#arpnetworks 2011-06-24,Fri

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lteoi submitted a question via arpnetworks.com's contact page about 2 days ago but haven't heard back; should i send an email somewhere instead? [14:26]
reardencodeI am in no way an authority, but up_the_irons should get back to you within 48 hours, if not, it's worth emailing support@ [14:36]
up_the_ironslteo: two days ago? i should have replied by now, you may want to send it again [14:37]
lteoup_the_irons: ok, i will try to remember my original question ;) [14:38]
up_the_ironssorry about that [14:38]
lteoup_the_irons: np
up_the_irons: ok, just submitted again
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up_the_ironslteo: roger that, tnx [14:42]
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RandalSchwartzif you can't remember the question, it might not have been important. :) [16:11]
galadorFetching 1892 patches....
Someone hasn't portsnap'd in a while :(
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RandalSchwartzsnap snap snap
I need to get my boxes on 8.2
I have 4 boxes on 8.1, and 1 on 8.2
I think the upgrade is pretty easy
no ABI incompats, right?
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nestado you upgrade from source? [16:21]
RandalSchwartz9.x will be worse
I use freebsd-update
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galadorI upgraded this one fresh using `freebsd-update`, and it was really easy
/fast
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RandalSchwartzdid you have ZFS on root?
that's the only monkeywrench
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galadorNo :( [16:22]
RandalSchwartzI seem to recall rehearsing it in a VM, and it worked fine
unlike 8.0 to 8.1, which required copying gptzfsboot again
or whatever that's called
oh right, thats' what I'm doing tomorrow morning :)
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galadorPerhaps this is a noobish question, but would it be of benefit to someone to use ZFS is they aren't using something like RAID-Z (say, single drive ~250GB) [16:24]
RandalSchwartzsnapshots
and full integrity
you never get a block that was written bad
of course, without raid, you can't get a good block :(
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nestagalador: I doubt any noobs need ZFS :) [16:25]
RandalSchwartzbut at least you never get a bad block
actually, even on a single drive, you can say "copies=2" for critical filesystems
and hope that at least one of two copies is better
also - zfs can create/destroy volumes even while the system is up, and put reserves and quotas on any of them
not sure if any other FS can do that
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galadorHmm, well I ask because I actually don't know all that much about ZFS. :P [16:30]
RandalSchwartzreally sad that the GPL prevents ZFS from being native in the linux kernel [16:30]
galador@ nesta [16:30]
RandalSchwartzso they had to invent btrfs [16:30]
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mercutiorandal: copies=3 is safer
thing is you don't need to have all your data with that
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RandalSchwartzby that rule, copies=100 would be even safer
not sure why you'd need more than copies=2
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is google down?
I'm getting "invalid URL"
oh weird. only locally
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mercutioRandal: You don't know where in the disk the copy is going to fall
Randal: GPL is a bad license anyway.
It's made to be incompatible
Fortunately a few people are realising this and pushing BSD licensed stuff around.
So in due time Linux will be like Microsoft. And BSD will be like BSD.
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RandalSchwartzlisten to my most recent floss weekly for my point on that
twit.tv/floss
you can skip to about 55 minutes in
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mercutiointeresting randal [23:28]
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pilgrimdRandalSchwartz: I've run into that myself--where someone refused a solution simply because of the forced-openness issue with integrating GPLed work. [23:37]
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