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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer dxtr: I pay in advance ,right? RandalSchwartz: with your soul. :)
and especially before "end of the world" :) ***: ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks
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sins*
Also, what RFC is it that up_the_irons is following regarding IP allocation? bob^^: aren't the ip allocation RFCs more for RIRs and not LIRs? -: bob^^ could be wrong bob^^: (i'm thinking of rfc2050 here btw) RandalSchwartz: probably the iana guidelines bob^^: idd
RIR's normally issue guidance to LIRs but it's not in the form of RFCs
(you guys are lucky not to have to deal with RIPE :( dxtr: I remember they were talking about RFCs for that a while ago
But I can't find it now :( bob^^: RFC2050 is guidance for internet registries (an RIR)
on how to issue IPs to ISPs/other customers (those are LIRs)
there's also 1518 (which is out of date and probably doesn't really apply these days) and another one i forget the number of atm dxtr: aight
I might be totally off here :) RandalSchwartz: are you just curious, or do you have some conflict, dxtr? dxtr: I'm just curious G: dxtr: you are talking about the one where he reserves the next /30 to make a /29? RandalSchwartz: and that'd be just his inventory, not an allocation
he's already been allocated it. :) dxtr: RandalSchwartz: Alllocating I mean ofcourse. My head isn't a 100% clear today G: dxtr: I seem to recall up_the_irons talking about an RFC that 'recommends' it as best-practice though dxtr: G: It might be that one G: I know there is an RFC recommending /56 Service Provider to Customer IPv6 allocations RandalSchwartz: yeah - it's all different for v6
but it's 3 tier. /64 if only ever one segment, /56 typical, and /48 if they're going to in turn also allocate out bob^^: yup G: RandalSchwartz: in my opinion, /64's should never be allocated to end users, (just my worthless opinion ;)) dxtr: NOT ENOUGH IPS! bob^^: imho, it depends very much on who your end users are G: bob^^: even for commercial home ISPs bob^^: if they have a CPE of some variety doing routing, a /56
but if they're connected to an access LAN and have only one data point in a room, and are only allowed to use one system on it at a time, a /64 seems fine to me
our policy isn't actually defined just yet as some of our edge kit can't do v6 :( RandalSchwartz: I think comcast is going to allocation /64 in their initial ipv6 rollout, with /56 available for a simple request G: bob^^: oh yeah, but what I'm talking about is residential ISPs etc :) bob^^: imho, we should be using v6 to remove NAT and instead implementing proper firewalls G: even if only the first /64 is active by default bob^^: yeah, agreed G :) RandalSchwartz: just keep in mind... /64 is the *minimum* allocation, and needs to be per-segment G: RandalSchwartz: exactly RandalSchwartz: if you don't follow that, all sorts of nice things go away bob^^: indeed -: RandalSchwartz wanders off to work G: RandalSchwartz: well technically, you could use /96's or smaller for point-to-point right? bob^^: technically you can but i believe that's not recommended G: and route a /64 down that, but that'd get ugly iirc bob^^: yeah G: dxtr: RFC 3531 bob^^: there are some good documents on the RIPE web site for v6 allocation plans
along with 'how' and 'why' and 'why not' sections
well worth reading G: except that is an IPv6 RFC dxtr: RandalSchwartz: A VPS provider here in Sweden that brags about their native IPv6 connectivity and stuff handles out single IPv6 address'
Also, they cost like 10 cents each G: because there was a query on if a person switched a /30 to a /29 if the IPs would change, and the response was: "I'll see if there is space above it (usually there is, since we use rfc 3531 allocation method) dxtr: I sent them an e-mail explaining that "You're doing it wrong" G: dxtr: thats what Linode announced they would do, allocate a /128 per VPS, suddenly they changed their mind -: G just laughed like a madman when I saw that bob^^: i think a lot of people did that initially with v6 hehe G: nothing like a VPS provider that does things right (ala ARP) dxtr: :D
"A /128 PER VPS!? That's a lot of bits!" G: heh dxtr: "IT's MOAR THAN TINY /64!" ***: lteo has joined #arpnetworks
ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) RandalSchwartz: what costs 10 cents? Each single ipv6 /128? I don't think so. :) bob^^: we could build a new currency using a /64's worth ;) G: heh -: G registers a heap of IPv6 assignments as security in case we run out of IPv6 space... IPv6 black market here I come ;) RandalSchwartz: that's thinking long-term, I guess. :) bob^^: you know, that's something i was joking about with some other isp guys last week RandalSchwartz: or thinking whacky bob^^: if we give out SO MANY ipv6 addresses to so many stupid devices/people
then aren't we back in the same boat as with v4? ;) RandalSchwartz: I know you're joking. :) bob^^: ;) G: exactly, I'm proposing that I will invest in Human Stupidity! bob^^: it'll be nice to remove NAT
everything publically addressable, living the dream! G: if a NZ company starts doing IPv6 NAT, I'm getting into politics and going to lobby the Govt to legislate against IPv6 NAT :P bob^^: you just know it's going to happen
:( G: I'll also make sure as part of that they reintroduce the death penalty, and IPv6 NAT is eligable for such :P bob^^: G for president! RandalSchwartz: I wonder how long the domain names would have to be if we had one web site in each separate /64 bob^^: lol
good question RandalSchwartz: back of envelope... a /16 worth of /64 is 48 bits
each domain char is about 5 bits
so about 10 chars, using all possible combos :) G: bob^^: reckon it'd be a good policy eh? RandalSchwartz: now ... a /16 of /128...
112 bits...
24 meaningless chars. :)
so that's good. DNS will not be the bottleneck
"come visit us at b5kj3nnn3kadk213d.com" :)
kinda like the new emergency services number on the IT Crowd.
oh wait - dns is case sensitive.
yeah, 5 bits though. 6 if it was case sensitive G: RandalSchwartz: heh, that segment is brilliant RandalSchwartz: err. missing "not" in above sentence
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ
I love the callback in the next season where moss has to call emergency services... G: oh the Fire? RandalSchwartz: Yeah, I think that was it.
but I remember a quick reference to it a lot later too G: oh the Fire was the same episode RandalSchwartz: "better looking drivers"
Yeah - I think somewhere in season 4 it has a callback
but he says only the first few digits bob^^: IT Crowd is great :)
didn't realise you guys got it over there G: yeah, only problem I'd have is I'd have a second heart attack if she turned up :) RandalSchwartz: "as long as there's an internet, there's no pond..." :) G: RandalSchwartz: pretty sure Season 4 hasn't appeared in NZ bob^^: oh wait, there's a US version RandalSchwartz: the US version didn't even publish a pilot
sucked that bad bob^^: ahh
so you get the proper UK one? RandalSchwartz: of course bob^^: excellent :) G: "Oh, typical.... I wonder why it did that" *looks at label* "Made in UK" RandalSchwartz: within hours of it being on BBC. :) bob^^: hah, it's not even on the BBC here RandalSchwartz: you can also get sesason 1 and 4 on streaming netflix in the US G: "Is this the Emergency Services? And which country am I speaking to? Hello?" bob^^: i love the one with Sea Parks
where Roy builds all the models to try and work out how a water park could have caught fire G: bob^^: that much be season 4 bob^^: yup
tis
the episode is Italian for Beginners :) RandalSchwartz: roy gets obsessed a lot :) bob^^: yeah :) ***: ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang)
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