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| bob^^ | G: not the vigor 120
but i've used a few other drayteks in the past | [02:46] |
| G | bob^^: ahhh okay | [02:47] |
| bob^^ | they're actually pretty good
well - all the ones i've used have been 2600/2700/2800s mostly | [02:47] |
| G | bob^^: yeah, they look awesome | [02:48] |
| bob^^ | very configurable :) | [02:48] |
| G | bob^^: well that's always a plus | [02:49] |
| bob^^ | they keep the firmware updated too which is nice
and have some pretty advanced features | [02:50] |
| G | bob^^: it's the bridging in the 120 that has me interested | [02:51] |
| bob^^ | oh i see, it's just a pure bridging modem
nice | [02:51] |
| G | bob^^: the idea of which just sounds awesome | [02:52] |
| bob^^ | i used ot have one of those years ago made by d-link
very useful if you want to use a 'proper' router my modem at home does proper bridging mode too, it's a thomson (then i have a netscreen ns50 doing my v6 tunnelling, routing, a bit of NAT and being my firewall) | [02:52] |
| G | bob^^: what model Thompson? | [02:55] |
| bob^^ | TG585 iirc | [02:55] |
| G | bob^^: ahh yep, they are the ones TelecomNZ send out
TG585v8 | [03:05] |
| bob^^ | yeah, that sounds right
v7 or v8 i think, not sure which one mine is | [03:05] |
| G | heavily locked down, Telecom branding all over it, ugly Web UI, featureless :) | [03:05] |
| bob^^ | my ISP sent it to me and it turned out to sync faster than any of the ones i 'borrowed' from work, and it bridges, so i stuck with it
yeah some ISPs here do that - but it should be easy to reflash with a 'real' image | [03:06] |
| G | at least my Linksys has RIP/Static Routing | [03:06] |
| bob^^ | mine shipped with an unbranded 'real' firmware and was pre-configured, i just had to tell it to bridge :) | [03:06] |
| G | (woohoo to not having to have 2 layers of NAT!) | [03:06] |
| bob^^ | :D | [03:06] |
| G | but see, I was thinking of getting the 120 so I didn't need to worry about that full stop | [03:07] |
| bob^^ | yeah, i can understand that
most 'router modems' can be configured to just straight bridge though, which would make it like the 120 | [03:07] |
| G | bob^^: but iirc that normally relies on the DSLAMs configured for PPPoE, not PPPoA | [03:08] |
| bob^^ | oh, not in my experience
you just need to tell the router *not* to route/perform NAT/firewall sometimes the commands are well hidden (for example to do it on a Zyxel 660 you have to use the command line and dig through the docs to find out how) | [03:08] |
| G | ahhhh, that still isn't a true bridge though is it | [03:08] |
| bob^^ | on the Zyxel (and the Thomson), yup
oh well hang on - when you're saying bridge, do you want something that lets you do the PPP auth 'outside' the modem? | [03:09] |
| G | bob^^: something that could eventually let me have IPv6 without upgrading the modem | [03:10] |
| bob^^ | ahh ok, then yeah, some of those 'non-routing routers' won't work for you in the future :(
the thomson *feels* like it would be fine (though my ISP doesn't do v6 yet) | [03:10] |
| G | neither does mine | [03:10] |
| bob^^ | HE tunnels all the way ;) | [03:11] |
| G | bob^^: yeah
bob^^: tbh, my home network is kinda complex now :) I have: ADSL on subnet 0.0/24, then a bunch of internal subnets for different purposes, IPv6 tunneled to LAX by HE, then an OpenVPN connection between my 'server' to my VPS | [03:11] |
| bob^^ | :)
i've got two sets of v6 tunnels and two local subnets - one for me, one for my housemate | [03:13] |
| G | for SOME PCs on the local network, when the VPN is up, their ARIN bound IPv4 traffic, gets routed via the OpenVPN connection out my VPS | [03:13] |
| bob^^ | beyond that i leave the complex stuff to when i'm in the office and someone pays me to set it up ;) | [03:13] |
| G | for all others, it goes out via my ISP untunneled
the only side effect, is it screws w/ Google when I use the search bar in Firefox, google currently insists I'm in Nashville, TN | [03:13] |
| bob^^ | haah
:) | [03:15] |
| G | I've had Chicago & Seattle as 'my location' as well | [03:15] |
| bob^^ | the worst i've had like that was when RIPE allocated us a new /18
which had previously been allocated to a romanian ISP | [03:15] |
| G | which for geeky stuff, doesn't really matter, but when I want to look up say a New Zealand person, it sucks big time | [03:16] |
| bob^^ | for *months* geolocation thought a huge lump of our customers were in romania, and not the UK
really annoying when users couldn't watch BBC content | [03:16] |
| G | bob^^: oh that is great! | [03:16] |
| bob^^ | in the end i had to get directly in contact with the company that provide the BBC with geolocation services
and sign and fax a form confirming where the block actually was in the world :) | [03:16] |
| G | sounds like NZ Post | [03:17] |
| bob^^ | geolocation can be silly | [03:17] |
| G | NZ Post (think Royal Mail), provide companies that pay big $$$ access to their database that includes every NZ address & postcode | [03:17] |
| bob^^ | ah yes, the royal mail are equally as guilty of that here | [03:18] |
| G | strictly non-marketing, doesn't include names etc | [03:18] |
| bob^^ | although - our postcode database is being released for free because it's technically government property (apparently) - though i've no idea when :( | [03:18] |
| G | (the exact same data minus postcodes could be got from LINZ for free as well)
the primary purpose is for big companies to ensure they correctly address letters etc w/ the right details | [03:18] |
| bob^^ | yeah | [03:19] |
| G | so all the Banks have it, most of the Govt departments, ISPs that sorta thing
I'd always found it odd that for a lot of sites, entering our home address resulted in "We don't know where that is" but they knew where all our neighbours were (and the numbering where I live isn't exactly rocket since, numbering is based on 10's of meters from the end of the road) | [03:19] |
| bob^^ | ahh, smart numbering :) | [03:21] |
| G | *science, anyway, I was using the NZ Post site, and even that would say that our street number didn't exist, the last straw was when I tried to update my Driver's Licence address | [03:22] |
| bob^^ | hehe | [03:23] |
| G | All I wanted to do was remove my PO Box from their system, but I had to type out all the details (I also wanted to make sure that the home address was entered correctly), it would not accept the home address, no way to override
it was just "That address doesn't exist, sorry, can't continue" | [03:23] |
| bob^^ | ah yeah, i've had that here
our work postcode doesn't really match our actual address REALLY annoying if you can't manually correct it | [03:24] |
| G | so I ring up NZ Post, and am like "Why does the database say we don't exist?" we had to send back an A3 form back to NZ Post to fix the issue
turns out.... people that are in the urban mail system, automatically get entered on the database.... people that live in the Rural Delivery areas, have to sign a contract thing to get added, NZ Post, never told us we had to sign one (plus we had perfect Rural Delivery for years without anyone saying we hadn't signed the contract all because of a missing A3 sheet of paper with our address on it | [03:25] |
| bob^^ | lol | [03:27] |
| G | that said, NZ Post are pretty good here
like you can't complain about the time it takes to get packages around the country, and heck, parcel from the UK via regular mail only took 5 days, UK->Rural NZ (and that included 2 weekend days) | [03:29] |
| bob^^ | wow, pretty good
over here we have two 'classes' of post 1st class and 2nd class 1st class *used* to mean 1 day, 2nd class was 2-3 days now it's all the same, but 1st class cost loads more :( | [03:33] |
| G | my package was just sent Rest of World Air Mail
from the RM website: "Major cities worldwide within five days, and other destinations within seven" so I reckon it was pretty quick | [03:36] |
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| G | bob^^: did you HE.net tunnel go weird? | [05:01] |
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| bob^^ | not sure G - it's at home and i'm at work
at work we have native v6 (working at an ISP sometimes has advantages hehe) | [05:47] |
| LT | bob^^: curious where you heard the post code database might be opened up? would sure be useful if it was | [06:00] |
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| bob^^ | LT: seems they decided *not* to open it :(
however ordance survey have been forced to release co-ordinates for all UK postcodes which might useful for some applications that needed PAF before | [07:00] |
| LT | ah. not so helpful for the typical usecase of autofilling addresses in web forms though
unless you can easily map co-ordinate back to street | [07:02] |
| bob^^ | indeed :( | [07:03] |
| LT | hmm I wonder how accurate that ordnance survey info would be too. particularly where a single street has many postcodes | [07:04] |
| bob^^ | indeed
OS data does tend to be pretty good | [07:05] |
| LT | up to a certain point... but if a postcode covers numbers 2-50, evens only and the housenumbers were never recorded in the OS data... | [07:07] |
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| bob^^ | yeah
true a free PAF would be a sensible thing to do imho | [07:17] |
| LT | sensible for everyone but the people profiting from selling it of course | [07:19] |
| bob^^ | hehe yeah, royal mail must make a fair whack from it | [07:29] |
| LT | there's a business opportunity somewhere there, take the OS streetview, locator, and postcode data, tie them together electronically and undercut the postoffice vastly for a slightly less accurate service | [07:34] |
| bob^^ | i *think* someone did that
and royal mail came down on them pretty hard that's what started the whole 'PAF should be Free!' debate | [07:34] |
| LT | don't see how they could do anything about it so long as the data was provably sourced form OS rather than a rip off
then again this is the same company that trademarked the colour red | [07:36] |
| bob^^ | indeed | [07:38] |
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| toddf | do others have v6 connectivity to their vps?
'ifconfig em0 down up' solved it for me. fwiw. (it was effecting v4 also, I just .. don't use v4 a lot anymore *grin*) | [10:03] |
| vcs | lucky | [10:09] |
| toddf | I was .. pummeling v6 traffic .. for a short bit, must have put the hw/emulated hw/something in a bad state for that to have resolved it. | [10:10] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I'm seeing normal v6 without troubles
didn't have to do anything on the interface. | [10:50] |
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