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up_the_irons: Really liked your service. Will be back one day, but right now I seriously can't afford it. YES I'M THAT POOR! Don't judge me! | [06:30] |
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| reardencode | up_the_irons: what is your stance on running TOR exit nodes on your network? | [08:34] |
| toddf | reardencode: I can't pretend to speak on his behalf but what I've observed is there is a no tolerance policy for illegal stuff. excessive cpu and disk io tend to be frowned upon.
I see in the logs others are running tor bridges.. | [08:46] |
| reardencode | toddf: tor is very gentle on both CPU and disk, hard on bandwidth
the legality is a very interesting question -- while others may use an exit node I run for illegal activities, the running of the exit node itself is legal and I would not use the TOR network for illegal activities | [08:47] |
| toddf | bandwidth is monitored so be prepared for that | [08:48] |
| reardencode | toddf: of course -- I'll eithe rkeep it within my current 500 GB/mo or purchase more for TOR use | [08:49] |
| toddf | to get an official answer you might ask support@ directly. personally I understand the legal reasons for tor (i.e. wikileaks posting and such) | [08:49] |
| reardencode | yah -- I ran an exit node on my previous ISP and it definitely did cause at least one misdirected legal complaint to their legal dept, which is why I'm curious on up_the_irons' stance
if he doesn't answer here I'll email support@ | [08:51] |
| toddf | 2009/11/06 ...
155050 < Stellar> can i run torrent flux? 155127 < Stellar> some hosting forbid running torrent 155133 < Stellar> bot 155135 < Stellar> ircd 155137 <@up_the_irons> i don't block any ports, but if you serve anything illega l, I personally have assisted the FBI in search warrants, so be afraid 155139 <@up_the_irons> ;) 2009/12/04 ... 191000 < dja> I assume theres no restrictions on what can run on the server, I d idnt see anything in the acceptable use policy anyway 191021 <@up_the_irons> dja: no restrictions, just has to be legal | [08:57] |
| thats all I've got in my logs .. I'd honestly be interested in knowing the answer you get so please share it here if you dont get it here | [09:05] | |
| niccos | toddf: do you have a direct link on cancelling an account, or do I just need to email support. I put a ticket in in the help desk... | [09:15] |
| toddf | niccos: if in doubt email support@. if you can't find it in the portal then email support@. if in doubt email support@. ;-) | [09:16] |
| niccos | lol
well, I did last time and never heard anything from them till I came here ;p | [09:16] |
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| fink | http://www.eff.org/torchallenge | [10:03] |
| reardencode | fink: that's what got me thinking about it again | [10:06] |
| fink | reardencode: i like the eff
they're good people | [10:06] |
| reardencode | oh wait, you weren't here, I was asking up_the_irons about his stance on running exit nodes on arp
he hasn't answered yet | [10:06] |
| fink | reardencode: what did he say
up_the_irons: +1 for internet freedom | [10:07] |
| reardencode | seems that relays should be totally clear, but exit nodes are the more questionable area | [10:07] |
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| mike-burns | The general stance has been: don't do something that will get up_the_irons in trouble. | [10:25] |
| niccos | that takes all the fun out of it | [10:27] |
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| fink | so i should take down my freemovies.eu torrent mirror? | [10:45] |
| reardencode | mike-burns: yeah, which is why exit nodes are grey -- they are exceedingly unlikely to get him in actual trouble, but are moderately likely to cause him to get misdirected legal nasty letters | [10:51] |
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| toddf | fink: <disclaimer: just a random yoyo's opinion> if you've had it up for a while and no issues to date, I'd wait for an issue to crop up or an official request from arp before taking action like that </disclaimer> | [11:09] |
| fink | toddf: thanks
toddf: i was kidding, btw | [11:09] |
| reardencode | I'm just glad I'm not the only one to fall for one of fink's *lies* :-P | [11:12] |
| toddf | heh | [11:13] |
| fink | reardencode: when did i get you? | [11:13] |
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| reardencode | fink: briefly had me believing ARP used SSDs | [11:31] |
| fink | hahah oh yea
it's true! | [11:31] |
| toddf | hahaha | [11:35] |
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| jaja | do up_the_irons is around? | [14:20] |
| toddf | jaja: if he is he will respond ;-) | [14:21] |
| jaja | I think :P
how you doing toddf? | [14:21] |
| toddf | busy as usual. do I know you? | [14:26] |
| jaja | not really, a costumer here since some month. I try to be polite by asking how you doing :P | [14:29] |
| jdoe | haha. WELL THAT'LL TEACH YOU. ;) | [14:43] |
| toddf | heh | [14:54] |
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| dxtr | jaja: Are you swedish?
Or Scandinavian :P | [15:37] |
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| up_the_irons | dxtr: no worries, i'm getting that a lot now; american economy in the shitter, bringing world economy down too i suppose
reardencode: let's put it this way, if your vps causes me trouble or any other customer trouble, be prepared for an abrupt shutdown and termination ;) | [17:05] |
| reardencode | up_the_irons: tricky, so you getting letters claiming your services are being used for things they aren't (like hosting copyrighted stuff that's really just being transmitted through TOR) might be such a case for abrupt termination? | [17:09] |
| up_the_irons | reardencode: it's like this... say a customer pays $10 per month for a vps, and I get a some letter from some law firm, saying yada yada... what are the chances the $10 I make from that vps actually outweighs the cost of me opening the letter and dealing with the issue? considering i have hundreds of other vps' at $10, that *don't* cause me the same grief, what do i care if I remove that $10
account to save myself hassle? So I hope that makes it more clear :) | [17:13] |
| reardencode | up_the_irons: perfectly, thanks
up_the_irons: about what I expected, given that you aren't a giant megacorp host like my previous :) | [17:13] |
| up_the_irons | Approach it using the Ostrich Algorithm (from Tanenbaum): if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll ignore you.
that's to say, if you don't bug me, i won't bug you ;) reardencode: yep :) | [17:14] |
| reardencode | yeah, sadly exit nodes tend to generate such letters, so I"ll just run a relay if anything. | [17:15] |
| up_the_irons | ok | [17:15] |
| niccos | up_the_irons: you still around? | [17:16] |
| up_the_irons | i used to run a colo company that had a big disproportion in the size of clients. So the small guys couldn't get away with much, but some clients paid like $5K or $10K per month, so if legal issues came up (like the call we got from the FBI one day, and subsequent search warrant [see paste by toddf above]), it was hard to say, "take your troubles elsewhere", cuz that would be a big revenue
hit. I now love only doing $10 and $20 accounts, cuz everyone is on the same playing field and one customer loss is not a big deal niccos: just got a phone call, brb | [17:18] |
| niccos | ok | [17:18] |
| reardencode | interesting perspective, thanks | [17:20] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: Where's the fun in cooperating with law enforcement? :D
Doesn't cost you anything to say "Come back with a court order, noobs!" But if they already have a court order it's like "Oh well. I surrender!" | [17:24] |
| niccos | dxtr: 2 words
patriot act | [17:26] |
| dxtr | Oh, yeah. I forgot you've got laws like that | [17:27] |
| niccos | yes, and they were voted in again
land of the free! | [17:27] |
| dxtr | :D | [17:27] |
| reardencode | dxtr: what tax farm do you hail from? | [17:28] |
| dxtr | It's awesome that you guys are bringing your freedom here, niccos ;)
reardencode: Huh? | [17:28] |
| reardencode | "tax farm" -> country | [17:28] |
| dxtr | ≤Oh | [17:28] |
| niccos | he means what country
lol | [17:28] |
| dxtr | Sweden | [17:28] |
| niccos | oh nice
and yeah, our money and freedom is there :p money = freedom | [17:28] |
| reardencode | Ah, beautiful country, been to Stockholm once | [17:29] |
| dxtr | reardencode: Me too! | [17:29] |
| reardencode | too bad you're enslaved for > 50% of the year before your wages go to you ;) | [17:29] |
| dxtr | niccos: We officially call ourselves your bitch nowadays
reardencode: Huh? | [17:29] |
| niccos | lol @ that | [17:30] |
| reardencode | IIRC the tax burden in Sweden is ~55% on average where in the US it's ~40% | [17:30] |
| dxtr | 55%? | [17:30] |
| niccos | well
I pay no problems paying taxes | [17:30] |
| reardencode | I'm happy to be mistaken, maybe I"ll move :) | [17:30] |
| dxtr | Oh, you mean income *AND* outcome tax? | [17:30] |
| niccos | as long as the money gets used, and not to line some fat politicians pocket | [17:30] |
| reardencode | dxtr: yes | [17:30] |
| dxtr | Yeah, that's close to 55% | [17:30] |
| jaja | up_the_irons, did you receive my mail about the payment? | [17:30] |
| reardencode | ok, I should stop talking, my positions are far too controversial for a quiet technical room :) | [17:31] |
| dxtr | reardencode: VAT is a bitch. But apparently that's *kind of* EU regulated | [17:31] |
| reardencode | dxtr: yah, the EU is pretty evil -- but I thought Sweden was mostly independent of it by virtue of not being on the Euro? | [17:32] |
| dxtr | I generally like taxes but nowadays I have no idea what the hell we are spending all the money on.
reardencode: haha. You'd be amazed | [17:32] |
| reardencode | :( | [17:32] |
| niccos | well
dxtr: if you were in the us | [17:33] |
| dxtr | We get bitch slapped all the time for having laws that care about privacy too much
And integrity and stuff | [17:33] |
| niccos | we like letting congress vote on stuff that has the most money | [17:33] |
| reardencode | dxtr: yeah, I've seen some of that, very unfortunate | [17:33] |
| up_the_irons | jaja: probably, i get a lot of email at the beginning of the month (about payment ;)
dxtr: i actually have no problem with law enforcement. i will not harbor criminals ;) | [17:33] |
| niccos | criminals make the world go round
! | [17:34] |
| dxtr | reardencode: Also, according to Wikileaks the US are threatening us if we don't implement their laws and stuff. The list goes on
up_the_irons: Because, as we know, law enforcements *ALWAYS* go after definitive criminals And they never do wrong :) | [17:35] |
| reardencode | dxtr: again, I've seen some of that sort of news, very unfortunate. Hopefully Sweden does more to stand up for itself than the states of the US have
up_the_irons: I'd agree with your stance there entirely if I could fathom the validity of crimes without victims (ie IP crimes or drug crimes) | [17:35] |
| dxtr | reardencode: Thing is that all the good politicans are somehow passively forced to quit. It's either bullying or direct harassments from other politicians
(other politicians == politicians bribed by someone) | [17:36] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: the guy the FBI nabbed in the case I was involved in was a definite criminal ;) | [17:37] |
| reardencode | dxtr: agreed, the only good politicians are the ones who don't want the job and unfortunately they're the easiest to push out of the business | [17:37] |
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| dxtr | reardencode: Also, some politicians make a political U-turn when they're about to vote for something. (Look up Fredrik Federley) | [17:38] |
| reardencode | or Barrack Obama... | [17:38] |
| dxtr | This Fredrik Federley actually went up to the podium i parliament and started crying. Live. Hoping people would feel sorry for him
And he was the most popular and promising politician for ages That went out the window pretty fast | [17:38] |
| pilgrimd | Oh boo-hoo I make several times the national average salary, get free medical insurance and a car service? | [17:39] |
| reardencode | lol | [17:39] |
| pilgrimd | Dear politician, please buy someone to care about your woes, kthnx. | [17:39] |
| dxtr | pilgrimd: Kind of | [17:40] |
| jaja | up_the_irons, okey, t's was only to told you, you're able to take the payment now, I added found on the credits card, it's only for you don't suspend my server. Generally I add the money on my pre-pay credits card each 1th day of each month in the middle of morning. Sorry for the declined | [17:40] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: Lucky :P
up_the_irons: Might be a cultural thing or something. But here people generally don't like to cooperate with law enforcement without proof Especially not lately I think it started with Thepiratebay and PRQ | [17:40] |
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| up_the_irons | jaja: no problem
dxtr: well, the FBI told us what the customer was doing, and then we checked it out ourselves, and were like "oh duh, why didn't we notice this before?" ;) it was mass scale software piracy we didn't really need any proof, it was pretty obvious | [18:39] |
| HighJinx | HighJinx can haz warez?
j/k | [18:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - just don't do anything that gets the machines seized without up_the_irons getting involved
that's pretty damn annoying :) | [18:43] |
| HighJinx | i should get an arp box at some point, im still on dh for ease hehe | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | so - my offsite snapshotting project is mostly working well | [18:45] |
| up_the_irons | HighJinx: why yes, u should ;) | [18:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | except when it breaks... zfs can leave a snapshot lying around with a '%' in the name
and then doesn't know how to delete it so it has required manual intervention every few days | [18:45] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: rm -i * ;) just hit "no" until it gets to the file you want | [18:46] |
| HighJinx | can run a cron to check filenames and delete | [18:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | zxfer has mostly been painless though
it's not a filename - it's a snapshot visible only to zdb :( | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | ah ok | [18:46] |
| HighJinx | ah | [18:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | when you "zfs recv" an incremental, it has to create a temporary snapshot for the incoming data
and if that aborts somehow, the temporary one isn't deleted but the next "zfs recv" aborts, because it tries to delete the proper name, not the temp name otherwise, the idea of using "zfs send -i zroot@then zroot@now | ssh remotehost zfs recv" works pretty well that's essentially what zxfer is doing so I have precisely the same snapshots in texas that I do in LA now within a 15 minute window up_the_irons - this is the service I said you should offer when we talked about this a year go first - mirror the data remotely second - make it "ready to go" on a DNS switch third - make it "ready to go" via some load balancer multiple levels of spare-ish-ness just need to get zxfer aware of the '%'-named temp clones the nice thing about mirroring a snapshot is that the psql will come up very clean since the files are all snapped in a moment-in-time might lose current transactions but no more | [18:47] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons takes a walk, brb | [18:52] |
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| dxtr | up_the_irons: Did this customer do all this unencrypted?
That's kind of retarded :P | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | it can happen
people are stupid everywhere | [19:07] |
| galador | I was copying files to my new vps, and was marginally surprised to find my backups on the old box were actually working :x
I thought I disabled it (was daily backups of a minecraft server, so I wasn't really going to die if I lost it) | [19:08] |
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| RandalSchwartz | "minecraft server" | [20:04] |
| galador | Well, the backend for the multiplayer variant, if you'd prefer that
I haven't even had it running in months, but cron dutifuly ran the backup script I made +daily Looks like the "delete files older than seven days" part didn't work, though | [20:05] |
| toddf | 'like taxes'. unless you work for the irs I can't understand that position.
taxes on income enable the government to continue to bloat out of control. I wish for the old days when even sales tax was a bad thing and ones own income was ones own, not the government's business. *sigh*. </endrant> | [20:14] |
| gamarco | hey todd | [20:19] |
| toddf | toddf waves | [20:19] |
| gamarco | that console server stuff is gonna happen soon. we're building a fab^H^H^Hbasement in a few weeks | [20:19] |
| toddf | niice
guess I should bump the todo to get the website back up again. *sigh*. got some time critical work on my plate and an early morning so not in the next 12hrs for sure. | [20:20] |
| gamarco | maybe if we send one to up_the_irons we can get a free month haha
i'll host it dude | [20:20] |
| toddf | I'd not want to send anyone a rev 0.0 hardware thing and expect compensation in that manner | [20:21] |
| gamarco | i'll be sure to mark it 0.1 so you can sleep well
=) | [20:21] |
| toddf | *grin* | [20:22] |
| gamarco | $ whois bsdhw.org
NOT FOUND $ whois 2clausehardware.org NOT FOUND $ whois twoclausehardware.org NOT FOUND take your pick heh | [20:23] |
| galador | I like shorter domains, but that's my own personal preference :) /random input | [20:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - bsdhw.org seems good
RandalSchwartz registers it out of spit spite | [20:28] |
| galador | Quite a talent if you can register things with your spit | [20:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | as an Old Guy on the Internet, I'm granted such privs. :)
as in "I've been shipping IP packets longer than you've been alive" is almost aalways true :) | [20:29] |
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| galador | speaking of being old, it's my bedtime | [20:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz spits, and registers five new domains | [20:40] |
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| gamarco | gamarco has prior art! | [20:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz has useless art | [20:44] |
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