[00:31] *** EhtyarWRK has quit IRC (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.) [03:08] *** milki has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [04:28] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [05:58] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:09] I pay in advance ,right? [06:13] with your soul. :) [06:13] and especially before "end of the world" :) [06:22] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:24] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [06:25] RandalSchwartz: I'm talking about my VPS, not my sis [06:25] sins* [06:28] Also, what RFC is it that up_the_irons is following regarding IP allocation? [06:30] aren't the ip allocation RFCs more for RIRs and not LIRs? [06:30] * bob^^ could be wrong [06:30] (i'm thinking of rfc2050 here btw) [06:30] probably the iana guidelines [06:30] idd [06:31] RIR's normally issue guidance to LIRs but it's not in the form of RFCs [06:31] (you guys are lucky not to have to deal with RIPE :( [06:31] I remember they were talking about RFCs for that a while ago [06:31] But I can't find it now :( [06:32] RFC2050 is guidance for internet registries (an RIR) [06:32] on how to issue IPs to ISPs/other customers (those are LIRs) [06:32] there's also 1518 (which is out of date and probably doesn't really apply these days) and another one i forget the number of atm [06:32] aight [06:33] I might be totally off here :) [06:33] are you just curious, or do you have some conflict, dxtr? [06:33] I'm just curious [06:34] dxtr: you are talking about the one where he reserves the next /30 to make a /29? [06:35] and that'd be just his inventory, not an allocation [06:35] he's already been allocated it. :) [06:36] RandalSchwartz: Alllocating I mean ofcourse. My head isn't a 100% clear today [06:36] dxtr: I seem to recall up_the_irons talking about an RFC that 'recommends' it as best-practice though [06:37] G: It might be that one [06:38] I know there is an RFC recommending /56 Service Provider to Customer IPv6 allocations [06:39] yeah - it's all different for v6 [06:39] but it's 3 tier. /64 if only ever one segment, /56 typical, and /48 if they're going to in turn also allocate out [06:41] yup [06:42] RandalSchwartz: in my opinion, /64's should never be allocated to end users, (just my worthless opinion ;)) [06:42] NOT ENOUGH IPS! [06:42] imho, it depends very much on who your end users are [06:42] bob^^: even for commercial home ISPs [06:43] if they have a CPE of some variety doing routing, a /56 [06:43] but if they're connected to an access LAN and have only one data point in a room, and are only allowed to use one system on it at a time, a /64 seems fine to me [06:43] our policy isn't actually defined just yet as some of our edge kit can't do v6 :( [06:43] I think comcast is going to allocation /64 in their initial ipv6 rollout, with /56 available for a simple request [06:44] bob^^: oh yeah, but what I'm talking about is residential ISPs etc :) [06:44] imho, we should be using v6 to remove NAT and instead implementing proper firewalls [06:44] even if only the first /64 is active by default [06:44] yeah, agreed G :) [06:44] just keep in mind... /64 is the *minimum* allocation, and needs to be per-segment [06:45] RandalSchwartz: exactly [06:45] if you don't follow that, all sorts of nice things go away [06:45] indeed [06:45] * RandalSchwartz wanders off to work [06:45] RandalSchwartz: well technically, you could use /96's or smaller for point-to-point right? [06:45] technically you can but i believe that's not recommended [06:45] and route a /64 down that, but that'd get ugly iirc [06:46] yeah [06:46] dxtr: RFC 3531 [06:46] there are some good documents on the RIPE web site for v6 allocation plans [06:46] along with 'how' and 'why' and 'why not' sections [06:46] well worth reading [06:47] except that is an IPv6 RFC [06:48] RandalSchwartz: A VPS provider here in Sweden that brags about their native IPv6 connectivity and stuff handles out single IPv6 address' [06:48] Also, they cost like 10 cents each [06:48] because there was a query on if a person switched a /30 to a /29 if the IPs would change, and the response was: "I'll see if there is space above it (usually there is, since we use rfc 3531 allocation method) [06:48] I sent them an e-mail explaining that "You're doing it wrong" [06:48] dxtr: thats what Linode announced they would do, allocate a /128 per VPS, suddenly they changed their mind [06:49] * G just laughed like a madman when I saw that [06:49] i think a lot of people did that initially with v6 hehe [06:50] nothing like a VPS provider that does things right (ala ARP) [06:50] :D [06:50] "A /128 PER VPS!? That's a lot of bits!" [06:50] heh [06:50] "IT's MOAR THAN TINY /64!" [06:55] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [07:11] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:11] what costs 10 cents? Each single ipv6 /128? I don't think so. :) [07:14] we could build a new currency using a /64's worth ;) [07:14] heh [07:15] * G registers a heap of IPv6 assignments as security in case we run out of IPv6 space... IPv6 black market here I come ;) [07:15] that's thinking long-term, I guess. :) [07:15] you know, that's something i was joking about with some other isp guys last week [07:15] or thinking whacky [07:15] if we give out SO MANY ipv6 addresses to so many stupid devices/people [07:16] then aren't we back in the same boat as with v4? ;) [07:16] I know you're joking. :) [07:16] ;) [07:16] exactly, I'm proposing that I will invest in Human Stupidity! [07:16] it'll be nice to remove NAT [07:16] everything publically addressable, living the dream! [07:17] if a NZ company starts doing IPv6 NAT, I'm getting into politics and going to lobby the Govt to legislate against IPv6 NAT :P [07:17] you just know it's going to happen [07:17] :( [07:18] I'll also make sure as part of that they reintroduce the death penalty, and IPv6 NAT is eligable for such :P [07:18] G for president! [07:19] I wonder how long the domain names would have to be if we had one web site in each separate /64 [07:19] lol [07:19] good question [07:19] back of envelope... a /16 worth of /64 is 48 bits [07:19] each domain char is about 5 bits [07:20] so about 10 chars, using all possible combos :) [07:20] bob^^: reckon it'd be a good policy eh? [07:20] now ... a /16 of /128... [07:21] 112 bits... [07:21] 24 meaningless chars. :) [07:21] so that's good. DNS will not be the bottleneck [07:21] "come visit us at b5kj3nnn3kadk213d.com" :) [07:22] kinda like the new emergency services number on the IT Crowd. [07:22] oh wait - dns is case sensitive. [07:22] yeah, 5 bits though. 6 if it was case sensitive [07:22] RandalSchwartz: heh, that segment is brilliant [07:23] err. missing "not" in above sentence [07:23] ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ [07:23] I love the callback in the next season where moss has to call emergency services... [07:23] oh the Fire? [07:24] Yeah, I think that was it. [07:24] but I remember a quick reference to it a lot later too [07:25] oh the Fire was the same episode [07:25] "better looking drivers" [07:25] Yeah - I think somewhere in season 4 it has a callback [07:25] but he says only the first few digits [07:25] IT Crowd is great :) [07:25] didn't realise you guys got it over there [07:25] yeah, only problem I'd have is I'd have a second heart attack if she turned up :) [07:26] "as long as there's an internet, there's no pond..." :) [07:26] RandalSchwartz: pretty sure Season 4 hasn't appeared in NZ [07:26] oh wait, there's a US version [07:26] the US version didn't even publish a pilot [07:26] sucked that bad [07:26] ahh [07:26] so you get the proper UK one? [07:26] of course [07:26] excellent :) [07:27] "Oh, typical.... I wonder why it did that" *looks at label* "Made in UK" [07:27] within hours of it being on BBC. :) [07:27] hah, it's not even on the BBC here [07:27] you can also get sesason 1 and 4 on streaming netflix in the US [07:27] "Is this the Emergency Services? And which country am I speaking to? Hello?" [07:29] i love the one with Sea Parks [07:29] where Roy builds all the models to try and work out how a water park could have caught fire [07:29] bob^^: that much be season 4 [07:29] yup [07:29] tis [07:29] the episode is Italian for Beginners :) [07:29] roy gets obsessed a lot :) [07:32] yeah :) [08:11] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:18] *** Crshman has left [08:21] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [08:27] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [08:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [08:43] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [09:40] *** dferris has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [09:41] *** dferris has joined #arpnetworks [09:52] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [09:59] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:31] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [10:53] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:57] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:42] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [11:49] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [17:02] *** EhtyarWRK has joined #arpnetworks [17:03] *** EhtyarWR1 has joined #arpnetworks [17:21] *** EhtyarWRK has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:54] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:54] up_the_irons: thanks [18:57] * RandalSchwartz waves [18:59] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [19:02] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [19:31] * Yamazaki-kun requests artillery support against XSL. 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