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anyone here able to get to www.ipv6.govt.nz via IPv6?
G: yes
(through an HE tunnel)
interesting....
it shows my v6 address on the right of the page
You are coming from an IPv6 network; your IP address is
(2001:470:1f09:174b
etc
ahhhh in fact it finally appeared
try test-ipv6.com
it just took ages to appear
might indicate something odd going on
nah it's working fine now
ah cool :)
oh this is great.....  "These are the websites that currently have a 'quad A record'."
better yet, the DIA that run the ipv6.govt.nz haven't enabled IPv6 on any of their other sites
lol
and they run half of the really important govt sites
the UK gov't is just as bad
I'm not really that fussed if the "Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand" is IPv6 or not, but it'd be nice if the NZ Passports site was, or the DIA Anti-Spam site
hardly any of our official stuff is v6
heck, the IRD could've gone IPv6 for tax-time
actually, i don't think any of our government stuff is v6
it's really annoying - as an ISP we're starting to support v6, as are most other small ISPs here
but until sites start using it, the volume of v6 traffic is *tiny*
we're doing about 9gbit/s of v4 right now, and only 1mbit/s of v6 for example
nice
1 mbit/s is far better than 0 mbit/s
true
tbh, i suspect most of that 1mbit/s is probably just bits of kit saying hello to each other
bob^^: it's actually disappointing here in NZ, NZ has the perfect dynamics to start the IPv6 revolution, small population, low complexity ISP networks, few peering points (commerical/non-commericial)
when I say low-complexity I'm kinda refering to, nationally most ISPs have large stacks of equipment in one to 'a few' cities
yeah
all of the UK's peering networks are all v6 enabled
we peer with lots of guys on v6 as well
instead of 20 outpoints and peering in hundreds of peering places, etc
the problem here is that although most ISPs have v6 in the core, the customer equipment (routers/modems etc) can't do v6 at all
bob^^: yep, exactly, which makes NZ a perfect testing place
yeah
that's a good point
it would be a good example to the rest of the world too
might kick people into actually using v6
get the equipment manufactures to spend some of their R&D budgets on putting out cheap/free IPv6 enabled test equipment
at our last peering meeting a chap gave a talk on a cheap v6-enabled router for home customers
go to the IT Consultancy firms, tech forums etc to get the people that know what they are doing testing it
yeah
i think the problem will also be that home users just don't care or understand why they need to upgrade software/change hardware
getting that message out will be tough
then go to the rest of the world "We have this well tested IPv6 ADSL & Cable equipment/firmware, you can't hide behind the CPE complaint"
that would be great
put simply: NZ is mostly ADSL, with DOCCIS cable in two cities
and small outbreaks of FTTH
i've heard (not sure how true this is) but DOCSIS v1/v2 cannot support v6
err yeah, DOCSIS
bob^^: yeah, iirc TelstraClear are testing DOCSIS 3 on their network
yeah in the UK we've only got one cable network (Virgin Media) and they're busy rolling out DOCSIS3
ADSL providers here, some actually do support and promote v6 - but they are very niche and expensive providers
as I understand it, only two ISPs are doing IPv6 trials in NZ
FTTC stuff is being rolled out here but i don't know if it's v6 ready - i suspect it is not
one is all cloak & dagger, and the other is doing the right thing, but they are too expensive
yeah, that's the thing isn't it
the ones who are pushing v6 out are the specialist (and expensive) ISPs
bob^^: I didn't think the DSLAMs really matter
im actually not sure
bob^^: as I understand it, DSLAMs only care about the physical layer, switching ADSL lines to the right ISP circuits etc
my only DSLAM experience is with Zyxel, Corecess and Lucent Stinger stuff
the Zyxel and Corecess can definitely do v6 if the CPE can
but the stingers are really messed up
hate working on them with a passion
people the IP protocols go via the PPPoE/PPPoA connection tunnels
the CPE that you get with FTTC stuff here can't do v6, which seems stupid
errr s/people/because/
yeah, that's definitely true - although the stinger does really odd things
trying to support VLANs for customers on a stinger involves writing a config file that's nearly 70mb in size
(honestly)
the big problem in NZ, as I understand it, Telecom handle all/most of the PPP Authentication, so that may not work
yes, it's the same here
which can lead to some really f'uped situations
BT Openreach do a lot of the auth here too
they *can* support v6, but it's not common
from speaking to other ISPs who have to use it, they say it's a nightmare to do v6 over a central auth DSL line
When I switched from one ISP (lets call it ISP1) to my current ISP (ISP2), ISP2 told me the transfer would happen on a particular date... it became night, no transfer etc, ISP1's auth details were still in my modem, so anyway, all of a sudden around 7PM everything went crazy slow
I litterally couldn't do anything that involved International transit, and national was pretty unbareable as well
then I realised that I was using ISP2s circuits, but when I tried ISP2 authentication details, it wouldn't connect
at all
Chorus had transfered the circuit, but someone (either ISP2 or Chorus) forgot to provision the authentication details(!)
as a result, because my authentication details didn't match w/ anything ISP2 knew, I ended up on ISP2's test network, which they told me "does really funky stuff"
Hi chaps. I seem to have forgotten my password somehow. I clicked forgot password on the website and put in my email address, do I have to wait for one of you to send it to me or is it supposed to happen automagically?
G: lol :) DSL provisioning in NZ sounds similar to the UK
'funky stuff' is an excuse i hear a lot over here :)
How do I setup a new service on my account?
bob^^: glad to hear that NZ isn't totally backwards to the rest of the world then :)