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| up_the_irons | sekret beta: http://arpnetworks.com/comps/arp/index.html
(new homepage) just a comp, links don't work interested to see what u guys think (while I like my current site, i have to get into the modern age and put some polish on it) | [18:21] |
| toddf | maybe make the AS25795 a link to your AS list
er peer list | [18:25] |
| up_the_irons | ah yeah, was gonna do that | [18:26] |
| toddf | 'IPv6 block (/48)' -> '/48 IPv6 block per customer for sharing between all VPS's' (probably too wordy but feel free to leave what you have too
you do no filtering (beyond ssh sanity that nobody ever notices) unlike lots of others | [18:26] |
| jazz57 | Looks nice! | [18:28] |
| toddf | I miss the explicit mention of FreeBSD and OpenBSD under 'Operating Systems'
but yeah in general it looks slick | [18:29] |
| jazz57 | 'SRSLY' seems out of place.
I would write it out. | [18:31] |
| toddf | but it shows he's got a good sense of humor! | [18:32] |
| jazz57 | And yes, play up the FreeBSD/OpenBSD options since those are somewhat unique.
Toddf: True. | [18:32] |
| toddf | need 'meta name="keywords" content="vps, hosting, OpenBSD, FreeBDS, Linux, IPv6, console,...."' tags | [18:35] |
| vcs | who else offers OpenBSD and IPv6... :)
no names pop to my head | [18:41] |
| jazz57 | Exactly. | [18:41] |
| pilgrimd | rootbsd | [18:42] |
| toddf | how about serial console? | [18:42] |
| pilgrimd | Though technically their IPv6 is still in testing phase and currently only in one of their DC.
*DCs. | [18:42] |
| up_the_irons | but rootbsd is like twice as expensive, no? | [18:45] |
| pilgrimd | They have the same VNC-to-root-console thing as ARPN, tbh I can't recall if they have ssh-over-serial or not. | [18:45] |
| toddf | http://rootbsd.org/virtual-hosting/
slightly different packages but roughly twice as expensive depending on what one is after | [18:45] |
| pilgrimd | Almost to the cent, yes, but more bandwidth and backup service.
(and twice as much disk) | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | more bandwidth, really? | [18:46] |
| toddf | depends on which package, the $60 packages are equivalent in disk | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | i can match anyone on bandwidth
in fact i can BEAT anyone on bandwidth cuz i run my own freakin' network | [18:47] |
| toddf | it depends on how you compare the packages
their entry is basically $20 and has 125gb bandwidth your $20 has 400gb bandwidth however if you compare 'smallest package' theirs is $20 (twice yours) for 125gb bandwidth and yours is 100gb bandwidth at $10 so its hard to make clearcut statements when comparing apples to oranges | [18:47] |
| up_the_irons | i c
i still have a bigger irc channel ;) | [18:49] |
| pilgrimd | toddf: I was comparing on the basis of RAM and disk. | [18:49] |
| toddf | your $60 package has double the ram they do, same disk, slightly less bandwidth .. its not a straightforward comparison | [18:49] |
| jazz57 | jazz57 loves the IRC channel.
Where else can you go and chat directly with the owner about the particulars of the service. :-) | [18:51] |
| pilgrimd | If all I wanted was two VPSes, I'd have to ARPN VPSes, so I look at the higher cost for a RootBSD VPS as paying for the geodiversity. | [18:53] |
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| toddf | I will miss the 'extras' listing. given you know the math, you might even be able to make a slick 'build your own vps' toolbar | [18:53] |
| jazz57 | toddf: An a la carte capability? | [18:55] |
| toddf | randalschwartz has a 'zfs send | zfs recv' style mirror remotely for a business resumption plan of sorts
jazz57: http://arpnetworks.com/vps look under 'extras' you can do the math today I guess it is more a la carte | [18:55] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: the extras will still be there, it's just on a different page (not there yet). the page i posted above will actually become my homepage, then the dedicated "VPS" page will have more stuff like "extras", the FreeBSD/OpenBSD special, etc... | [18:55] |
| toddf | however I've been to sites that are only a la carte
so I would have to twiddle the dials a bit to get an idea for the price spread on various combinations the chart by default is way useful even if a la carte is available as well | [18:55] |
| jazz57 | That might be good b/c some folks will only look at the packaged plans, decide that the price isn't right for their combo of requirements, and not bother to add up a la carte services. | [18:57] |
| toddf | if done right a la carte could just be one more line in the chart | [18:58] |
| jazz57 | Yeah.
When I signed up I didn't pay much attention to the 'extras' section I have to admit. | [18:58] |
| toddf | I've looked it over quite a bit. as things are priced now .. I'm considering upgrading to a $20 for the mem even though I don't need the additional disk or bandwidth (yet). but thats another 'feature' that is _drool_. control panel a la carte upgrade requests. so we can dwiddle at what we want and it sends support@ a request if we decide to go for it.
no need to negotiate, just .. twiddle the knobs, agree with the price, press request, and know that the typical maintence will mean roughly less than 24hrs later on average request will be done. | [19:00] |
| up_the_irons | the thing that is hard about a la carte is that people could pick a disk size that i don't have templates for. BUT, i guess I could always say, "a la carte VPS' come with a blank disk and you are responsible for your own OS install". I mean, it's better than nothing ;) | [19:02] |
| jazz57 | I'll bet that would scare people off though. | [19:02] |
| toddf | if they pick a disk size you don't have a template for, letting them know they'd be responsible for making additional space available by growing the next lower sized template | [19:03] |
| up_the_irons | i think that is how elastichost does it though
toddf: oh that's an interesting idea too; but i would think that may even be scarier than an OS install. most people don't know how to resize partitions and filesystems, but they install an OS | [19:03] |
| vcs | gary yeah but then you would also have increased support tickets of people who can't figure out how to install OpenBSD :P | [19:04] |
| toddf | yeah, *blush* I advised someone to run fdisk -yi on his system, and it siezed and he couldn't get access to the vnc console to boot off the cd here. painful memory. ;-) | [19:04] |
| up_the_irons | vcs: as opposed to people that don't know how to resize their shit? ;) | [19:05] |
| vcs | lol | [19:05] |
| toddf | maybe the template (at least in openbsd) could be scripted for the resize to some degree. | [19:05] |
| up_the_irons | does *anyone* have an automated a la carte system with OS install for FreeBSD / OpenBSD anyway? I don't think so
that's why no one does it ;) | [19:05] |
| vcs | i dont think so.
i think probobly for linux but i doubt bsd lol | [19:06] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: the thing is, i have to do it for every OS. so i'd need to figure it out for FreeBSD and Linux too | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | how do you grow a ZFS? | [19:07] |
| up_the_irons | vcs: they have it for linux, yeah | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have that exactly problem. Neil wants to buy more disk | [19:07] |
| toddf | elastichosts has templates for debian, ubuntu, and windows .. plus install cd's available for other os's .. | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | they don't have the dvd for freebsd
just the install cd so you can't build zfs on root I had to work it out with them | [19:07] |
| toddf | randalschwartz: you can't grow zfs? | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | toddf - I don't know if I can or not | [19:07] |
| toddf | randalschwartz: I thought you could add another disk and grow onto it? | [19:08] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: but can elastichosts templates resize automatically to whatever u order? | [19:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - I mean just magically make the disk bigger and have it see that
I don't want two mounts | [19:08] |
| toddf | randalschwartz: does it really matter? it might even go faster with two disk interfaces instead of one
you can extend zfs onto random disk sizes I thought I was told | [19:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | in a VPS? :)
you can pool multiple disks in a pool yes but you can't ever remove any of them then since the data might be anywhere in that pool | [19:09] |
| vcs | problem is what OS besides solaris supports ZFS / | [19:09] |
| toddf | what's the difference between a vps and a real pc? ask for a 2nd disk of X gb and extend zfs onto it, presto, more disk | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | vcs - freebsd
and reasonably well | [19:09] |
| vcs | RandalSchwartz: with user level drivers?
or kernel | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - kernel | [19:10] |
| vcs | oh, nice. | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | thanks to a compatible license :) | [19:10] |
| vcs | thats slick | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes. I have 4 VPS here that boot from / on ZFS | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | vcs: yeah ZFS works pretty good on FreeBSD i've been told | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | snapshots -r every 10 minutes | [19:10] |
| vcs | im jelly. | [19:10] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: from my reading they provide templates for the listed os's and install cd's for the other, so you get to handle the install and os supported resize as far as I can tell | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: roger | [19:11] |
| toddf | randalschwartz: too bad it would take so much to do root on zfs inside qemu for testing, easy to grow a raw disk there .. ;-)
randalschwartz: maybe you could get special permission from arp to clone your vps for the purpose of testing the growing of the single disk .. wouldn't need network, just console access *wink* | [19:11] |
| vcs | who would complain about a ZFS by default root?
:) | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - I don't even know what commands I would type to do that.
I think it's the kind of thing that everyone just knows so nobody writes it up. :) | [19:14] |
| toddf | so if you want more disk space why is it bad to grow onto a 2nd disk vs enlarging existing disk?
obviously not everyone ;-) | [19:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think the way it's normally done is to mirror onto a second larger disk
oh - this is promising - http://lildude.co.uk/growing-a-zfs-root-pool | [19:16] |
| toddf | I just recall someone telling me zfs was cool because you could add disks to an array of disks w/out consideration to size and it would just use them all | [19:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - not sure arp lets me have multiple media | [19:17] |
| toddf | its been stated before it is possible, and actually would be an easy 'more disk' option in the control panel, though I don't know if it's actually been served or not | [19:19] |
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