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| dxtr | I pay in advance ,right? | [06:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | with your soul. :)
and especially before "end of the world" :) | [06:13] |
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| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: I'm talking about my VPS, not my sis
sins* Also, what RFC is it that up_the_irons is following regarding IP allocation? | [06:25] |
| bob^^ | aren't the ip allocation RFCs more for RIRs and not LIRs?
bob^^ could be wrong (i'm thinking of rfc2050 here btw) | [06:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | probably the iana guidelines | [06:30] |
| bob^^ | idd
RIR's normally issue guidance to LIRs but it's not in the form of RFCs (you guys are lucky not to have to deal with RIPE :( | [06:30] |
| dxtr | I remember they were talking about RFCs for that a while ago
But I can't find it now :( | [06:31] |
| bob^^ | RFC2050 is guidance for internet registries (an RIR)
on how to issue IPs to ISPs/other customers (those are LIRs) there's also 1518 (which is out of date and probably doesn't really apply these days) and another one i forget the number of atm | [06:32] |
| dxtr | aight
I might be totally off here :) | [06:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | are you just curious, or do you have some conflict, dxtr? | [06:33] |
| dxtr | I'm just curious | [06:33] |
| G | dxtr: you are talking about the one where he reserves the next /30 to make a /29? | [06:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | and that'd be just his inventory, not an allocation
he's already been allocated it. :) | [06:35] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Alllocating I mean ofcourse. My head isn't a 100% clear today | [06:36] |
| G | dxtr: I seem to recall up_the_irons talking about an RFC that 'recommends' it as best-practice though | [06:36] |
| dxtr | G: It might be that one | [06:37] |
| G | I know there is an RFC recommending /56 Service Provider to Customer IPv6 allocations | [06:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - it's all different for v6
but it's 3 tier. /64 if only ever one segment, /56 typical, and /48 if they're going to in turn also allocate out | [06:39] |
| bob^^ | yup | [06:41] |
| G | RandalSchwartz: in my opinion, /64's should never be allocated to end users, (just my worthless opinion ;)) | [06:42] |
| dxtr | NOT ENOUGH IPS! | [06:42] |
| bob^^ | imho, it depends very much on who your end users are | [06:42] |
| G | bob^^: even for commercial home ISPs | [06:42] |
| bob^^ | if they have a CPE of some variety doing routing, a /56
but if they're connected to an access LAN and have only one data point in a room, and are only allowed to use one system on it at a time, a /64 seems fine to me our policy isn't actually defined just yet as some of our edge kit can't do v6 :( | [06:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think comcast is going to allocation /64 in their initial ipv6 rollout, with /56 available for a simple request | [06:43] |
| G | bob^^: oh yeah, but what I'm talking about is residential ISPs etc :) | [06:44] |
| bob^^ | imho, we should be using v6 to remove NAT and instead implementing proper firewalls | [06:44] |
| G | even if only the first /64 is active by default | [06:44] |
| bob^^ | yeah, agreed G :) | [06:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | just keep in mind... /64 is the *minimum* allocation, and needs to be per-segment | [06:44] |
| G | RandalSchwartz: exactly | [06:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | if you don't follow that, all sorts of nice things go away | [06:45] |
| bob^^ | indeed | [06:45] |
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| G | RandalSchwartz: well technically, you could use /96's or smaller for point-to-point right? | [06:45] |
| bob^^ | technically you can but i believe that's not recommended | [06:45] |
| G | and route a /64 down that, but that'd get ugly iirc | [06:45] |
| bob^^ | yeah | [06:46] |
| G | dxtr: RFC 3531 | [06:46] |
| bob^^ | there are some good documents on the RIPE web site for v6 allocation plans
along with 'how' and 'why' and 'why not' sections well worth reading | [06:46] |
| G | except that is an IPv6 RFC | [06:47] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: A VPS provider here in Sweden that brags about their native IPv6 connectivity and stuff handles out single IPv6 address'
Also, they cost like 10 cents each | [06:48] |
| G | because there was a query on if a person switched a /30 to a /29 if the IPs would change, and the response was: "I'll see if there is space above it (usually there is, since we use rfc 3531 allocation method) | [06:48] |
| dxtr | I sent them an e-mail explaining that "You're doing it wrong" | [06:48] |
| G | dxtr: thats what Linode announced they would do, allocate a /128 per VPS, suddenly they changed their mind
G just laughed like a madman when I saw that | [06:48] |
| bob^^ | i think a lot of people did that initially with v6 hehe | [06:49] |
| G | nothing like a VPS provider that does things right (ala ARP) | [06:50] |
| dxtr | :D
"A /128 PER VPS!? That's a lot of bits!" | [06:50] |
| G | heh | [06:50] |
| dxtr | "IT's MOAR THAN TINY /64!" | [06:50] |
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| RandalSchwartz | what costs 10 cents? Each single ipv6 /128? I don't think so. :) | [07:11] |
| bob^^ | we could build a new currency using a /64's worth ;) | [07:14] |
| G | heh
G registers a heap of IPv6 assignments as security in case we run out of IPv6 space... IPv6 black market here I come ;) | [07:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's thinking long-term, I guess. :) | [07:15] |
| bob^^ | you know, that's something i was joking about with some other isp guys last week | [07:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | or thinking whacky | [07:15] |
| bob^^ | if we give out SO MANY ipv6 addresses to so many stupid devices/people
then aren't we back in the same boat as with v4? ;) | [07:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | I know you're joking. :) | [07:16] |
| bob^^ | ;) | [07:16] |
| G | exactly, I'm proposing that I will invest in Human Stupidity! | [07:16] |
| bob^^ | it'll be nice to remove NAT
everything publically addressable, living the dream! | [07:16] |
| G | if a NZ company starts doing IPv6 NAT, I'm getting into politics and going to lobby the Govt to legislate against IPv6 NAT :P | [07:17] |
| bob^^ | you just know it's going to happen
:( | [07:17] |
| G | I'll also make sure as part of that they reintroduce the death penalty, and IPv6 NAT is eligable for such :P | [07:18] |
| bob^^ | G for president! | [07:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | I wonder how long the domain names would have to be if we had one web site in each separate /64 | [07:19] |
| bob^^ | lol
good question | [07:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | back of envelope... a /16 worth of /64 is 48 bits
each domain char is about 5 bits so about 10 chars, using all possible combos :) | [07:19] |
| G | bob^^: reckon it'd be a good policy eh? | [07:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | now ... a /16 of /128...
112 bits... 24 meaningless chars. :) so that's good. DNS will not be the bottleneck "come visit us at b5kj3nnn3kadk213d.com" :) kinda like the new emergency services number on the IT Crowd. oh wait - dns is case sensitive. yeah, 5 bits though. 6 if it was case sensitive | [07:20] |
| G | RandalSchwartz: heh, that segment is brilliant | [07:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | err. missing "not" in above sentence
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ I love the callback in the next season where moss has to call emergency services... | [07:23] |
| G | oh the Fire? | [07:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yeah, I think that was it.
but I remember a quick reference to it a lot later too | [07:24] |
| G | oh the Fire was the same episode | [07:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | "better looking drivers"
Yeah - I think somewhere in season 4 it has a callback but he says only the first few digits | [07:25] |
| bob^^ | IT Crowd is great :)
didn't realise you guys got it over there | [07:25] |
| G | yeah, only problem I'd have is I'd have a second heart attack if she turned up :) | [07:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | "as long as there's an internet, there's no pond..." :) | [07:26] |
| G | RandalSchwartz: pretty sure Season 4 hasn't appeared in NZ | [07:26] |
| bob^^ | oh wait, there's a US version | [07:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | the US version didn't even publish a pilot
sucked that bad | [07:26] |
| bob^^ | ahh
so you get the proper UK one? | [07:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | of course | [07:26] |
| bob^^ | excellent :) | [07:26] |
| G | "Oh, typical.... I wonder why it did that" *looks at label* "Made in UK" | [07:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | within hours of it being on BBC. :) | [07:27] |
| bob^^ | hah, it's not even on the BBC here | [07:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | you can also get sesason 1 and 4 on streaming netflix in the US | [07:27] |
| G | "Is this the Emergency Services? And which country am I speaking to? Hello?" | [07:27] |
| bob^^ | i love the one with Sea Parks
where Roy builds all the models to try and work out how a water park could have caught fire | [07:29] |
| G | bob^^: that much be season 4 | [07:29] |
| bob^^ | yup
tis the episode is Italian for Beginners :) | [07:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | roy gets obsessed a lot :) | [07:29] |
| bob^^ | yeah :) | [07:32] |
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