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[11:43] RandalSchwartz: until i ping my box [11:43] via ipv6 [11:43] all connections ipv6 out and in fail [11:43] all traffic for that matter [11:43] its been happening since i first got my VPS, but i just ignored it [11:43] because it didn't bother me and still doesn't, i have another box constantly pining it ipv6 [11:44] just curious as to what might cause something like that [11:51] yeah - that's weird [11:51] you have a static route upstream? [11:52] ... ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::5054:ff:fe27:9007%em0 [11:52] something like that [11:52] but with a different addr? [11:52] and do you have any firewalls or anything? [11:59] pf is enabled [11:59] but nothing funky [12:00] the route is the one provided to me by arpnetworks [12:00] it just semed odd [12:01] im on OpenBSD also [12:07] oh - not freebsd [12:07] less help then :( [12:08] yeah [12:08] :P [12:09] there was some talk that the virtual port 0xc040-0xc07f mem 0xf2020000-0xf203ffff irq 11 at device 3.0 on pci0> didn't provide the right signals for openbsd [12:09] like something is odd in their driver [12:09] so maybe it also impacts the v6 stack [12:09] I might be misremembering though [12:10] I know that some older openbsd had troubles with qemu [12:11] as recent as sep 2009, the advice was adding: model=ne2k_pci [12:11] rather than the default [12:25] hmmm [12:25] well its really not a problem for me [12:25] just interesting [13:15] it would be interesting to see a list somewhere (unless I've missed it) of the peers arpnetworks peers with. [13:16] routeviews isn't sufficient? [13:20] toddf: i'll add it to the site today [13:24] pilgrimd: I'm not a bgpd ninja. [13:27] up_the_irons: sweet, I have long suspected it would be an impressive list, but .. ;-) [13:27] :) [13:27] I really want to build phone apps using tropo.com - I just need a real project now. :) [13:29] If I purchase a second VPS, is there a way to guarantee it's on a host diverse from my existing VPS? [13:30] mine have all been [13:30] so point me to some colo faq or something but .. a client of mine has colos in a cabinet in a cage that has some new cogent cabinets installed recently. but the colo facility is not using cogent as upstream, simply hosting cogent equipment and fiber and permitting others to run cabling to cogent at this location. I guess this means Oklahoma City got another backbone in town and fiber should be coming in and out of the building, but nothing ... [13:30] ... much i could make use of unless I wanted to be an arpnetworks to peer directly with them or something? [13:30] 4 different VPS, 4 different hosts [13:30] but I imagine you could just put that in the notes on the purchase [13:31] I also recall additional cpus were available for a fee per month in the vps. I don't see that listed in the pricing of additional resources. [13:32] (I just price compared a physical system at 1and1 vs arp. 2 250gb disks, 1TB of bandwidth, 2048GB mem, 2 cpus .. 1and1 - $190/mo .. arp - $290/mo, though I think there could be some discounts, not that much *grin*. client is duly impressed with smaller one off server pricing in any event.) [13:33] toddf: i could probably match that [13:34] if you know of any 1and1 customers, point out to them with much humor that 1and1 just revamped their control panel and _removed_ access to remote reboot the systems, they have a bug report to put it back, but in the meantime you have to call them to do something you could formerly do on the website. hahahaha. [13:34] toddf: but a dedicated physical system in an advantage in itself, even if i do price match it [13:34] lol [13:51] up_the_irons: I'm quite clear on that point. however the initial conversation was 'look, arpnetworks is much cheaper' then realizing its not was surreal. [13:52] toddf: in general, on higher end plans, i think people tend to go dedicated instead of vps, b/c the price difference is not that much [13:53] maybe it would be different if i lowered the price of plan #7 (the $90), or I included more resources [13:53] as I said the other day (forget if it was here or not) once things start to approach $100/mo I start to glaze over. I've seen too many $100/mo 10mbit unmetered 4U physical systems (if I supply the system) offerings, and I can pack a lot in 4U [13:54] I was actually toying with this idea: 4GB RAM, 120GB disk, 1TB bandwidth for $99. that doubles the RAM of my current $90 plan and includes 1TB of bandwidth instead of 800GB [13:55] toddf: yeah exactly [13:55] up_the_irons: from what I've seen you do things in a very calculated way. I suspect you could make money off that plan. I have a client that is an isp that doesn't know how to calculate money making deals properly. [13:55] toddf: although a lot of people don't want to deal with the hardware [13:55] lol [13:55] toddf: yeah i know the type [13:56] i used to suck at it too, but i guess i got better ;) [13:56] I'm fine dealing with the hardware if it is in reach. I actually take care of a full cabinet in downtown OKC. it could be a fulltime gig if they started making more money. as it is, I do emergency and some stuff as they give me breadcrumbs in comparison. ;-) [13:58] up_the_irons: I suspect if you noted that you could provide dsl with static IP's (which most businesses want for vpns and such) cheaper than the incumbent ISP, you'd be marketing like crazy to businesses. yet they .. complain how few customers they have, and aren't even happy with their own offerings and can't fathom the price point of adding more bandwidth from AT&T to their dsl termination equipment. yet they increase their upstream and ... [13:58] ... wonder why their dsl customers don't get faster. I explain, but they forget or don't listen. their dime, but still sad. [14:00] toddf: ouch [14:01] let's see what the twitterverse says about my prospective plan [14:01] ;-) [14:38] no replies so far, guess it sucked ;) [14:38] but come on, 4GB of RAM, that's pretty hot [14:39] slicehost wants $250 for that [14:41] lol [14:41] 250$ for 4gb of ram? [14:42] haha [14:49] I think twitter must be slow, I don't see it [14:51] fail whale [14:51] sounds like a nice plan :) [14:54] up_the_irons, what's your twitter? [14:56] I see it if I go directly to twitter.com/bsdvps [14:58] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: BAMPF!) [14:59] up_the_irons, is that you in the profile pic for up_the_irons twitter? you look fucking mean dude haha [15:46] pjs: LOL [15:46] pjs: yeah that's me [15:47] pjs: when I was director of tech. at DigiSynd, they had a photo shoot to make the new bio pages. So they put me in the server room and put in blue lighting. [15:48] had me pose for the shot [15:48] lol [16:06] *** EhtyarWRK has joined #arpnetworks [16:09] hah nice [16:09] you look like a total BOFH [16:16] now hear this. puppet is fucking awesome. That is all. [16:18] I'm adding 4 new servers a week. I have a kickstart script, it loads up puppet. puppet takes over, builds all the funsies, adds users, groups, software, and configs, then goes out and adds the system to my opsview monitoring platform. And of course, adds the new system to the bacula backup system. [16:19] if I setup a PXE environment to boot a linux image, I could almost plug the machine in, turn it on, and walk away. [16:26] *** freedomcode has joined #arpnetworks [16:30] *** niccos has joined #arpnetworks [16:31] any admins around? [16:32] *** reardencode has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:33] well, if anyone sees this anytime soon, I sent in a support request by email on friday and still have not heard anything yet. [16:36] jpalmer, you use puppet on fbsd? [16:37] pjs: no, we're 100% CentOS. but I've seen the port in freebsd [16:39] jpalmer, yea I have it installed on fbsd. Trying to get the hang of using it in fbsd environment. Mostly just providing a provider [16:40] when you say "providing a provider" what specifically are you trying to have it do? [16:42] jpalmer, ie, installing packages [16:43] provider => freebsd [16:44] hmm, do you need to override the default on freebsd? [16:45] generally it'll default to something appropriate for the platform. you only specify 'provider' to override it [16:45] Oh, you know what, I didn't even try it without the provider [16:45] that makes sense though.. I'm still fairly new to puppet [16:47] ok, so in a quick glance of the docs, puppet defaults to using pkg_add -r on fbsd. [16:48] provider would be used, if say (for example) you've defined a custom site where you build and host packages. [16:48] * pjs nods [16:48] gotcha [16:48] personally, I don't like pkg_add, aside from the initial build of a machine. so, I'd probably investigate a way to make puppet default to using ports.. but thats just me [16:49] jpalmer, I agree.. I remember reading there is a ports provider [16:50] I'd be seriously uprised if there wasn't, but I can't speak with any authority on it. [16:52] only thing I think might be hard are the config options that ports can pop up. I guess you can just set them in the package class or something [16:53] niccos: really? i don't see any requests in the queue, can you please re-send (and sorry) [16:56] it was an email sent from ftalons@gmail.com [16:56] I can que it also though [16:56] sec [16:56] pjs: you can use puppets 'File' directive to create/populate the /var/db/ports//options file as appropriate. [16:57] pjs: just be sure to use the 'require' directive as appropriate, to also set options for any software that port would depend on. [16:58] up_the_irons: I placed it in support discussions [16:59] I also need to update payment info [16:59] niccos: can you paste the link? i'll then take care of it [17:01] http://support.arpnetworks.com/discussions/support/2749-upgrading-vps?unresolve=true [17:01] thanks [17:01] np, thank you [17:02] niccos: please see the following and tell me how you would like the disk upgraded: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/how-do-i-upgrade-or-downgrade-my-vps [17:03] just resize it, im going to reinstall that server anyways [17:03] can you also change my install media? [17:04] to [17:04] http://archlinux.supsec.org/iso/2010.05/archlinux-2010.05-core-i686.iso [17:04] niccos: OK [17:09] pjs: did it work without the provider? [17:11] jpalmer, ahhh right.. good thinking :) [17:11] jpalmer, I haven't tested it yet.. I'll toy with it in the next day or so [17:12] pjs: cool. btw, the people in #puppet are really good. and James turnbell sits in the channel. (he's the author of 2 puppet books) [17:14] jpalmer, ahh. is the second book relevant for modern puppet versions? I was told not to read the first one because it's 2 years old. [17:15] pj: I started with the first, and just bought the second. I think the second one is laid out a bit better, and much more 'modern' [17:15] jpalmer, when was it released? has to be pretty recent right? [17:15] (the second one was written using 2.6.2, 2.6.8 is the current version. [17:15] last week, I believe. [17:15] ahh nice [17:15] I'll buy it asap [17:15] thanks [17:16] np [17:16] let me know when you're ready to buy a book on bacula :P [17:17] *** niccos_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:17] *** niccos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:18] *** niccos_ is now known as niccos [17:22] jpalmer, hah you wrote one? [17:28] pjs: in the process of it. [17:28] jpalmer, how about you let me know when it's for sale and I'll just buy it.. I should learn how to use bacula anyways :) [17:29] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [17:31] niccos: ticket closed, all done [17:32] thank you! [17:32] now [17:32] one last thing [17:32] I need to update payment info [17:32] lol [17:41] niccos: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/how-do-i-update-my-credit-card-billing-information [17:41] thank you [17:43] done, and thanks again [17:43] *** niccos has quit IRC () [17:47] bob^^: i got an Extreme X350 48 port through a VAR for $1575 USD :) almost $400 less then the best price I found online [17:47] bob^^: it pays to contact Extreme ;) [17:56] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [17:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:08] up_the_irons, so I'm finally getting around to ordering my extra vps's from you.. all good? (I know you said you needed to get a new server online) [18:14] pjs: yep, it came online yesterday actually, order away!! [18:15] up_the_irons, ok, so I just need to submit 1 order correct.. and in the notes give all the details and what IP's I want.. do I need to input a proper CC again or can you just add them to my account (which already has my CC info) [18:15] pjs: you can put in a fake cc, i make sure to add it to your account [18:16] pjs: so yeah, 1 order, in the notes put which IPs go where [18:16] up_the_irons, awesome.. [18:16] pjs: choose the actual plan you want though [18:16] ok.. I'll want different plans tho.. ie, 2 768 and 1 1G [18:17] pjs: in this case, it is best to submit seperate orders (one for each plan), just so there is no error [18:18] otherwise i have to manually key in the order specifics, which is subject to human error, heh [18:18] ok.. do you need anything in the notes to identify my account? [18:18] pjs: just use the same email address [18:19] ok, perfect [18:19] cool [18:19] up_the_irons, what about using my existing vps image.. do I just note that and give it's IP? [18:20] pjs: you want me to clone it? [18:20] Yea [18:20] pjs: is it a 5GB one? [18:20] no, it's 1G ram one [18:21] pjs: ok, only trouble with that is i can't clone the volume and make it smaller, only bigger [18:21] Ohhh ok [18:21] hrmm, shit [18:21] ok, don't sweat the clone then [18:22] ok [18:22] up_the_irons, ok so I am gonna send in an order for 2 768's (in one order, ok?), 1 1G order, and 1 512M order [18:22] pjs: some fancy use of tar may get you want you want, but i'll admit i'm not that advanced ;) [18:23] pjs: sure, that works [18:23] pjs: so 4 in total? [18:23] up_the_irons, all good.. I just didn't want to buildworld 4 times :) [18:23] yea, 4 total [18:26] pjs: lol, i wonder what that would do to i/o on the host ;) [18:27] * up_the_irons gets to work [18:28] haha yea.. I need to get it done though :) [18:30] done and done :) [18:41] first one is baking [18:45] second one is baking... [18:58] third one done [18:59] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:05] and fourth one is done [19:20] what is it that you guys use for firewalls etc again? pfSense right? [19:38] YES [19:38] G: not to you [19:38] ;) [19:39] to this: [19:39] for i in `cat sh-ip-bgp-sum.txt | awk '{print $3}' | sort -n `; do echo -n "

ASN $i: "; CO=$(lynx -dump as$i.peeringdb.net | grep 'Company Name' | sed 's/^.*Company Name *$.*$$/\1/'); echo "$CO

"; done [19:39] peering list generated in one shot [19:39] i know toddf would be impressed [19:40] up_the_irons: haha :) [19:40] but pfSense is the one you guys frequently talk about right? [19:43] G: i think they talk about just 'pf' [19:44] ahhhh that makes more sense [19:45] up_the_irons: Ha, nice. [19:45] mhoran: :) [19:45] working smarter, not harder, people [19:47] I like pf [19:47] Same here. [19:47] Though I'm lazy and run m0n0wall at home. [19:47] I've been meaning to check out pfsense but that'd mean I'd have to take down my router. :) [19:47] up_the_irons, btw, do you block port 25 for any reason? I notice on my existing VPS that I can't seem to connect to port 25 on my box.. all my other pf rules work fine and as expected [19:47] pjs: no [19:48] up_the_irons, I didn't think so.. ok, I'll figure it out [19:48] pjs: your ISP blocking it? [19:48] up_the_irons: Oh wow I totally missed that you introduced a rDNS tab in the portal. And you probably did that ... a year ago. Haha. [19:49] mhoran: only about 2-3 months I think actually [19:49] mhoran: actually i did it when jpalmer was on his honeymoon (like 3 months ago) [19:49] G, possible.. though I don't think so [19:49] Whew. OK. I feel better now. [19:49] mhoran: so when he got back he wouldn't have to do any more rdns tickets ;) [19:49] Heh. [19:50] MAN, that was a long week ;) [19:50] G, haha.. yea it was the ISP.. silly me [19:50] pjs: it's annoying how ISPs do that, but it makes some sense [19:51] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [19:51] use the submission port of getting mail from remote users, use the 25 smtp port for getting mail from other servers [19:58] toddf: http://arpnetworks.com/peering [20:07] up_the_irons: Nice! [20:09] We brought up our 10gbps Limelight Networks uplink today, pretty nice peering to you across the country. [20:13] up_the_irons: a long week, I'm sure. but look how quickly the number of support tickets dropped after implementing it. [20:14] up_the_irons: that is _insane_ wow. quite a nice list. [20:29] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:44] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit) [20:47] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [21:02] up_the_irons: btw, is that a typo in ARP's peeringdb listing? I swear that is an o not a 0 in the IP for PacketExchange :) [21:28] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [21:51] win 31 [22:03] *** Zuul has joined #arpnetworks [22:05] *** ThePing has joined #arpnetworks [22:05] *** ThePing has left [22:24] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:27] *** phreak has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) [22:50] *** phreak has joined #arpnetworks