I pay in advance ,right?
with your soul. :)
and especially before "end of the world" :)
RandalSchwartz: I'm talking about my VPS, not my sis
sins*
Also, what RFC is it that up_the_irons is following regarding IP allocation?
aren't the ip allocation RFCs more for RIRs and not LIRs?
(i'm thinking of rfc2050 here btw)
probably the iana guidelines
idd
RIR's normally issue guidance to LIRs but it's not in the form of RFCs
(you guys are lucky not to have to deal with RIPE :(
I remember they were talking about RFCs for that a while ago
But I can't find it now :(
RFC2050 is guidance for internet registries (an RIR)
on how to issue IPs to ISPs/other customers (those are LIRs)
there's also 1518 (which is out of date and probably doesn't really apply these days) and another one i forget the number of atm
aight
I might be totally off here :)
are you just curious, or do you have some conflict, dxtr?
I'm just curious
dxtr: you are talking about the one where he reserves the next /30 to make a /29?
and that'd be just his inventory, not an allocation
he's already been allocated it. :)
RandalSchwartz: Alllocating I mean ofcourse. My head isn't a 100% clear today
dxtr: I seem to recall up_the_irons talking about an RFC that 'recommends' it as best-practice though
G: It might be that one
I know there is an RFC recommending /56 Service Provider to Customer IPv6 allocations
yeah - it's all different for v6
but it's 3 tier.  /64 if only ever one segment, /56 typical, and /48 if they're going to in turn also allocate out
yup
RandalSchwartz: in my opinion, /64's should never be allocated to end users, (just my worthless opinion ;))
NOT ENOUGH IPS!
imho, it depends very much on who your end users are
bob^^: even for commercial home ISPs
if they have a CPE of some variety doing routing, a /56
but if they're connected to an access LAN and have only one data point in a room, and are only allowed to use one system on it at a time, a /64 seems fine to me
our policy isn't actually defined just yet as some of our edge kit can't do v6 :(
I think comcast is going to allocation /64 in their initial ipv6 rollout, with /56 available for a simple request
bob^^: oh yeah, but what I'm talking about is residential ISPs etc :)
imho, we should be using v6 to remove NAT and instead implementing proper firewalls
even if only the first /64 is active by default
yeah, agreed G :)
just keep in mind... /64 is the *minimum* allocation, and needs to be per-segment
RandalSchwartz: exactly
if you don't follow that, all sorts of nice things go away
indeed
RandalSchwartz: well technically, you could use /96's or smaller for point-to-point right?
technically you can but i believe that's not recommended
and route a /64 down that, but that'd get ugly iirc
yeah
dxtr: RFC 3531
there are some good documents on the RIPE web site for v6 allocation plans
along with 'how' and 'why' and 'why not' sections
well worth reading
except that is an IPv6 RFC
RandalSchwartz: A VPS provider here in Sweden that brags about their native IPv6 connectivity and stuff handles out single IPv6 address'
Also, they cost like 10 cents each
because there was a query on if a person switched a /30 to a /29 if the IPs would change, and the response was: "I'll see if there is space above it (usually there is, since we use rfc 3531 allocation method)
I sent them an e-mail explaining that "You're doing it wrong"
dxtr: thats what Linode announced they would do, allocate a /128 per VPS, suddenly they changed their mind
i think a lot of people did that initially with v6 hehe
nothing like a VPS provider that does things right (ala ARP)
:D
"A /128 PER VPS!? That's a lot of bits!"
heh
"IT's MOAR THAN TINY /64!"
what costs 10 cents?  Each single ipv6 /128?  I don't think so. :)
we could build a new currency using a /64's worth ;)
heh
that's thinking long-term, I guess. :)
you know, that's something i was joking about with some other isp guys last week
or thinking whacky
if we give out SO MANY ipv6 addresses to so many stupid devices/people
then aren't we back in the same boat as with v4? ;)
I know you're joking. :)
;)
exactly, I'm proposing that I will invest in Human Stupidity!
it'll be nice to remove NAT
everything publically addressable, living the dream!
if a NZ company starts doing IPv6 NAT, I'm getting into politics and going to lobby the Govt to legislate against IPv6 NAT :P
you just know it's going to happen
:(
I'll also make sure as part of that they reintroduce the death penalty, and IPv6 NAT is eligable for such :P
G for president!
I wonder how long the domain names would have to be if we had one web site in each separate /64
lol
good question
back of envelope... a /16 worth of /64 is 48 bits
each domain char is about 5 bits
so about 10 chars, using all possible combos :)
bob^^: reckon it'd be a good policy eh?
now ... a /16 of /128...
112 bits...
24 meaningless chars. :)
so that's good.  DNS will not be the bottleneck
"come visit us at b5kj3nnn3kadk213d.com" :)
kinda like the new emergency services number on the IT Crowd.
oh wait - dns is case sensitive.
yeah, 5 bits though.  6 if it was case sensitive
RandalSchwartz: heh, that segment is brilliant
err.  missing "not" in above sentence
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ
I love the callback in the next season where moss has to call emergency services...
oh the Fire?
Yeah, I think that was it.
but I remember a quick reference to it a lot later too
oh the Fire was the same episode
"better looking drivers"
Yeah - I think somewhere in season 4 it has a callback
but he says only the first few digits
IT Crowd is great :)
didn't realise you guys got it over there
yeah, only problem I'd have is I'd have a second heart attack if she turned up :)
"as long as there's an internet, there's no pond..." :)
RandalSchwartz: pretty sure Season 4 hasn't appeared in NZ
oh wait, there's a US version
the US version didn't even publish a pilot
sucked that bad
ahh
so you get the proper UK one?
of course
excellent :)
"Oh, typical.... I wonder why it did that"  *looks at label* "Made in UK"
within hours of it being on BBC. :)
hah, it's not even on the BBC here
you can also get sesason 1 and 4 on streaming netflix in the US
"Is this the Emergency Services?  And which country am I speaking to?  Hello?"
i love the one with Sea Parks
where Roy builds all the models to try and work out how a water park could have caught fire
bob^^: that much be season 4
yup
tis
the episode is Italian for Beginners :)
roy gets obsessed a lot :)
yeah :)
up_the_irons: thanks
"xtreeeeme super logic!"