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nesta has joined #arpnetworks lteo: i submitted a question via arpnetworks.com's contact page about 2 days ago but haven't heard back; should i send an email somewhere instead? reardencode: I am in no way an authority, but up_the_irons should get back to you within 48 hours, if not, it's worth emailing support@ up_the_irons: lteo: two days ago? i should have replied by now, you may want to send it again lteo: up_the_irons: ok, i will try to remember my original question ;) up_the_irons: sorry about that lteo: up_the_irons: np
up_the_irons: ok, just submitted again up_the_irons: lteo: roger that, tnx RandalSchwartz: if you can't remember the question, it might not have been important. :) galador: Fetching 1892 patches....
Someone hasn't portsnap'd in a while :( RandalSchwartz: snap snap snap
I need to get my boxes on 8.2
I have 4 boxes on 8.1, and 1 on 8.2
I think the upgrade is pretty easy
no ABI incompats, right? nesta: do you upgrade from source? RandalSchwartz: 9.x will be worse
I use freebsd-update galador: I upgraded this one fresh using `freebsd-update`, and it was really easy
/fast RandalSchwartz: did you have ZFS on root?
that's the only monkeywrench galador: No :( RandalSchwartz: I seem to recall rehearsing it in a VM, and it worked fine
unlike 8.0 to 8.1, which required copying gptzfsboot again
or whatever that's called
oh right, thats' what I'm doing tomorrow morning :) galador: Perhaps this is a noobish question, but would it be of benefit to someone to use ZFS is they aren't using something like RAID-Z (say, single drive ~250GB) RandalSchwartz: snapshots
and full integrity
you never get a block that was written bad
of course, without raid, you can't get a good block :( nesta: galador: I doubt any noobs need ZFS :) RandalSchwartz: but at least you never get a bad block
actually, even on a single drive, you can say "copies=2" for critical filesystems
and hope that at least one of two copies is better
also - zfs can create/destroy volumes even while the system is up, and put reserves and quotas on any of them
not sure if any other FS can do that galador: Hmm, well I ask because I actually don't know all that much about ZFS. :P RandalSchwartz: really sad that the GPL prevents ZFS from being native in the linux kernel galador: @ nesta RandalSchwartz: so they had to invent btrfs mercutio: randal: copies=3 is safer
thing is you don't need to have all your data with that RandalSchwartz: by that rule, copies=100 would be even safer
not sure why you'd need more than copies=2
is google down?
I'm getting "invalid URL"
oh weird. only locally ***: HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) mercutio: Randal: You don't know where in the disk the copy is going to fall
Randal: GPL is a bad license anyway.
It's made to be incompatible
Fortunately a few people are realising this and pushing BSD licensed stuff around.
So in due time Linux will be like Microsoft. And BSD will be like BSD. ***: hsbt has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit)
hsbt has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: listen to my most recent floss weekly for my point on that
twit.tv/floss
you can skip to about 55 minutes in ***: nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks
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HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: interesting randal ***: HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) pilgrimd: RandalSchwartz: I've run into that myself--where someone refused a solution simply because of the forced-openness issue with integrating GPLed work. ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks