[00:19] *** vcs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [00:20] *** vcs has joined #arpnetworks [00:23] *** EhtyarWRK has quit IRC (Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!) [00:26] *** doos has joined #arpnetworks [00:55] *** nbari|away is now known as nbari [01:00] I am trying to reinstall my os (freeBSD 8.2) but getting and unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev! [01:00] any ideas of how to solve that ? [01:01] does bsdlabel say that partition exists? [01:01] I am on the installation window (FreeBSD Disklable Editor) and at the top says Disk: ad0 Partition name: ad0s1 Freee: 0 blocks (0MB) [01:03] ok, what does it list for existing partitions? [01:03] I click on the Auto and creates them [01:03] but when i click W [01:04] I get the error there [01:06] could it be an error with how the VPS is configured? [01:07] During installation, you're supposed to press Q to finish that step. You don't write the label at this point. [01:08] i initiali did the q [01:08] but since not work I am trying the w [01:10] What didn't work after you pressed Q to finsh the labelling step? [01:11] I selected a minimal setup and later I got that error [01:11] After what point did you get the error? When it occurs matters. [01:11] i think I have to clenaupt the GEOM label [01:12] I got the error just after selecting the installationg media [01:12] acd0 [01:12] I get the User Confirmation Requested with the Last Chance! .... [01:13] and I get the error there [01:13] Ok. Then it occured when sysinstall tried to write the partition table and label to disk. [01:13] Is there anything on the disk you want to keep? [01:14] a freebsd with zfs [01:14] And you're installing over it? [01:14] yes [01:14] Have you backed up the old image? [01:14] I am moving from amd64 to i386 [01:15] mm how, how to backup the image ? if i am right that is not supporte with arpnetworks [01:15] You'd need to rsync or tar+sftp anything you want to keep to another machine. [01:15] yes I have done that [01:16] but a 10 min setup is taking more because of this unexpected error [01:16] So then you have backed up everything you want to keep? [01:16] yes [01:17] Ok, then reboot, boot from the install ISO and drop into the FixIt shell. Use dd to zero out the beginning of the disk, then reboot again and go through the normal install process. [01:18] is what i am tryiing but dd not working [01:18] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-February/054692.html [01:18] I am following that [01:19] i am getting a dd not found [01:19] Because the FixIt shell doesn't have a complete environment configured. [01:20] You need to invoke dd with the full path: /bin/dd [01:20] same not working [01:20] something wire going here [01:20] What's the complete command you're typing and what is the exact text of the error you're getting? [01:20] : /bin/dd [01:21] dd: not found [01:21] even the ls not working [01:22] ok, type the following: [01:23] also whtn trying to mount the CD for geting the live enviroment is not working [01:23] You booted from the live CD. [01:23] no, a instalation disk [01:24] disk1 [01:24] can I get something from the net insidethe sysintall to fix it ? [01:24] dd might be in /mnt/bin or /mnt2/bin, I can never remember exactly where. [01:25] ok [01:29] mmmm the support team could restore the disk right ? [01:29] is the other alternative but the issue is the time right ? [01:29] Did /mnt/bin/dd or /mnt2/bin/dd work? [01:30] no [01:30] http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?23,28390,28391 [01:30] seems that my installation diks on the emergency shell does not have the dd [01:31] don't use the emergency shell, use the fixit option on the main menu. [01:31] ok let me rebbot [01:34] mmm the loader protpm [01:34] ? [01:46] i tried to enter the "bios" but no option there [01:49] I think you're going to do better just asking them to reload your VPS with the OS you want. [01:49] the first time everything ran perfect [01:49] maybe just a flush tho the disk could help [01:50] so i can proceed [01:51] the only problem is that I will have to wait a lot for that [01:52] You're having difficult repairing the VPS yourself, so that really just leaves having them reload it for you. [01:52] just the issue with the disk [01:53] could be nice to select from a pools of isos with to moutn [01:54] that way I could try some more altenatives instead of bothering the IT guys [01:54] Email them. I don't work for ARPN. [01:55] I have already done that but as you probably know they take a lot of time to reply [02:15] up_the_irons: great :) let me know if you buy one/need a hand with config on it :) [02:55] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [03:10] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [03:27] *** vcs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:36] *** vcs has joined #arpnetworks [03:40] anyone from ARPN here ? [03:57] up_the_irons [04:03] mmm some one awake :D [04:04] is just tha i need to reinstall the VPS but can found a way to flush/clean the disk since i keep geetting a Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev! [04:13] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [04:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [04:44] *** niccos has left [04:50] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:56] *** coobra has joined #arpnetworks [04:56] *** coobra has quit IRC (Changing host) [04:56] *** coobra has joined #arpnetworks [04:59] *** coobra_ has joined #arpnetworks [05:01] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [05:01] *** coobra_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [05:02] *** coobra has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [05:11] nbari - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ [05:11] I use that (repeatedly :) [05:12] the gpart erases the disk [05:12] the problem that I have only the Emergency Holographic Shell [05:12] no more [05:12] did you mount the DVD, or something else? [05:12] you have to mount the full DVD to get a fixit shell [05:12] unfortattelly just have the dis1 of the iso [05:12] yeah, that won't work [05:13] email support@ to have them put on the dvd [05:13] I will ask to mount the dvd [05:13] hope they wake up early :D [05:13] ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org//pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz [05:13] that one should work right ? [05:13] that's it [05:14] it has the install stuff, and the live filesystem for the fixit shell [05:15] later just a gpart destroy ad0 should make the work right ? [05:16] You won't need it [05:16] the gpart create wipes the disk [05:17] just follow these instructions - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ [05:17] except the ifconfig line [05:17] is just that i am "downgrading" from zfs to UFZ [05:17] and you don' tneed to do step 7 at all [05:17] UFS [05:17] oh you're not using ZFS? [05:17] I thought you wanted that [05:17] must've misread [05:17] currently I have [05:18] and working fine [05:18] but i think is to much for 1GB ram and also for my small apps [05:47] randalschwartz: summary fo backlog: he worked fine for 1+ years and now has issues, and is blaming zfs, with no clues to go on other than unresponsive vps [05:47] s/fo/of/ [05:48] odd [05:48] even tuned zfs for small memory? [05:51] I didn't see that, but I could have missed something, got tired of repeating the same advice, so I walked away [06:00] no blamming zfs [06:00] zfs worked perfec [06:01] is just that i pretend to use more the VPS and would like to get out the most of it (perfomance) and amd64/with zfs besides working perfect consumes more resources than i386 with UFS [06:02] but bessides that zfs worked excellent with jails etc no complains about it [06:03] ah. performance. I missed that. go go performance. [06:06] right no ZFS issues :) [06:06] ZFS works greate [06:41] *** milki has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [06:45] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [06:53] anyone from support ? [06:59] nbari, something we can help you with? [07:00] if not, email support@ so there's a ticket. :) [07:00] I have done that so far but you know unfortunately is very slow [07:00] the problem is that I schedule the reinstallation 6 hours ago but never count with this error: Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev! [07:01] and with the current iso on the CD I can not fix nothing [07:01] yeah - you'll have to wait for that fixit shell dvd. [07:02] you *should* be able to wipe and partition the disk without the fixit shell [07:02] thre is no way via the web interface to chenge /chosee a diferent iso right ? [07:03] not yet [07:03] I have been trying to use just fdisk later the (w) but not working [07:04] wait - are you sure you have ad0*s* ? [07:04] with gpt, you get /dev/ad0p1 etc [07:04] did you format with gpt, or with some other layout? [07:04] yes [07:04] initialy i setup the VPS with teh mfs-zfs iso or something like that [07:05] the iso that allows to have ZFS on the root [07:05] or boot using zfs [07:05] but if I am right it uses gpt [07:05] the gpt vs not is not related to zfs vs not [07:06] so if you have a gpt disk, you won't have /dev/ad0s1 [07:06] it'll be p1 p2 p3 [07:06] not s1 s2 s3 [07:06] but is used onthe installation procces, ir I remember the swap was using a gpt partition [07:11] 3:20 here and this thins still down [07:12] what a day [07:12] remember may days when useing dialup connections [07:13] i started ad 8am but never count with this error [07:13] the problem is that in america people is starting to work right now [07:14] and now I have a problem because the services are down [07:15] is there a service or providers than can provide only VPN (virtual private networks) ? [07:16] I would presume there is [07:16] wait - why would you need that [07:16] or is there a way to buy/rent some IP's and and in cases like this move the ip o other machines [07:16] you need a VPN to get into *your* server, so it's *you* that's providing it. :) [07:17] no [07:17] is just that my apps needs VPN's to some providers [07:17] I'm confused. [07:17] this is totaly appart from the ARPN [07:17] how would you use a VPN in this case? [07:18] the use that I give to the VPS is to create VPN's for my applicaciontions [07:18] a VPN makes sense only within an organization [07:18] a third party VPN isn't making any sense to me [07:18] jajaja wait [07:18] in my case does a lot [07:18] randalschwartz: consider a remote vpn router that various dynamic ip locations vpn into, to route to each other. [07:19] the best example is like today happend to me, (the time passes and I can not change/fix nothing) the same issue hapens with the VPN's that i have [07:19] i can not change the PEER IP to offen [07:19] and if i want to change (change VPS provider) I will have to change the PEER IP of does VPN's [07:19] and that is what i want to avoid [07:20] because some times "eazy changes" take months [07:20] and most ofthe time because of burocracies [07:21] so that is why i end up better using a VPS (fixed IP's that in theory hope they will not change ) [07:21] the ones I give to some external providerrs and make the link [07:22] and later i just route trafic to servers that the provider do not even know exists [07:22] oh - so you're looking more for a VLAN? [07:23] in this scneario maybe would be grate to make the VPN using a domain but I have to stick with an IP [07:24] in short, loking for an IP that I could have lik a domain for years that never change and could use it in many locations (but in theory if I am right it is not possible) [07:24] you *could* have an ARP box do that [07:24] it could route the traffic behind it to your other machines [07:24] the ARP box currently doing (was doing few hours ago) that :) [07:25] and all the providers that need VPN have the IP of the ARP box [07:25] I'm still confused why you need a fixit shell if you just want to do a straight install [07:25] you need a fixit shell only if you want to do ZFS [07:26] because when I booted the VPS and select an standar installation, after chosing the labels I got this error: Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev! [07:26] i rebooted but the current OS was lost [07:26] you probably need to go into the "format the disk" menu item then [07:27] you mean on the fdisk (custom options ) [07:27] I think so [07:28] you could ask on #freebsd [07:28] they're pretty helpful there [07:28] all say the same stuff [07:28] i need to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 bs=64k count=1 [07:29] of do what you recomend [07:29] aftar that in theory I should be available to install the OS [07:30] why do you need to blast the disk clean to do a full install? can a freebsd install iso not install over any randomized data in a disk? [07:31] that is what i am trying to do but it is not working [07:31] wow [07:31] you should still be able to repartition your disk from the menus [07:31] I know that doesn't require a fixit shell [07:31] the problem is there is a gpt label present, and /stand/sysinstall does not support it [07:31] ahh [07:31] right [07:32] i have to do this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-February/054692.html [07:32] you can't just go into the menus? [07:32] you can start with a naked disk and install just fine [07:32] so why can't you start with an unknown disk, and go through the first steps? [07:33] but every time i try to write to the disk (fdisk option W) it ids not working [07:33] the disk is recognized [07:33] nbari: do you still have the mfsbsd iso available, it has a destroygeom script [07:33] DaCa: unfortunately no [07:33] he has the install CD [07:33] not the DVD [07:33] that would have helped. :) [07:34] jus the disc 1 of FreeBSD not the DVD [07:34] so only the install menus. not the fixit shell. ( [07:34] right [07:36] and I suppose you can no longer boot into the system itself either? [07:36] exactly [07:36] because after the first try of the installation fdisk did work but the mbr is 'corrupt' if I can say that [07:36] because otherwise, you could still clear it, it just needs to set a sysctl to enable overwriting the area [07:38] could somethiing mabe be donde from the boot menu ? [07:38] maybe loading a module that later can be used on the Emergency Holographic Shell ? [07:39] I doubt it [07:40] can some one help me wakeup up_the_irons :) [07:41] is frustrating can't do nothing [07:41] anyway at the end is experience [07:42] besides that fortunatelly the service as been working perfect [07:42] that compesate [07:52] when I have a critical system like this, and need to make a radical change, I typically practice in a VM first. [07:52] VMware or Parallels or VirtualBox is quite handy. [07:52] i agree but I honestly never thought that a this could happend [07:53] that's usually when it gets you. :) [07:55] right [07:57] I just wich that the support could be a litle faster, [07:59] I don't. it'd cost me more then. :) [07:59] jajajaja in 1 year this is my 2 ticket [08:00] the fist one was just to install the VPS and this one to reinstall it [08:00] but in both the response time was this slow [08:01] but for price of the VPS I the response of the support i think that the price is a litle high [08:02] in case where multiple support is needed maybe a payable system would be grate or offerint 1 free ticket per month and the other billable like many companies do [08:08] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [08:14] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:16] *** coobra has joined #arpnetworks [08:21] that would still require a full-time staff then, just to handle your occasionaly quick-turnaround request. [08:21] I'm happy ARP *doesn't* have a full-time staff. [08:21] RandalSchwartz: if you see up_the_irons can you please tell him to check the suppor emails [08:21] I've never seen up_the_irons personally :) [08:21] or online :D [08:21] jajaja [08:21] but I'm sure he's reading support@ as often as he does [08:22] another way of contact him ? [08:22] nudging him here won't make it faster. [08:22] i have already send the emails but almost 8 hours with out reply [08:22] Yes, and it might be as long as 24-48 hours. [08:23] that's the level of support here. [08:23] that is not aceptable [08:23] if you had gone with a place that offered 24x7 support, you'd be paying more. [08:23] so you chose to pay less, and this is how it is. [08:23] not really [08:23] honestly there are cheaper VPS with faster support [08:23] yisp.nl is an example [08:24] really? Where do you get prices and features like APR for as cheap as ARP? [08:24] there [08:24] how really i do not know [08:25] "templates" [08:25] bue there are mor providers (i have vps with them) [08:25] is it using full virtualization? [08:25] can you install any DVD you want? [08:25] if not, that's not the same service as ARP [08:25] do you get a VNC console? [08:25] http://www.xensmart.co.uk/ [08:25] also check does guys [08:26] VNC, multipel isos of choice [08:26] really instant setup [08:26] no need to wait hours [08:27] "any user found to be using their VPS for IRC, Bittorrents, Warez Linking or any other illegal activity will be terminated." [08:27] lol [08:27] they offer VNC and a pannel that allow to reinstall extreamly simple the os [08:27] and the prices are not bad [08:28] in america the only good provider that I have found is ARPN [08:28] doesn't look like xensmart supports ipv6 yet [08:29] but with $20+ you get a dedicated almos everywhere [08:29] ... xensmart.co.uk has no AAAA record [08:29] mmm really do not know much about ipv6 honestlly I do not use it [08:29] so I really do not care about it, but as said does are just options [08:30] of simiiliar companies with a faster email support (not specting a 48 hours delay) [08:30] excusme but on IT that is not aceptable [08:33] it is if you're more careful [08:33] you brought this on yourself. [08:33] ARP is not suitable for people who do that. :) [08:33] I know but that is also like IT is :) [08:34] is like if you buy an insurance for your car , the deal is never to use it, but just in case [08:54] and if you need that kind of insurance, you won't be using ARPN. [09:02] nevermind you properly undestand, this is not an issue of using or not ussing a company at the ends is something related to the QOS of ARPN [09:02] anyway i can spend all the time her complainig the but that will not solve my problem [09:02] nbari: So, you signed an agreement for 24-48 hour support response and now you're bitching. I don't get it. [09:03] where is the agreements ? [09:03] good point i never so one [09:03] maybe are new [09:07] i was aware of the response time [09:07] when i signed up [09:08] if there is a VM host down, you don't wait 24-48 hours obviously. [09:09] I aggre that the support response can take even a week if you want but when the user has the tools to virtualy fix almos everything from their side [09:22] nbari: whether it is written clearly or just understood, arpnetworks is not staffed 24/7 which is a good bit of the reason why it is so cheap. we rely on 'best effort' not 'instant' support for our systems, and if we have mission critical stuffs, maintenance on those systems performed by us, is our responsibility to not do anything that we can't recover from given the iso image that is attached to the vm at the time we start the maintenance. [09:22] it is truly unfortunate that an iso image of freebsd cannot include a simple shell that could permit a dd over the disk for recovery. [09:22] single image floppies for installing openbsd provide this basic functionality. [09:23] toddf: no problem, at the end all the day one learns something [09:23] ;-) (maybe up_the_irons can use the above in some way, if so, feel free, modified or otherwise) [09:24] do you work on aRPN ? [09:24] toddf - freebsd has a fixit shell *if* you ask for the right disk [09:24] I do not. I have been around a bit and provided suggestions now and then that seem to be worthy of implementation. that's by luck, not any other reason. [09:24] nbari failed to do that. [09:24] randalschwartz: thats the key. *if*. a basic shell is available on _all_ openbsd install media. [09:25] yeah, it's a little weird that there's still variants in freebsd [09:25] perhaps there wasn't space on the CD [09:25] the only difference between media of openbsd is the drivers in the kernel and some of the utilities in the filesystem, adjusted according to space constraints. thats it. [09:26] a 650mb iso has no room for a shell? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [09:29] there *is* the emergency holographic shell [09:29] what's missing is a dd [09:29] so let's not get all nutty here. [09:30] 650mb iso has no room for ksh + dd. ha. haha. hahahaha. [09:31] statically linked dd on openbsd is 93k. anyway. [09:35] a dd on the FreeBSD issos that could be uesd on the emergency shell could be help me alot [09:35] by the way some one here using proxmox as the main server for hosting FreeBSD ? [09:36] nbari - had you requested the DVD instead of the CD, you would have had all that and more [09:36] so the problem is primarily PEBCAK [09:36] yes RandalSchwartz 8 hours ago i did that :D [09:36] no - originally [09:37] and had you rehearsed this critical upgrade, you'd also have sorted that out ahead of time too. strike 2. [09:37] first I ask for a clean up of the v disk and almos later the full DVD later you also sugest me that [09:48] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:49] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [09:50] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:55] how about fetching a dd binary over ftp/http from within your emergency shell? [10:00] I have tried to setup the net but since i can not create the slices I can not write to the disk [10:03] you should be able to write to the ramdisk you are living in [10:06] *** dferris has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [10:06] *** dferris has joined #arpnetworks [10:08] but how to setup the network ? [10:08] if from the shell i just have the cd/pwd commands [10:12] how does sysinstall set up the network, the commands must be there somewhere [10:13] ls? or 'echo *' for poor man's 'ls' [10:15] really do not know [10:16] There is no shell built-in for networking, that I know of. In any shell. [10:16] but time passes and this thing still down [10:20] guys someone from LA or a friend of up_the_irons please tellhimg to check the tickets [10:24] root [10:24] oops... wrong window :) [10:33] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [11:01] my offsize zfs-stream-recieving remote box is finally up and running [11:01] now backing up the first server [11:02] offsite, not off size :) [11:02] * toddf looks for the available bandwidth to drop a few ticks [11:02] ;-) [11:03] this is part of the BCP I came up with for Neil [11:04] I recall. [11:08] the first full backup is the most risky [11:08] can't restart it if it fails :( [11:08] can't ? [11:09] what kindof flaky backup system can't restart a failed initial backup? [11:09] nope. zfs send ... | ssh remote "zfs recv ..." [11:09] I suppose I could create a file and then rsync the file then unpack it [11:09] not sure I have enough room on sender though [11:11] unless zfs send compresses you might get some mileage out of 'ssh -C -o batchmode=yes -o serveraliveinterval=3600 -o serveralivecountmax=23 -o tcpkeepalive=no' [11:12] I've experimentally found those options useful when doing some ssh based backups of my own [11:17] interesting [11:18] RandalSchwartz: did you have a look at the zxfer script? (in ports), it supports a zfs send and an rsync mode [11:18] Hmm. not yet. [11:18] * RandalSchwartz looks [11:40] fascinating! It does everything I did and a lot more [11:40] what a nice waste of time on my part. :) [11:41] consider it a pre-peek prep for you to confirm their ideas are as good as yours. ;-) [11:41] guyst sorry to disturb but any aprox time/hour that up_the_irons uses to be online ? [11:42] nbari: he typically is around late evening reliably. sometimes during the day. obviously not yet today. ;-) [11:43] and today :S [11:43] interpretation may vary according to timezones :) [11:44] DaCa: 'late evening' = us timezones. I'm in US/Central, he's in US/Pacific .. the meaning of 'late evening' is close enough. [11:44] perhaps I should have said 'late evening his time' [12:01] 12 hours later no answer [12:01] nice :D [12:01] for been my first support ticket on issue is agreate experience [12:02] nbari: perfect storm and all that. [12:02] 8pm here [12:02] nbari: we don't have a 24/7 support staff, if you need that, go to slicehost or linode and pay three times as much for your vps [12:02] i think th [12:02] finally thanks you [12:03] we give you all the tools to diagnose and solve problems yourself; the only thing you should be contacting support for is ISO changes, billing, or cancelation [12:04] right this is a iso change no more [12:04] no complains about nothing else [12:05] has I say the service has ben grate the only issue is that unfortunately a bad mistake on my ISO make that I could erase the disk [12:05] nbari: ok, i already changed the iso for you yesterday; you need it changed again? [12:05] the porblem is that I can not erase the disk [12:05] up_the_irons: he has a freebsd iso that cannot dd to wipe the disk to do a fresh install. needs the dvd for that. I laugh at you freebsd for not putting dd on the iso. hahaha. [12:06] lol [12:06] toddf: no dd on the iso? LOL [12:06] in few words is just like toddf say [12:06] the "install" cd is very limited [12:06] or even requiring dd to do a fresh install. haha. [12:06] nbari: let me find your sup req and i'll take care of it [12:06] the "dvd" is what you want mounted all the time [12:07] even though you might never use most of the precompiled packages. :) [12:07] I just need to do a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 bs=64k count=1 in thero to fix the disk [12:07] if anyone ever asks for a FreeBSD "cd", please challenge them. :) [12:08] * RandalSchwartz wanders back to the cruise ship [12:08] randalschwartz: somehow I suspect with the future (no date specified yet) iso selection potential in the control panel for vps's, the freebsd iso's will not be listed. problem solved. ;-) [12:11] random query for those running OpenBSD (or any other os that accepts a serial break to drop to ddb> or the like) .. have you tried (and succeeded) to hit it via the serial console provided via arp? just a random survey. I know it doesn't work for me. would be nice to know if it is something I'm doing wrong(tm) or if its a limitation of the kvm/conserver/ssh setup. (and no I don't _expect_ anything to be fixed, just idly curious about details..) [12:12] toddf: yes, I have done that, ^El0 iirc [12:12] ^Ecl0 [12:13]