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| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: just read your ipv6 article, thanks for the plug :)
whoa, Dell bought Force 10? man I live in a hole | [01:31] |
| bob^^ | yeah :/
only happened on friday saw a presentation by force10 networks at a LINX meeting a while back, looked like interesting (and powerful) kit, quite cheap too however now dell are involved i suspect i'll leave them well alone | [01:35] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [01:41] |
| bob^^ | i like dell servers! | [01:42] |
| LT | seems to be a lot of consolidation going on in the swith/router markets lately, what with HP buying 3com, arruba buying nortel, juniper buying everyone, and now this | [01:46] |
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| toddf | is consolodation limited to switch/router markets? $bigguy has always bought $littleguy, just seems a lot more going on lately | [01:47] |
| bob^^ | LT: yeah - the interesting thing about the HP buyups is that they have huawei's network business in too i think
(if that actually went through in the end?) | [01:47] |
| G | huawei got brought by HP? | [01:48] |
| bob^^ | (i must admit i'm *not* a fan of 3com or HP switching gear anyway)
well huawei and 3com had a tieup and then HP came along and joined in by buying 3com H3C was the name of the huawei/3com venture | [01:48] |
| G | oh so only a part of Huawei, okay | [01:49] |
| bob^^ | yeah, only switching iirc
i also don't really know if the deal ever completed - there were issues because of the chinese government involvement in huawei | [01:49] |
| G | I try to avoid HP whereever possible | [01:50] |
| bob^^ | we buy a lot of HP wireless kit - but the *only* reason for that is that HP bought out the company we've always used
and they've actually left the products alone (just rebranded) so it's all still ok | [01:51] |
| G | I've had too many poor experiences w/ HP stuff | [01:51] |
| bob^^ | their switches have left me going 'GAAHAHHHHHHHhhhh!' on too many occassions
we bought a company a couple of years ago who used only HP kit thankfully now 90% replaced with cisco and extreme you should see the stack of HP switches of all sizes i have in the corner of my offiec - about 300 of them :) | [01:51] |
| G | and well, trying to debug an environment where HP have told sysadmins "Thou must install our special builds of kmod-x" really got tiring ;) | [01:52] |
| bob^^ | :/ | [01:53] |
| LT | I quite like HPs switching stuff as a cheap option for user facing ports | [01:53] |
| G | bob^^: especially when they forget to tell them that for issues w/ their special builds, you have to talk to them ;) | [01:54] |
| bob^^ | too unreliable
had too many PSU failures it's fair enough that they swap them straight away without question (lifetime warranty etc) but i'd rather they just didn't break in the first place | [01:54] |
| G | bob^^: 'too unreliable' = how unreliable? | [01:56] |
| LT | curious, not really seen that. has more extreme switches fail this year than HP so far. I guess maybe it depends on the model... I vaguely recall 4100 PSUs being a bit dodgy | [01:56] |
| bob^^ | well, we've got almost 3000 switches in our network of various types - the *vast* majority are cisco (easily 90% of them)
in five years, i've seen three cisco PSUs pop in two years of using this HP stuff (much newer than most of our cisco stuff i should add), i think we're up to 8 popped PSUs | [01:56] |
| G | ouch, that is bad-ish | [01:57] |
| bob^^ | maybe that's still not a bad average, but given HP makes up only a tiny amount of our network, and it's newer kit, i wouldn't expect it | [01:57] |
| LT | any particular model of HP that's doing that? or just a random mixture? | [01:58] |
| G | that said, I've found newer stuff to be more unreliable in just about everything | [01:58] |
| bob^^ | mostly 2650's iirc
and yeah, you are spot on there G - newer kit is often much less reliable, and it's almost always PSU | [01:59] |
| LT | ah... the original 2650s were a bit dodgy, but the B & C revisions seemed ok | [02:01] |
| bob^^ | what's the model 'after' the 2650 (slightly newer maybe? had a better spec)
we had a couple of those pop too ahh, 2810 those | [02:02] |
| LT | 2610 is the model after the 2650 (product numbering is not HPs strongpoint)... 2810 are some weird thing that has less features than a 2650 but gigabit ports | [02:04] |
| bob^^ | to be honest, the switches that we inherited were all wrongly specified we discovered
which is most of the reason we went around replacing them with cisco | [02:05] |
| LT | yeah, there's certainly a lot of cases I wouldn't use HP, but I really quite like the 2610s - they're quiet and not very deep which makes them ideal when you get stuck with a tiny wall mounted cab in an office | [02:07] |
| bob^^ | that is very true - the form factors of some of the HP kit is excellent for cases like that | [02:08] |
| G | bob^^: I wasn't talking about networking kit specificly, mass produced items as a whole | [02:14] |
| bob^^ | no no, you are spot on
i've had all sorts of stuff break more recently, again always PSU | [02:14] |
| G | TVs for instance, LCDs certainly don't last near as long as CRTs used to
costs too much to produce reliable items, easier to produce cheap, sometimes failing items and pay to fix the few that complain about said failures that said, what restrictions do HP put on their 'lifetime warranty'? | [02:15] |
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| LT | you're meant to be the original purchaser, but I'm not even sure they check that
not entirely sure what happens when something breaks that's no longer produced and they have no spares. the sales people tell us that if that happens you get an equivalent newer model, but whether that's true | [02:21] |
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| bob^^ | yeah, it's just that you're meant to be the original owner but they've never asked us for anything to prove that
you just go 'it won't power up' and after checking you've plugged in the mains cable and it's on at the wall they ship you a new one :) | [02:40] |
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| G | bob^^: but I'd imagine they'd realize that the 'Ship To:' addresses are the same | [03:29] |
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| bob^^ | G: in the UK you can't buy direct from HP,
only through a distributor - so HP don't really know the address :) | [03:53] |
| G | bob^^: ahhh clever :)
for some reason I hadn't considered that | [03:54] |
| bob^^ | first time you call they make you fill in the registration card (by phone, obviously)
so i guess if it had already been replaced by a previous owner you might be outta luck ;) | [03:55] |
| G | yeah, I'd imagine that is true | [03:55] |
| LT | you actually can buy from HP, but it's a separate bit of HP to the one that actually makes the products - tis very confusing. they're pretty pricey for individual units, but they know how to fiddle the discounts if you're buying pallet loads | [04:00] |
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| bob^^ | ;)ahh
-;) we use c2000 | [04:04] |
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| G | LT: 100% discount for 1 pallet to New Zealand? ;) | [04:20] |
| LT | probably only if you convince them cisco is giving a 99% discount on the same
HP network solutions group is the bit that actually sells stuff | [04:24] |
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| jlgaddis | ugh
you said HP | [05:17] |
| LT | they started it! | [05:19] |
| G | jlgaddis: don't worry, that's my reaction too, especially to anything consumer | [05:19] |
| bob^^ | :) | [05:19] |
| G | returning a laptop the day after I brought it because it was faulty out the box, and support didn't care, was the last straw | [05:21] |
| jlgaddis | i don't use any of their consumer stuff | [05:27] |
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| jpalmer | HP servers are great. but thats quite different than the consumer line. | [06:22] |
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| Olipro | are there any plans for ARP Networks to offer their 768MB VPS on a yearly basis with something knocked off for the upfront payment? | [18:05] |
| jpalmer | there already is, one sec
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance | [18:05] |
| Olipro | is it Xen or KVM? | [18:08] |
| jpalmer | KVM
are you not a customer? dmesg answers that question.. | [18:10] |
| Olipro | no, I'm, not, but I'm interested | [18:11] |
| jpalmer | ahh, gotcha | [18:11] |
| Olipro | well, *anything* with native IPv6 interests me ;)
buuuut, not sure if I'll bite at the $20 for 768MB I do have a KVM at the moment with 768MB, but no native IPv6 I'm happy to shell out for a year's worth if a tasty deal comes along | [18:11] |
| jpalmer | the price is great, and you won't get some of the performance at linode and similar. I've never seen a VPS provider give the disk I/O I see at ARP. | [18:13] |
| Olipro | what about rDNS delegation? | [18:15] |
| jpalmer | I have vps's with multiple providers. ARP is the only one where I sit in their channel, and offer help. heh
if you need support, ARP probably isn't your best choice. for everything else though, they are hard to beat. | [18:15] |
| Olipro | no, don't need support
do/can you get the v4 and v6 RDNS delegated to your own nameservers? | [18:15] |
| jpalmer | yes | [18:16] |
| Olipro | what about bandwidth consumed by using VNC?
(as in, the QEMU VNC running on the host) | [18:17] |
| up_the_irons | good question, bandwidth consumed by VNC is not counted towards your quota (b/c the endpoint IP is not one of yours) | [18:21] |
| Olipro | yeah, I mention it because I've found VNC on KVM to be horrible
use it for half an hour and you'll chew through plenty | [18:22] |
| up_the_irons | hah | [18:26] |
| Olipro | ok, final question is... how many CPUs will you see on the 768MB plan
(cores) | [18:33] |
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| up_the_irons | Olipro: 1
i really need to add that to the Powerups, so people know (i get that question a lot...) | [18:43] |
| Olipro | what processor is it, what frequency and if possible... how many would i roughly be sharing with?
I know, I know, I promised last question, but if it's only 1 core, architecture matters, baby | [18:44] |
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