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| dr_jkl | o/ | [02:09] |
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| G | anyone here able to get to www.ipv6.govt.nz via IPv6? | [03:10] |
| bob^^ | G: yes
(through an HE tunnel) | [03:10] |
| G | interesting.... | [03:11] |
| bob^^ | it shows my v6 address on the right of the page
You are coming from an IPv6 network; your IP address is (2001:470:1f09:174b etc | [03:11] |
| G | ahhhh in fact it finally appeared | [03:12] |
| bob^^ | try test-ipv6.com | [03:12] |
| G | it just took ages to appear | [03:13] |
| bob^^ | might indicate something odd going on | [03:13] |
| G | nah it's working fine now | [03:13] |
| bob^^ | ah cool :) | [03:14] |
| G | oh this is great..... "These are the websites that currently have a 'quad A record'."
better yet, the DIA that run the ipv6.govt.nz haven't enabled IPv6 on any of their other sites | [03:14] |
| bob^^ | lol | [03:15] |
| G | and they run half of the really important govt sites | [03:16] |
| bob^^ | the UK gov't is just as bad | [03:17] |
| G | I'm not really that fussed if the "Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand" is IPv6 or not, but it'd be nice if the NZ Passports site was, or the DIA Anti-Spam site | [03:17] |
| bob^^ | hardly any of our official stuff is v6 | [03:17] |
| G | heck, the IRD could've gone IPv6 for tax-time | [03:17] |
| bob^^ | actually, i don't think any of our government stuff is v6
it's really annoying - as an ISP we're starting to support v6, as are most other small ISPs here but until sites start using it, the volume of v6 traffic is *tiny* we're doing about 9gbit/s of v4 right now, and only 1mbit/s of v6 for example | [03:18] |
| G | nice
1 mbit/s is far better than 0 mbit/s | [03:19] |
| bob^^ | true
tbh, i suspect most of that 1mbit/s is probably just bits of kit saying hello to each other | [03:19] |
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| G | bob^^: it's actually disappointing here in NZ, NZ has the perfect dynamics to start the IPv6 revolution, small population, low complexity ISP networks, few peering points (commerical/non-commericial)
when I say low-complexity I'm kinda refering to, nationally most ISPs have large stacks of equipment in one to 'a few' cities | [03:47] |
| bob^^ | yeah
all of the UK's peering networks are all v6 enabled we peer with lots of guys on v6 as well | [03:48] |
| G | instead of 20 outpoints and peering in hundreds of peering places, etc | [03:49] |
| bob^^ | the problem here is that although most ISPs have v6 in the core, the customer equipment (routers/modems etc) can't do v6 at all | [03:49] |
| G | bob^^: yep, exactly, which makes NZ a perfect testing place | [03:50] |
| bob^^ | yeah
that's a good point it would be a good example to the rest of the world too might kick people into actually using v6 | [03:50] |
| G | get the equipment manufactures to spend some of their R&D budgets on putting out cheap/free IPv6 enabled test equipment | [03:51] |
| bob^^ | at our last peering meeting a chap gave a talk on a cheap v6-enabled router for home customers | [03:51] |
| G | go to the IT Consultancy firms, tech forums etc to get the people that know what they are doing testing it | [03:52] |
| bob^^ | yeah
i think the problem will also be that home users just don't care or understand why they need to upgrade software/change hardware getting that message out will be tough | [03:52] |
| G | then go to the rest of the world "We have this well tested IPv6 ADSL & Cable equipment/firmware, you can't hide behind the CPE complaint" | [03:53] |
| bob^^ | that would be great | [03:53] |
| G | put simply: NZ is mostly ADSL, with DOCCIS cable in two cities
and small outbreaks of FTTH | [03:53] |
| bob^^ | i've heard (not sure how true this is) but DOCSIS v1/v2 cannot support v6 | [03:54] |
| G | err yeah, DOCSIS
bob^^: yeah, iirc TelstraClear are testing DOCSIS 3 on their network | [03:54] |
| bob^^ | yeah in the UK we've only got one cable network (Virgin Media) and they're busy rolling out DOCSIS3
ADSL providers here, some actually do support and promote v6 - but they are very niche and expensive providers | [03:54] |
| G | as I understand it, only two ISPs are doing IPv6 trials in NZ | [03:55] |
| bob^^ | FTTC stuff is being rolled out here but i don't know if it's v6 ready - i suspect it is not | [03:55] |
| G | one is all cloak & dagger, and the other is doing the right thing, but they are too expensive | [03:55] |
| bob^^ | yeah, that's the thing isn't it
the ones who are pushing v6 out are the specialist (and expensive) ISPs | [03:56] |
| G | bob^^: I didn't think the DSLAMs really matter | [03:56] |
| bob^^ | im actually not sure | [03:56] |
| G | bob^^: as I understand it, DSLAMs only care about the physical layer, switching ADSL lines to the right ISP circuits etc | [03:56] |
| bob^^ | my only DSLAM experience is with Zyxel, Corecess and Lucent Stinger stuff
the Zyxel and Corecess can definitely do v6 if the CPE can but the stingers are really messed up hate working on them with a passion | [03:56] |
| G | people the IP protocols go via the PPPoE/PPPoA connection tunnels | [03:57] |
| bob^^ | the CPE that you get with FTTC stuff here can't do v6, which seems stupid | [03:57] |
| G | errr s/people/because/ | [03:57] |
| bob^^ | yeah, that's definitely true - although the stinger does really odd things
trying to support VLANs for customers on a stinger involves writing a config file that's nearly 70mb in size (honestly) | [03:58] |
| G | the big problem in NZ, as I understand it, Telecom handle all/most of the PPP Authentication, so that may not work | [03:58] |
| bob^^ | yes, it's the same here | [03:59] |
| G | which can lead to some really f'uped situations | [03:59] |
| bob^^ | BT Openreach do a lot of the auth here too
they *can* support v6, but it's not common from speaking to other ISPs who have to use it, they say it's a nightmare to do v6 over a central auth DSL line | [03:59] |
| G | When I switched from one ISP (lets call it ISP1) to my current ISP (ISP2), ISP2 told me the transfer would happen on a particular date... it became night, no transfer etc, ISP1's auth details were still in my modem, so anyway, all of a sudden around 7PM everything went crazy slow
I litterally couldn't do anything that involved International transit, and national was pretty unbareable as well then I realised that I was using ISP2s circuits, but when I tried ISP2 authentication details, it wouldn't connect at all Chorus had transfered the circuit, but someone (either ISP2 or Chorus) forgot to provision the authentication details(!) as a result, because my authentication details didn't match w/ anything ISP2 knew, I ended up on ISP2's test network, which they told me "does really funky stuff" | [04:00] |
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| heidar | Hi chaps. I seem to have forgotten my password somehow. I clicked forgot password on the website and put in my email address, do I have to wait for one of you to send it to me or is it supposed to happen automagically? | [06:49] |
| bob^^ | G: lol :) DSL provisioning in NZ sounds similar to the UK
'funky stuff' is an excuse i hear a lot over here :) | [06:51] |
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| G | bob^^: glad to hear that NZ isn't totally backwards to the rest of the world then :) | [17:55] |
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