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[01:25] <ifthen> Just worked through the example in the FreeBSD handbook on ports, adding lsof. It failed with this error:"Configure failed unexpectedly" "no kernel sources in /usr/source/sys OR /sys.
[01:28] <ifthen> What does it mean? I'll check back later.
[01:29] <jlgaddis> perhaps you don't have the kernel sources installed?
[01:29] <ifthen> ok what are they?
[01:29] <ifthen> good seeing you again.
[01:30] <jlgaddis> the source code for the kernel
[01:30] <ifthen> uh wouldn't they have to be there for bsd to run?
[01:30] <jlgaddis> not the source code, no
[01:30] <ifthen> oh it's compiled only?
[01:32] <jlgaddis> yeah, look at the upgrading freebsd chapter in the handbook
[01:32] <jlgaddis> it should walk you through how to install the sources
[01:32] <ifthen> am I missing some parts here?
[01:32] <jlgaddis> 04:40 < jlgaddis> the source code for the kernel
[01:33] <ifthen> so bsd can run without them?
[01:33] <jlgaddis> do windows machines need the source code in order to run windows?
[01:33] <ifthen> live and learn.
[01:34] <ifthen> they don't need the source to add programs.
[01:35] <ifthen> well I'll take your kind advice and read more in the man.
[01:35] <jlgaddis> you can install a pre-compiled binary version of lsof (if one exists) without the need for the source code
[01:36] <jlgaddis> "man pkgadd"
[01:36] <ifthen> I guess the handbook on ports assumes source is there.
[01:36] <jlgaddis> actually, here's an example specifically for lsof, straight from the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/packages-using.html
[01:37] <ifthen> yes I've been reading it but I wanted to try the ports example..I don't need the program.
[01:38] <jlgaddis> you might want to hang around in #freebsd. there's some freebsd users here but the channel is primarily for arp.
[01:39] <ifthen> yes, well I got my ass kicked over on #freebsd so I thought I'd see if this problem is peculiar to the arp bsd installation.
[01:40] <ifthen> and I appreciate your comments thanks
[01:41] <jlgaddis> if you just want to see how the process works, try installing something like wakeonlan
[01:41] <ifthen> "I want what your're smoking" is what I heard over there.
[01:41] <jlgaddis> simple, quick, and little or no requirements
[01:41] <jlgaddis> hah
[01:42] <ifthen> On something I know to be fact.
[01:46] <ifthen> re wakeonlan maybe I'll give it a try. do you use it?
[01:58] <ifthen> I'll check back tomorrow in case anyone else has a comment.
[01:58] <ifthen> nite jlgaddis
[01:58] <jlgaddis> no, but if you just want to see how ports are built, that's a good one to use
[01:58] <jlgaddis> later
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[08:18] <nestea> ifyes you need kernel sources to build lsof
[08:18] <nestea> its funny because I ran into this just the other day myself
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[11:33] <ifthen> Hey Nestea thanks for the corroboration. I'm worried about other ports when I can't get the textbook example to run. What did u do about it?
[11:36] <b1k3ryd3r> just csup'ed src
[11:37] <ifthen> thanks b1k...
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[11:39] <b1k3ryd3r> np
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[11:40] <ifthen> b1k* were you having problems with ports?
[11:42] <b1k3ryd3r> this is nestea :)
[11:42] <b1k3ryd3r> nah I just had the same lsof issue the other day
[11:42] <ifthen> oops
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[11:43] <ifthen> is nestea about tea?
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[11:44] <nestea> nah
[11:44] <nestea> everyone asks that t hough :P
[11:44] <ifthen> well give me a clue
[11:45] <nestea> its just a play on my old nick 'nesta'
[11:46] <ifthen> my interal grep is boken on nesta too
[11:46] <nestea> no worries
[11:47] <ifthen> well I guess I'll read up on csup and try that.
[11:49] <ifthen> On my username change problem it looks like the best route is to add a newuser with my preferred nick and delete the assigned one later.
[11:49] <nestea> whats your 'username change problem' ?
[11:50] <ifthen> want to change from assigned username to personal choice username.
[11:50] <nestea> add a user ?
[11:51] <ifthen> yes that seems to be the best way
[11:51] <ifthen> useradd or user add or add user in pw
[11:51] <nestea> you can just cp over any data in your current users directory and chown ir to your new user :)
[11:51] <nestea> adduser is probably the easiest
[11:52] <ifthen> I like the command line when it works
[11:53] <nestea> well then
[11:53] <nestea> man pw
[11:53] <nestea> :)
[11:53] <nestea> I prefer using pw myself
[11:53] <nestea> pw useradd ... etc
[11:53] <nestea> pw usermod ... etc
[11:55] <ifthen> I thought I could use usermod to swap pw's but that was a fantasy.
[11:57] <ifthen> well off to try things again. see you later.
[11:57] <nestea> enjoy
[11:59] <toddf> usermod -p works on OpenBSD but I suspect thats not what you're using
[11:59] <ifthen> toddf I'm using freebsd here 8.1?
[12:00] <ifthen> I notice it doesn't have vip
[12:00] <ifthen> vi password command
[12:00] <toddf> vipw ?
[12:01] <ifthen> oops
[12:01] <ifthen> but i did try vipw i think as i had the man in front of me
[12:02] <ifthen> whatever it is
[12:06] <ifthen> well back to that ever unfolding bsd man
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