[00:40] *** EhtyarWRK has quit IRC (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.) 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[14:36] I am in no way an authority, but up_the_irons should get back to you within 48 hours, if not, it's worth emailing support@ [14:37] lteo: two days ago? i should have replied by now, you may want to send it again [14:38] up_the_irons: ok, i will try to remember my original question ;) [14:38] sorry about that [14:39] up_the_irons: np [14:42] up_the_irons: ok, just submitted again [14:42] lteo: roger that, tnx [16:11] if you can't remember the question, it might not have been important. :) [16:20] Fetching 1892 patches.... [16:20] Someone hasn't portsnap'd in a while :( [16:20] snap snap snap [16:21] I need to get my boxes on 8.2 [16:21] I have 4 boxes on 8.1, and 1 on 8.2 [16:21] I think the upgrade is pretty easy [16:21] no ABI incompats, right? [16:21] do you upgrade from source? [16:21] 9.x will be worse [16:21] I use freebsd-update [16:21] I upgraded this one fresh using `freebsd-update`, and it was really easy [16:22] /fast [16:22] did you have ZFS on root? [16:22] that's the only monkeywrench [16:22] No :( [16:22] I seem to recall rehearsing it in a VM, and it worked fine [16:23] unlike 8.0 to 8.1, which required copying gptzfsboot again [16:23] or whatever that's called [16:23] oh right, thats' what I'm doing tomorrow morning :) [16:24] Perhaps this is a noobish question, but would it be of benefit to someone to use ZFS is they aren't using something like RAID-Z (say, single drive ~250GB) [16:24] snapshots [16:25] and full integrity [16:25] you never get a block that was written bad [16:25] of course, without raid, you can't get a good block :( [16:25] galador: I doubt any noobs need ZFS :) [16:25] but at least you never get a bad block [16:26] actually, even on a single drive, you can say "copies=2" for critical filesystems [16:26] and hope that at least one of two copies is better [16:29] also - zfs can create/destroy volumes even while the system is up, and put reserves and quotas on any of them [16:29] not sure if any other FS can do that [16:30] Hmm, well I ask because I actually don't know all that much about ZFS. :P [16:30] really sad that the GPL prevents ZFS from being native in the linux kernel [16:30] @ nesta [16:30] so they had to invent btrfs [17:18] randal: copies=3 is safer [17:18] thing is you don't need to have all your data with that [17:27] by that rule, copies=100 would be even safer [17:27] not sure why you'd need more than copies=2 [17:53] is google down? [17:53] I'm getting "invalid URL" [17:53] oh weird. only locally [18:17] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:42] Randal: You don't know where in the disk the copy is going to fall [19:42] Randal: GPL is a bad license anyway. [19:42] It's made to be incompatible [19:42] Fortunately a few people are realising this and pushing BSD licensed stuff around. [19:43] So in due time Linux will be like Microsoft. And BSD will be like BSD. [19:51] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit) [19:52] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [19:55] listen to my most recent floss weekly for my point on that [19:55] twit.tv/floss [19:55] you can skip to about 55 minutes in [20:01] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:02] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [20:17] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [23:28] interesting randal [23:31] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [23:37] RandalSchwartz: I've run into that myself--where someone refused a solution simply because of the forced-openness issue with integrating GPLed work. [23:46] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks