the same behavior as me?
[14:39] * RandalSchwartz wanders off
[14:39] <b1k3ryd3r> yes ifthen
[14:39] <boba> heh
[14:39] <ifthen> Randal I'm trying
[14:39] <b1k3ryd3r> ifthen: ignore it
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> not very well. :P(
[14:39] <b1k3ryd3r> unhelpful advice really
[14:39] <b1k3ryd3r> man bash
[14:39] <b1k3ryd3r> will not really help you
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> Simple.  Question.  What.  Shell. Are. You. Using.
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> b1k3ryd3r - we don't know if he's using bash
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> unless you know something from an earlier conversation
[14:40] <ifthen> Randall the stock csh on FreeBsd
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> I think the stock csh has a timeout
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> are you getting the word "logout" after 10 minutes?
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> as in, have you noticed what happens?
[14:40] <ifthen> RS no it just quits silently
[14:41] <ifthen> The screen dies and won't respond.
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> see if "autologout" is set
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> oh, you're in screen?
[14:41] <ifthen> I have to ssh in again.
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> then yes, that's likely a TCP problem
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> and yes, you can force ssh to keep sending traffic
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> are you behind a NAT firewall?
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> s/firewall// :)
[14:42] <RandalSchwartz> NAT might be timing out after 10 minutes
[14:42] <RandalSchwartz> so then you don't have a good connect
[14:42] <ifthen> RS I assume the time-warner modem is but still not problem with other SSH sites.
[14:42] <RandalSchwartz> maybe other sites continue to send more things
[14:42] <RandalSchwartz> and yes, see sshd_config then
[14:42] <pjs> unset autologout
[14:42] <RandalSchwartz> and possibly ssh_config
[14:42] <pjs> (if its a cshell)
[14:43] <ifthen> pjs it is a cshell and I don't think I have an autologout IIRC but will recheck
[14:43] <RandalSchwartz> echo "TCPKeepAlive yes" >>$HOME/.ssh/config # on your local box
[14:43] <RandalSchwartz> see if that fixes it
[14:43] <RandalSchwartz> the default is "yes" though
[14:44] <RandalSchwartz> I dunno.  I abhor the csh, so I don't use it anywhere
[14:44] <ifthen> RS my local box is a macbook but I will try.
[14:44] <pjs> ifthen I add 'unset autologout' to all my .tcshrc's.. by default it's enabled
[14:44] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, see if autologout is set
[14:45] <ifthen> OK I will check for a .autologout but I think I did already.
[14:45] <RandalSchwartz> not .autologout
[14:45] <ifthen> ok no dot
[14:45] <RandalSchwartz> it's a variable
[14:46] <RandalSchwartz> type "set" at your shell
[14:46] <RandalSchwartz> see if autologout is one of them
[14:46] <ifthen> ok I have tried env and not seen it
[14:46] <RandalSchwartz> not env
[14:46] <RandalSchwartz> "set"
[14:46] * RandalSchwartz rolls eyes
[14:46] <RandalSchwartz> IT'S NOT IN THE ENV.  IT'S A SHELL VAR.
[14:47] <RandalSchwartz> a bit new to this, eh? :)
[14:47] <ifthen> RS all right already
[14:47] <ifthen> How did you guess?
[14:47] <RandalSchwartz> we're not casual about what we're asking.  we're being precise.  please just listen to what we're typing
[14:47] <RandalSchwartz> don't hallucinate. :(
[14:47] <ifthen> Believe me I will be reading this log and thank you RS
[14:48] <ifthen> Going to check "set"
[14:49] <pjs> RandalSchwartz so you moved to LA recently or...?
[14:49] <pjs> (sorry if I missed your answer earlier)
[14:49] <RandalSchwartz> I just work in LA.
[14:49] <RandalSchwartz> I still live in Portland.
[14:49] <pjs> Gotcha
[14:50] <pjs> what part of town?
[14:50] <pjs> (work in LA that is)
[14:50] <RandalSchwartz> Culver City
[14:50] <ifthen> thanks pjs also.
[14:50] <RandalSchwartz> (mt) Media Temple :)
[14:51] <pjs> RandalSchwartz oh nice.. They wanted me to interview a while back.. not looking for work tho. Cool company for sure
[14:51] <pjs> ifthen sure thing
[14:51] <RandalSchwartz> Just a contractor here.
[14:51] <RandalSchwartz> moving them from svn to git
[14:53] <pjs> right on.. how long are you in town for?
[14:53] <RandalSchwartz> ongoing
[14:53] <pjs> cool.. I think there's a few LA guys here.. we should all meet for beers n such
[14:53] <RandalSchwartz> if you mean "for what specific range of days", see http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/dot-plan.txt
[14:53] <RandalSchwartz> there's a webcal link in there to be able to stalk me down to the hour. :)
[14:55] <pjs> hah, I'll stick with IRC ;)
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[18:59] <jpalmer> RandalSchwartz: I was in Portland a couple weeks ago for puppetconf
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[21:50] <RandalSchwartz> jpalmer - I was in portland over the weekend but otherwise not there
[21:50] <RandalSchwartz> my default location is Culver City now
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