[02:09] <dr_jkl> \o/
[03:10] <G> anyone here able to get to www.ipv6.govt.nz via IPv6?
[03:10] <bob^^> G: yes
[03:11] <bob^^> (through an HE tunnel)
[03:11] <G> interesting....
[03:11] <bob^^> it shows my v6 address on the right of the page
[03:11] <bob^^> You are coming from an IPv6 network; your IP address is
[03:11] <bob^^> (2001:470:1f09:174b
[03:11] <bob^^> etc
[03:12] <G> ahhhh in fact it finally appeared
[03:12] <bob^^> try test-ipv6.com
[03:13] <G> it just took ages to appear
[03:13] <bob^^> might indicate something odd going on
[03:13] <G> nah it's working fine now
[03:14] <bob^^> ah cool :)
[03:14] <G> oh this is great.....  "These are the websites that currently have a 'quad A record'."
[03:15] <G> better yet, the DIA that run the ipv6.govt.nz haven't enabled IPv6 on any of their other sites
[03:15] <bob^^> lol
[03:16] <G> and they run half of the really important govt sites
[03:17] <bob^^> the UK gov't is just as bad
[03:17] <G> I'm not really that fussed if the "Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand" is IPv6 or not, but it'd be nice if the NZ Passports site was, or the DIA Anti-Spam site
[03:17] <bob^^> hardly any of our official stuff is v6
[03:17] <G> heck, the IRD could've gone IPv6 for tax-time
[03:18] <bob^^> actually, i don't think any of our government stuff is v6
[03:18] <bob^^> it's really annoying - as an ISP we're starting to support v6, as are most other small ISPs here
[03:18] <bob^^> but until sites start using it, the volume of v6 traffic is *tiny*
[03:18] <bob^^> we're doing about 9gbit/s of v4 right now, and only 1mbit/s of v6 for example
[03:19] <G> nice
[03:19] <G> 1 mbit/s is far better than 0 mbit/s
[03:19] <bob^^> true
[03:20] <bob^^> tbh, i suspect most of that 1mbit/s is probably just bits of kit saying hello to each other
[03:47] <G> bob^^: it's actually disappointing here in NZ, NZ has the perfect dynamics to start the IPv6 revolution, small population, low complexity ISP networks, few peering points (commerical/non-commericial)
[03:48] <G> when I say low-complexity I'm kinda refering to, nationally most ISPs have large stacks of equipment in one to 'a few' cities
[03:48] <bob^^> yeah
[03:49] <bob^^> all of the UK's peering networks are all v6 enabled
[03:49] <bob^^> we peer with lots of guys on v6 as well
[03:49] <G> instead of 20 outpoints and peering in hundreds of peering places, etc
[03:49] <bob^^> the problem here is that although most ISPs have v6 in the core, the customer equipment (routers/modems etc) can't do v6 at all
[03:50] <G> bob^^: yep, exactly, which makes NZ a perfect testing place
[03:50] <bob^^> yeah
[03:50] <bob^^> that's a good point
[03:51] <bob^^> it would be a good example to the rest of the world too
[03:51] <bob^^> might kick people into actually using v6
[03:51] <G> get the equipment manufactures to spend some of their R&D budgets on putting out cheap/free IPv6 enabled test equipment
[03:51] <bob^^> at our last peering meeting a chap gave a talk on a cheap v6-enabled router for home customers
[03:52] <G> go to the IT Consultancy firms, tech forums etc to get the people that know what they are doing testing it
[03:52] <bob^^> yeah
[03:52] <bob^^> i think the problem will also be that home users just don't care or understand why they need to upgrade software/change hardware
[03:52] <bob^^> getting that message out will be tough
[03:53] <G> then go to the rest of the world "We have this well tested IPv6 ADSL & Cable equipment/firmware, you can't hide behind the CPE complaint"
[03:53] <bob^^> that would be great
[03:53] <G> put simply: NZ is mostly ADSL, with DOCCIS cable in two cities
[03:53] <G> and small outbreaks of FTTH
[03:54] <bob^^> i've heard (not sure how true this is) but DOCSIS v1/v2 cannot support v6
[03:54] <G> err yeah, DOCSIS
[03:54] <G> bob^^: yeah, iirc TelstraClear are testing DOCSIS 3 on their network
[03:54] <bob^^> yeah in the UK we've only got one cable network (Virgin Media) and they're busy rolling out DOCSIS3
[03:55] <bob^^> ADSL providers here, some actually do support and promote v6 - but they are very niche and expensive providers
[03:55] <G> as I understand it, only two ISPs are doing IPv6 trials in NZ
[03:55] <bob^^> FTTC stuff is being rolled out here but i don't know if it's v6 ready - i suspect it is not
[03:55] <G> one is all cloak & dagger, and the other is doing the right thing, but they are too expensive
[03:56] <bob^^> yeah, that's the thing isn't it
[03:56] <bob^^> the ones who are pushing v6 out are the specialist (and expensive) ISPs
[03:56] <G> bob^^: I didn't think the DSLAMs really matter
[03:56] <bob^^> im actually not sure
[03:56] <G> bob^^: as I understand it, DSLAMs only care about the physical layer, switching ADSL lines to the right ISP circuits etc
[03:56] <bob^^> my only DSLAM experience is with Zyxel, Corecess and Lucent Stinger stuff
[03:57] <bob^^> the Zyxel and Corecess can definitely do v6 if the CPE can
[03:57] <bob^^> but the stingers are really messed up
[03:57] <bob^^> hate working on them with a passion
[03:57] <G> people the IP protocols go via the PPPoE/PPPoA connection tunnels
[03:57] <bob^^> the CPE that you get with FTTC stuff here can't do v6, which seems stupid
[03:57] <G> errr s/people/because/
[03:58] <bob^^> yeah, that's definitely true - although the stinger does really odd things
[03:58] <bob^^> trying to support VLANs for customers on a stinger involves writing a config file that's nearly 70mb in size
[03:58] <bob^^> (honestly)
[03:58] <G> the big problem in NZ, as I understand it, Telecom handle all/most of the PPP Authentication, so that may not work
[03:59] <bob^^> yes, it's the same here
[03:59] <G> which can lead to some really f'uped situations
[03:59] <bob^^> BT Openreach do a lot of the auth here too
[03:59] <bob^^> they *can* support v6, but it's not common
[03:59] <bob^^> from speaking to other ISPs who have to use it, they say it's a nightmare to do v6 over a central auth DSL line
[04:00] <G> When I switched from one ISP (lets call it ISP1) to my current ISP (ISP2), ISP2 told me the transfer would happen on a particular date... it became night, no transfer etc, ISP1's auth details were still in my modem, so anyway, all of a sudden around 7PM everything went crazy slow
[04:01] <G> I litterally couldn't do anything that involved International transit, and national was pretty unbareable as well
[04:02] <G> then I realised that I was using ISP2s circuits, but when I tried ISP2 authentication details, it wouldn't connect
[04:02] <G> at all
[04:02] <G> Chorus had transfered the circuit, but someone (either ISP2 or Chorus) forgot to provision the authentication details(!)
[04:04] <G> as a result, because my authentication details didn't match w/ anything ISP2 knew, I ended up on ISP2's test network, which they told me "does really funky stuff"
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[06:49] <heidar> Hi chaps. I seem to have forgotten my password somehow. I clicked forgot password on the website and put in my email address, do I have to wait for one of you to send it to me or is it supposed to happen automagically?
[06:51] <bob^^> G: lol :) DSL provisioning in NZ sounds similar to the UK
[06:51] <bob^^> 'funky stuff' is an excuse i hear a lot over here :)
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[17:55] <G> bob^^: glad to hear that NZ isn't totally backwards to the rest of the world then :)
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