up_the_irons: jlgaddis: bitcoins? Novae: up_the_irons: http://www.bitcoin.org/ up_the_irons: not reachable? ***: LT has joined #arpnetworks Novae: really? works fine from here.
essentially bitcoins are a "P2P" curreny with no central governing body. ***: ariel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
ariel has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: oh nice ***: Novae has left
Novae has joined #arpnetworks G: not keen on bitcoin tbh ***: hien has joined #arpnetworks
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LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) dxtr: G: I guess it's good for buying questionably legal stuff
:D RandalSchwartz: well - that's the problem if it's all it's used for
just like people think torrents in general are bad because they *can* be used for bad stuff ***: HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) toddf: having a currency not in control of any government sounds good, so long as the underlying principals are generally uncorruptable. I'd welcome stable prices vs constantly fluctuating prices. hate to tell clients 'because of inflation, you now must pay me more'
even if it in essence means 'paying same value, just bigger numbers' .. not looking forward to when arp must go that route .. ;-) reardencode: There's some guy who will accept bitcoin and sell you amazon.com giftcards
can't seem to find the site at the moment toddf: in what currency? ;-) reardencode: http://spendbitcoins.com/
USD afaik, he uses the 24hr mtgox (largest exchange) exchange rate RandalSchwartz: in theory, having a currency not in control of any government might sound good, until you realize that means every government will wonder "hey, why aren't you trusting us" and consider you a criminal by default. toddf: thats the 'worst case' scenario RandalSchwartz: no - it's the "very likely case" scenario toddf: if everyone were using it there would be no choice reardencode: yeah, it's going to be interesting as the feds start to crack down RandalSchwartz: we're in a world where having more than 3 oz of liquid makes us a terrorist
and not everyone will use it
just the criminals :) toddf: I'm surprised nursing mothers are permitted to travel in that world RandalSchwartz: right - there are all sorts of exceptions that make the rules ludicris
which proves even further that we're all messed up already
and bitcoin isn't going to get any fairer treatment reardencode: the feds have arrested plenty of people for running alternative currencies int he past RandalSchwartz: remember when they started talking about charging sales tax for Linden-Dollars transactions that were entirely in-game reardencode: see e-gold
libertydollar etc. RandalSchwartz: I don't recall what came of that, but that's how the People In Charge think and act. toddf: until some large enough group of people elects to convince them otherwise. RandalSchwartz: they'll probably do things like "ok, you can use bitcoins, but in areas that collect sales tax, you'll be required to post the right tax"
and then send you to jail for violating that law mike-burns: It makes sense that they'll still want to collect taxes. toddf: I don't have sales tax on my services. I don't sell hardware. no problem for me.
I didn't note sales tax on ARP's invoices. RandalSchwartz: there's sales tax even for services in florida.
it's crazy out there.
and don't imagine california is too far behind with the budget crisis ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: HighJinx: what is a really good SSD if money doesn't matter? HighJinx: up_the_irons any of the sandforce based ones, the intel x-25's up_the_irons: HighJinx: roger, tnx HighJinx: umm, some of the ocz's
yupper up_the_irons: HighJinx: shit, they're all out of stock on newegg HighJinx: really? no shit.... tigerdirect is pretty comperable up_the_irons: HighJinx: ah cool
HighJinx: what do you think about the ocz vertex 3? HighJinx: they are nice, quite fast for thier price
up_the_irons ^ up_the_irons: HighJinx: ah cool
HighJinx: i ended up buying the ocz agility 2, b/c it is a bit older (firmware bugs fixed) and still had blazing fast reviews HighJinx: ooh the agility2's are also great up_the_irons: sweet JuniperJaxx: w/in 6
soeifjskdfw toddf: looks like you need http://todd.fries.net/pub/lose.pl up_the_irons: LOL nice ***: jazz57 has joined #arpnetworks jazz57: up_the_irons: Any idea what is going on with routing to google? It takes like 150ms just to get to any2ix. up_the_irons: no clue jazz57: Looked good from PacketExchange lookiing glass before they took down the site.
Too bad I can't see the reverse route.
Maybe Express Peering is sending the traffic through London. Very similar pings to UK. up_the_irons: jazz57: any way I could help you see the reverse route? jazz57: I think we need to get a traceroute from google to diagnose it.
I don't think they have a looking glass. vcs: yet im getting the same ping times as well :P
yep* ***: JuniperJaxx has quit IRC (Changing host)
JuniperJaxx has joined #arpnetworks jazz57: vcs: PacketExchange used to have a traceroute and that had reasonable times when I checked. Unfortunately, that's gone now that gtt has taken over.
up_the_irons: Was hoping you had diagnostic powers that mere mortal users don't. vcs: yeah lol it goes from like
8ms
to 150 in one hop
from texas time is 30ms~ jazz57: From my home it's 30ms also.
(In Palm Springs, CA) vcs: ahh jazz57: It takes like 20ms on my cable connection just to get to LA, so that's about right if google in in the bay area.
And 13ms from my Irvine server.
So, yeah, google is seeing an advertised route to ARP that's suboptimal. vcs: yep
maybe the chinese decided to take it again
wait 15 minutes will be fixed
:P jazz57: They're analyzing our search traffic. vcs: hehe jazz57: vcs: It's been like this for at least a couple of weeks. vcs: yeah thats not the chinese then ***: NeoGeo has joined #arpnetworks
NeoGeo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) jazz57: Hmm... Here's my trace: http://pastie.org/2069372
Notice AS10026. If that's accurate, then we're routing through Asia somehow. up_the_irons: what in the hell
that is fucked
jazz57: you may notice it is fixed now; i shutdown my PacketExchange eXpress Peering neighbors jazz57: Let me try. up_the_irons: that's one of the problems with peering blindly on a peering exchange; i need to instead select who gets my routes manually, but <sigh...> i don't have the time
guess i'll leave those shutdown if PE can't get their shit right jazz57: up_the_irons: That's more like it.
http://pastie.org/2069418
Under 10ms now. up_the_irons: nice jazz57: Very nice. Love it. :-) up_the_irons: :) jazz57: up_the_irons: Are those automatic route optimizers like Internap FCP worth it? up_the_irons: jazz57: i really haven't looked into them much; i usually think "meh" jazz57: While I'm at it: Have you tried peering directly with google. According to their peeringdb entry they have "a liberal peering policy." up_the_irons: LOL
jazz57: yes i have and they gave me the finger
;)
jazz57: although i've grown a lot since then, perhaps i should try again
they weren't impressed with my traffic levels before jazz57: How nice of them.
They have a policy for those with "less than 100Mbps traffic" up_the_irons: really? they didn't before... jazz57: https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=433 ***: jazz57 has left
jazz57 has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: yeah, "Peers in North America or Western Europe with less than 100Mbps peak of Google traffic may peer via route servers at participating IXes", but I don't see their AS advertising routes on Any2 IX
either way, i should email them jazz57: It's worth a shot. (As long as you don't mind the potential finger pointing again.) up_the_irons: haha jazz57: It would be cool to have all the major search engines peeing directly with ARP.
Bing. Check.
Yahoo. Check. up_the_irons: hehe yeah
i peer with yahoo jazz57: And microsoft.
So you've got two out of three already. up_the_irons: i peer with M$?
didn't know that (like, I could get their routes via a route server w/o knowing it) jazz57: I thought I saw MSN.
I'll have to check my logs. up_the_irons: i c jazz57: Try a trace to 207.46.199.42
That was bing bot on my site.
First hop is microsoft.com.any2ix.coresite.com
So looks like peering to me. :-) up_the_irons: wow i peer with M$
i gotta stop that jazz57: Coool. up_the_irons: send a deny community string with their ASN
LOL jazz57: If all the SEO experts are right that fast loading sites rank higher, we should be in great shape. up_the_irons: LOL jazz57: I get pings of <1ms to all major carriers except cogent. up_the_irons: nice ***: milki has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) jazz57: It's all thanks to you, up_the_irons. up_the_irons: hahaha
i'm here to please jazz57: I won't mention the name of my other provider, but most of their traffic goes through San Jose.
Drive me nuts. JuniperJaxx: toddf: hahaha ref:irssi script -: jazz57 wonders what's going to happen now that gtt has taken over. up_the_irons: i need to sign with level3 and screw PE (wait, now, GTT). so many problems with PE toddf: isn't level3 the evil one? or is it just to connect so the people who can't come through HE can come through level3? jazz57: I loved their rhetoric about "donut routing" but most of their traffic seems to go through level3. up_the_irons: is level3 evil? i haven't heard jazz57: I like nLayer as they seem to do the donut thing rather nicely (having peeing with time warner cable, etc.). The CEO is also active on WHT and is interested in latency concerns.
But I guess they aren't avail at Wilshire Annex.
Trit has a global crossing connection (to be merged with L3) so it might be nice to have a Tier 2.
Check out how big Level3 will be after the merger with Global Crossing: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/04/level-crossing.shtml ***: milki has joined #arpnetworks
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