ifthen: Just worked through the example in the FreeBSD handbook on ports, adding lsof. It failed with this error:"Configure failed unexpectedly" "no kernel sources in /usr/source/sys OR /sys.
   
 What does it mean? I'll check back later.
   jlgaddis: perhaps you don't have the kernel sources installed?
   ifthen: ok what are they?
   
 good seeing you again.
   jlgaddis: the source code for the kernel
   ifthen: uh wouldn't they have to be there for bsd to run?
   jlgaddis: not the source code, no
   ifthen: oh it's compiled only?
   jlgaddis: yeah, look at the upgrading freebsd chapter in the handbook
   
 it should walk you through how to install the sources
   ifthen: am I missing some parts here?
   jlgaddis: 04:40 < jlgaddis> the source code for the kernel
   ifthen: so bsd can run without them?
   jlgaddis: do windows machines need the source code in order to run windows?
   ifthen: live and learn.
   
 they don't need the source to add programs.
   
 well I'll take your kind advice and read more in the man.
   jlgaddis: you can install a pre-compiled binary version of lsof (if one exists) without the need for the source code
   
 "man pkgadd"
   ifthen: I guess the handbook on ports assumes source is there.
   jlgaddis: actually, here's an example specifically for lsof, straight from the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/packages-using.html
   ifthen: yes I've been reading it but I wanted to try the ports example..I don't need the program.
   jlgaddis: you might want to hang around in #freebsd. there's some freebsd users here but the channel is primarily for arp.
   ifthen: yes, well I got my ass kicked over on #freebsd so I thought I'd see if this problem is peculiar to the arp bsd installation.
   
 and I appreciate your comments thanks
   jlgaddis: if you just want to see how the process works, try installing something like wakeonlan
   ifthen: "I want what your're smoking" is what I heard over there.
   jlgaddis: simple, quick, and little or no requirements
   
 hah
   ifthen: On something I know to be fact.
   
 re wakeonlan maybe I'll give it a try. do you use it?
   
 I'll check back tomorrow in case anyone else has a comment.
   
 nite jlgaddis
   jlgaddis: no, but if you just want to see how ports are built, that's a good one to use
   
 later
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   nestea: ifyes you need kernel sources to build lsof
   
 its funny because I ran into this just the other day myself
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   ifthen: Hey Nestea thanks for the corroboration. I'm worried about other ports when I can't get the textbook example to run. What did u do about it?
   b1k3ryd3r: just csup'ed src
   ifthen: thanks b1k...
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   b1k3ryd3r: np
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   ifthen: b1k* were you having problems with ports?
   b1k3ryd3r: this is nestea :)
   
 nah I just had the same lsof issue the other day
   ifthen: oops
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   ifthen: is nestea about tea?
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   nestea: nah
   
 everyone asks that t hough :P
   ifthen: well give me a clue
   nestea: its just a play on my old nick 'nesta'
   ifthen: my interal grep is boken on nesta too
   nestea: no worries
   ifthen: well I guess I'll read up on csup and try that.
   
 On my username change problem it looks like the best route is to add a newuser with my preferred nick and delete the assigned one later.
   nestea: whats your 'username change problem' ?
   ifthen: want to change from assigned username to personal choice username.
   nestea: add a user ?
   ifthen: yes that seems to be the best way
   
 useradd or user add or add user in pw
   nestea: you can just cp over any data in your current users directory and chown ir to your new user :)
   
 adduser is probably the easiest
   ifthen: I like the command line when it works
   nestea: well then
   
 man pw
   
 :)
   
 I prefer using pw myself
   
 pw useradd ... etc
   
 pw usermod ... etc
   ifthen: I thought I could use usermod to swap pw's but that was a fantasy.
   
 well off to try things again. see you later.
   nestea: enjoy
   toddf: usermod -p works on OpenBSD but I suspect thats not what you're using
   ifthen: toddf I'm using freebsd here 8.1?
   
 I notice it doesn't have vip
   
 vi password command
   toddf: vipw ?
   ifthen: oops
   
 but i did try vipw i think as i had the man in front of me
   
 whatever it is
   
 well back to that ever unfolding bsd man
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