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[01:04] <tzzkj> hiyooo
[01:04] <tzzkj> anyone around?
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[05:05] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: any ideas why a fresh/unmodified CentOS 6 install would have yum dumping core,  or exiting before it completes the run?   I'm only having the issue at arp..  and not with CentOS 5,  so I assume its something specific to this host
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[07:35] <phlux> So
[07:35] <phlux> everything over now?
[07:36] <mhoran> Seems it.
[07:40] <jpalmer> fwiw,  the people in #ipv6 last night were complaining about packet loss and high latency across the HE.net tunnel servers too.  so,  if ARP uses HE for ipv6 transit (not sure if they do)   it may be related.
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[11:16] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: yeah, I do use HE for native IPv6 (not tunnel though)
[11:16] <jpalmer> *nod*
[11:16] <jpalmer> seems like your IPv6 woes may have been at HE,  is what I was getting at ;)
[11:17] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: not sure about that CentOS 6 deal.  I do remember one dude having some problems, but no other reports.  but i wonder how many people are using 6 vs. 5
[11:17] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: yeah understood :)
[11:17] <jpalmer> I was hitting a few google searches about it.  and it sounds like it's some kinda buffer thing in older versions of KVM
[11:18] <up_the_irons> ah
[11:21] <jpalmer> most of the posts I saw,   said it was a RAM issue (not enough)  or a buffer issue.   I've run yum update on vps's with far less RAM than I have with ARP,  so..  I assume it's the other.
[11:30] <up_the_irons> i c
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[17:03] <sorressean> I have a quick question. I just recently joined and I was going to use pkg_add to add bsd packages, but I'm on bsd4.7; the earliest supported in the mirrors is 4.8-4.9. Is it ok to use 4.8-4.9 packages? CAn I easily upgrade to 4.9? Using OpenBSD.
[17:05] <nesta> sorressean: quick answer from top of my head is no
[17:06] <nesta> OpenBSD is very bitchy about that sort of thing
[17:06] <nesta> you should upgrade your kernel and world first
[17:06] <sorressean> Uh, why is arpnetworks still shipping 4.7? >.>
[17:06] <nesta> it all has to be synced on OpenBSD
[17:07] <sorressean> hmm? Your last comment lost me.
[17:07] <sorressean> o. nvm. I see what you're saying. How hard would it be to upgrade/convince support to get a newer image?
[17:08] <nesta> sorressean: just pop them an email, I am sure Garry will do it as soon as he sees the email
[17:08] * sorressean nods.
[17:08] <nesta> no idea why it is still shipping out 4.7, but its no biggie to change the disc
[17:09] <sorressean> Well, i just wanted to learn BSD. This isn't anything all that amazing really, I just needed a sandbox for learning it and Linode doesn't provide openbsd support.
[17:09] <nesta> sorressean: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#NoFun
[17:09] <jpalmer> sorressean: my observation is:  most people re-install the OS from the CD anyway.  so as nesta says,  I'd just email support@ and ask them to mount an image for whatever the latest version is
[17:09] <nesta> sorressean: FreeBSD can be a lot more forgiving with stuff like this
[17:10] <sorressean> nesta:  yeah. I know Open can be a lot more... irritating, I figured once I learned the ins and outs of openbsd I'd be pretty set. :p
[17:11] <nesta> to each their own.. I have used all the major BSD's at this point and I far prefer FreeBSD for many reasons
[17:11] <nesta> but as long as you're having fun, thats the main thing
[17:12] <sorressean> nesta:  like what? I'm not picking here, I'm just curious. I figured a stricter environment would be better to learn with. I have a decent Linux background, so i'm not totally lost.
[17:14] <sorressean> So I could get support to mount a disk and then reinstall through that? Is it possible to reinstall without using VNC? I'm blind, so VNC is kind of a no-go.
[17:15] <nesta> OpenBSD trumpets itself as 'uber secure' and a lot of people tend to hop on it for that but in my opinion FreeBSD is just as secure and can even be made more secure probably or at least _as_ secure.. this combined with the fact that the documentation is really good, its much more forgiving on new users, it has a multitude more packages to use and lots of other stuff I can't think of right now
[17:15] <nesta> just makes it more preferable to me..
[17:16] * sorressean nods. I kind of went for it for the security audits that all the packages go through.
[17:16] <sorressean> I'm really interested in learning more about all that, so I wanted to start with it, then get involved.
[17:17] <nesta> sorressean: yes, Garry will reset your vps back to its original state for you.. not sure if he will charge for the change of medium in this situation given that it is rather out of date :)
[17:17] <nesta> sorressean: well as I said the learning curve is much more forgiving with FreeBSD
[17:18] * sorressean nods.
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[19:18] <jlgaddis> i don't think he charges for changing cd media, though i could be wrong (he didn't charge me).
[19:19] <jlgaddis> glad to see openbsd finally quit claiming that it hadn't had any remote root holes in "x" years, though
[19:21] <nesta> indeed
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