#arpnetworks 2011-05-11,Wed

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up_the_irons<sigh>, the EX3200 can't do 4K active VLANs, only 1K, even though data sheet says "4K VLANs" (suppose they mean the VLAN ID can go up to 4K) [00:19]
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up_the_ironssrsly [00:53]
bob^^up_the_irons: just about to check on the x350 for you [00:57]
up_the_ironsbob^^: ah sweet, you have one? [00:57]
bob^^i know for a fact the older Extreme kit can do it (48si) as i've done it
yeah got a few around our network 		[00:57]
up_the_ironsnice [00:58]
bob^^we're fans of extreme here :) [00:58]
up_the_ironslol
do you find them to be reliable? I've heard horror stories ;) 		[00:58]
bob^^that said we're just moving to cisco in the core as extreme just doesn't do what we need at the price
oh yeah, very
i've used most of the "edge" switches they offer (which are massively capable tbh)
and a few blackdiamonds in the core
the only one we've had issues with is the 48si's after 8 years in operation
memory modules in them failed - trip to local computer shop, buy new RAM, replace RAM = working switch :) 		[00:58]
up_the_ironsbob^^: ah nice
bob^^: is there a 48-port all gigabit version of the 48si ? 		[01:00]
bob^^yeah, it's the x350-48 [01:01]
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bob^^iirc they've got a module slot on the back for a 10g uplink too (not a xenpack though confusingly, something extreme-specific)
there are newer models now too from Extreme that do the same
x460 etc
they're actually not bad at L3 stuff too in an emergency 		[01:02]
up_the_ironsnice [01:03]
bob^^i wouldn't use them to route a huge amount of traffic, but they're alright if you're desperate
they all come with a basic l3 license that can do static routing and RIP iirc 		[01:03]
up_the_ironsi c [01:03]
bob^^a full l3 can be activated and they'll then even do BGP
(though i don't believe they have the capacity for a full table) 		[01:03]
LTmy recollection is that you put a carrier module in the back that then takes 2 xenpaks [01:03]
bob^^ahh that might be it
d'oh, there's no x350 in our testbed anymore 		[01:04]
up_the_ironslol
shucks 		[01:05]
bob^^just asking a colleague if there's an underused one anywhere i can play on
creating a few vlans shouldn't upset it too much ;)
have you ever used extremeware/xos before? 		[01:05]
up_the_ironsnope [01:06]
bob^^it's nice :) bit of a change if you're coming from IOS but i prefer it in some ways [01:06]
up_the_ironsexcited to learn it if it can do 4K active vlans :) [01:06]
bob^^unconfigure switch all
will be your friend while you learn ;) 		[01:07]
LTactually, looking at an x450a here that appears to be a carrier module that takes xfps - haven't got an x350 to hand, maybe they were xenpak or maybe there's more than one type of carrier module [01:07]
bob^^pretty sure the x350 isn't xenpack but it's been a hell of a long time since i actually saw the back of one :) [01:07]
LTdata sheet seems to suggest it will take 2 port carrier modules that either take xenpak, xfp or sfp+ as well as a 10gbase-t one [01:11]
bob^^it's a neat bit of kit
performance is excellent
up_the_irons: found one to play on
if it all goes wrong only one customer will get disconnected
;) 		[01:13]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons applauds bob^^ for living on the edge [01:14]
bob^^;D
i quote: 09:21:25 <@Dunny> if you break it you can explain it to whoever gets mad
here goes nothing ;/
Total number of VLAN(s) : 4 (before i start) 		[01:15]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons roots bob^^ on [01:22]
LToh your connection has broken? must be a... hardware fault? [01:23]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons wonders how bob^^ is doing this
on cisco, i'd like copy & paste the output of: for i in `seq 1000 2500`; do echo "vlan $i" ; echo "exit"; done 		[01:28]
LTon extreme it's more like for i in `seq 1000 2500`; do echo "create vlan a$i" done [01:32]
up_the_ironsah [01:34]
bob^^basically :)
sorry, had to dash off - working from home today waiting on a gas engineer to sort out my oven :)
just creating the first 1024 now
bob^^ drums fingers on desk 		[01:41]
up_the_ironsbob^^: no problem, take your time; i'll be here for the next couple hours
bob^^: i appreciate you trying to figure this out for me :) 		[01:43]
bob^^i'm an extreme fan... i should get commission ;) [01:44]
up_the_ironslol [01:44]
bob^^i've heard very good things recently about brocade and force10 too
though not used either personally
well, used brocade when it was foundry, but not for about 10 years :)
lol, show vlan now takes quite a while to run and i'm only half-way through adding vlans
bob^^ keeps tapping space 		[01:45]
LTextreme is nice for layer 2 stuff, and reasonable for simple layer 3 stuff - but I wouldn't want to do a full bgp feed with it [01:48]
bob^^agreed
most of it can't even take a full bgp feed
well, i think an old blackdiamonds with msm64i's (x2) can
but most of the new kit is massively overpriced if you want a full bgp feed on it
we went for cisco in the end for core with sup720-3bxl's
Total number of VLAN(s) : 2404 		[01:48]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons does a happy dance
bob^^: wow, i'm very pleased. it beats the Juniper EX3200 and EX4200 (i think) 		[01:52]
bob^^really?
that surprises me, the juniper stuff is normally quite well specified
the only time i've had issues with 4k vlans has been on cisco - and even then it was because we were running an SMI IOS instead of EMI by accident 		[01:53]
up_the_ironsbob^^: http://dev.inetpro.org/pastebin/517 [01:54]
bob^^(and only on little switches like the 3550's etc)
wow
not cool
that's really surprised me 		[01:54]
up_the_ironsbob^^: as for cisco, according to their spec sheets, only the 4500, 4900 and 6500 can do 4K active vlans
bob^^: me too 		[01:54]
bob^^oh, wait, you're quite right [01:54]
up_the_ironsi was really to plop down the cash [01:54]
bob^^smi = 256, emi = 1024 [01:54]
up_the_ironsyep [01:54]
bob^^(on the small switches)
not sure i've managed quite the full 4096 here yet, just waiting on show vlan to finish dumping the vlan list :) 		[01:54]
up_the_ironslol [01:55]
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bob^^6500's are pretty cheap if you can afford the rack space [01:55]
up_the_ironsyeah, and i have the rackspace, but i hate to waste [01:56]
bob^^6503 ? [01:56]
up_the_irons6503/6504 stuff seems hard to find [01:56]
bob^^depends how many interfaces you want i guess [01:56]
up_the_irons6506+, no problem [01:56]
bob^^yeah, second user they're impossible
plus you'd want the 6503e
so you can drop in the top supervisor in the future if you wanted to 		[01:56]
up_the_ironsyeah and i think that starts to get pricey [01:57]
bob^^even second user a sup720 with 3bxl (for a full bgp feed) and the full pfc/dfc setup is like gbp15k
cisco's list prices are just upsetting :)
cisco's list prices are just upsetting :)
d'oh
Total number of VLAN(s) : 3671
want me to hit the limit and see what it does? 		[01:57]
up_the_ironsbob^^: sure, although i think you've proven it can go to 4K already... [01:59]
bob^^i'm interested to see now too [01:59]
up_the_ironsbob^^: haha [01:59]
bob^^most i've ever needed on one of this is about 50 :) [01:59]
up_the_ironsbob^^: how is the switch behaving now? is it slow? normal? ... [01:59]
bob^^* ifl-x350-01.4268 # create vlan robtest4597
Error: Max number of regular VLAN supported 4094!!
:)
(there's two default vlans you can't remove) 		[02:00]
up_the_ironshaha [02:00]
bob^^Default (tag 1) and Mgmt (tag 4095) [02:00]
up_the_ironsbob^^: you should turn off spanning tree on those vlan's, it would probably drop the cpu usage a lot
and maybe your show vlan output would be faster :) 		[02:00]
bob^^sec, once it's done a show vlan i'll see what span output is like
extremes are much better behaved on stp than cisco 		[02:00]
up_the_ironsi know turning off stp on my 4500 for customer vlans free'd up a lot of cpu [02:01]
bob^^yeah, disabling stp on cisco kit is a smart move if you don't need it
we've never had to do that on extreme kit though 		[02:01]
up_the_ironsah ok [02:02]
bob^^will be interesting to see what the cpu load is
given none of these vlans are actually applied to an interface, i guess it should be low 		[02:02]
up_the_ironsi can get the 350-48T on Provantage for $1990.26, which is a pretty sweet price compared to what the competition charges and *can't* do ;) [02:02]
bob^^the x350's are amazingly good value
even support on them is cheap 		[02:03]
up_the_ironsnice [02:03]
bob^^and the support is pretty good too
all the x350's we've had have worked 100% since installed
(one arrived DoA)
but then i've had plenty of cisco arrive DoA so that's probably not much to worry about :) 		[02:03]
up_the_ironstotal MAC address is kinda low (8K vs. 24K on Juniper), but i think 8K will suffice
bob^^: yeah
nice 		[02:04]
bob^^take a look at the x460
it's more for core use so may support a larger mac/fdb
the x350 is technically classed as an edge switch (an edge switch that's clearly been on performance-enhancing drugs)
Total number of VLAN(s) : 4094
:D 		[02:04]
LTalso they're giving pretty big discounts on x460 last time I looked - though that still leaves it rather more expensive than x350 [02:06]
bob^^up_the_irons: anything else you want me to try before i start removing these vlans? [02:07]
eyecuenot looking forward to this .22 -> vlan migration
:| 		[02:07]
up_the_ironsbob^^: how about assign the vlans to an unused port, just to see what cpu usage is like
bob^^: looks like the x460 can do 32K MAC, nice 		[02:07]
bob^^apply them to an unused port as a trunk?
can do
oh wait, that would take an age for me to do
Switch : X350-24t 672 Jun-24-2009
(first service date, 672 days service - never been restarted) 		[02:08]
up_the_ironsbob^^: wow nice [02:09]
bob^^30 second cpu usage right now = around 1% [02:10]
up_the_ironsbob^^: yeah, apply to a trunk port [02:10]
bob^^5 min avg = around 40% (while i was still running show vlan)
maximum over the past hour = 100% (cli process though, vlan process max = 20%) 		[02:10]
up_the_ironsbob^^: what is general diff between the x350 and x450? [02:10]
bob^^stp max over past 1h = 1% cpu
(see, extreme is nice on cpu with stp!)
not sure about the x450 		[02:10]
eyecuehttp://www.layerstyles.org/builder.html wow cool [02:10]
bob^^last i looked it was just PoE
oh and i think they might stack 		[02:11]
eyecuei wish i stacked [02:11]
bob^^i remember we decided the x350 was fine for what we wanted
(i.e. x450 wasn't worth the extra) 		[02:11]
up_the_ironsbob^^: ah ok [02:11]
LTwe've got quite a few x450s - they come in two models - the x450e is edge and roughly similar to the x350 - the x450a is more core focused, bigger tables etc [02:11]
bob^^ahh [02:11]
up_the_ironsLT: ah ok, thanks [02:11]
LTand yeah they stack [02:12]
bob^^up_the_irons: http://pastie.org/private/sq1ge0dzbex8bl3dggt8w
(cpu usage) 		[02:12]
eyecuewhat do you gusy use to monitor your switches ? [02:12]
LTalso... can you do second psu on an x350? you can on x450 [02:12]
bob^^you can do second psu, but it's a remote unit and is massively overpriced iirc [02:12]
LTsame for x450 [02:13]
bob^^ahh
it's the one thing that's annoying
the old 48si's could take 2 psus on-board
same for the ancient 48/48i :) 		[02:13]
LTthe x460s and x650s have gone back that way [02:13]
bob^^that's good news
i put it down to the fact the x350 is an edge switch 		[02:13]
up_the_ironsoh nice [02:13]
bob^^and tbh, who'd put a second psu in an edge switch :)
eyecue: we use opsview, PRTG and MRTG (and some custom stuff too) 		[02:14]
up_the_ironsi try to have dual power to everything :) [02:14]
bob^^in the core we do too [02:14]
eyecuecoolio
up_the_irons; do you have at's upstream and dual pdu's per rack as well though ? 		[02:14]
LTup_the_irons: http://www.extremenetworks.com/doc.aspx?id=207 might be useful [02:15]
eyecueits often funny to see peeps dual psu everything without regard for the current draw and lack of power HA upstream of the rack [02:15]
up_the_ironseyecue: yep
eyecue: so i have 4 circuits per cab, 2x A feeds and 2x B feeds and put 40% on each 		[02:15]
eyecuenoice
horiz or vert pdu's ? 		[02:16]
up_the_ironsLT: lol, i was just looking at that [02:16]
bob^^you guys are lucky over tehre :( [02:16]
up_the_ironseyecue: APC AP7932 [02:16]
eyecueahh my fav's [02:16]
bob^^our main central london DC can't even give us two feeds into our cabs
1 feed 		[02:16]
eyecuehow the hell do you get 2 a nd b feeds into a singke rack ?
unless im misunderstanding 		[02:17]
bob^^eyecue: dual psu in my experience doesn't really increase how much power you use [02:17]
up_the_ironsLT: can the x450 take dual psu's on board? according to the comparison charge, that feature starts at the x460, not x450
*chart 		[02:17]
eyecuebob; no but it can be interesting to see the draws peak when both are running active across multiple circuits [02:18]
LTnope, x450 is external unit like the x350 [02:18]
bob^^(that said you can configure a 6500 to do fancy things with it's dual psus which can increase the load on one PSU more than the other) [02:18]
eyecuebob^^; of course servers != switches. [02:18]
up_the_ironseyecue: easy, you pay the electricians to install 4 circuits above you cabs :) [02:18]
bob^^we offered to pay here
you just cannot do it
the DCs here are all massively under supplied with electricity 		[02:18]
eyecuebut they feed into the pdu's how, ive only seen 2 x 0U pdu's fit into a 42/45 ru cab
unless you run multiple 4 x 16 ports or something
spose it comes down to density 		[02:19]
LTthe external power supply is a 1U thing that can provide backup power to 2 switches - I don't remember them being too bad price wise but a bit awkward perhaps [02:19]
up_the_ironseyecue: The APC AR3157 can do 4x 0U PDUs [02:20]
eyecue! [02:20]
up_the_ironswhich is what i use
they snap right it, i love APC :) 		[02:20]
eyecueyeh apc does rocks
wtf @ 4 x 0u's 		[02:20]
up_the_ironsLT: yeah, i'm familiar with those. in cisco land we call them RPS (remote power supply) [02:20]
eyecuemm, how do you find the 1070mm depth ? [02:21]
up_the_ironseyecue: i even have a cab that will do 8x 0U's :) [02:21]
eyecueyoure just being rediculous now :D [02:21]
up_the_ironseyecue: i buy the AR3157's here: http://www.provantage.com/apc-ar3157~7AMPN051.htm [02:21]
eyecuethats USD ?
shit we pay a premium over here.
up_the_irons; wait wait, how many port 0's ? :D
0u's 		[02:22]
up_the_ironseyecue: that one will do 4x [02:23]
eyecueof the 7932's ? [02:24]
up_the_ironsand yes, USD
eyecue: yup 		[02:24]
eyecueholy.
i gotta see a piccy of that 		[02:24]
bob^^i love apc :)
best pdu's in the business 		[02:24]
eyecuehmm, trying to find mention of 0u space in that SX rack [02:25]
up_the_ironseyecue: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/4253157289/in/photostream/ [02:25]
bob^^wow, you guys get APC kit very cheaply [02:25]
eyecueoh oarsome, they have 1200 deep ones too [02:25]
bob^^it's not even dollars-to-pounds, we're being ripped off in the uk :( [02:25]
eyecuebob^^; yer, im talking 250% what theat online price is
not including conversion 		[02:26]
bob^^are you in the UK too eyecue ? [02:26]
eyecueoh god thats hot irons.
bob^^; .au 		[02:26]
bob^^ahh
we're not quite 250% here 		[02:26]
Geyecue: sounds like you need to get a moving company to do the shipping for you for a few dozen units & resell 'em ;) [02:26]
bob^^about 150-200% just looking around [02:26]
eyecueG: thats what im talkin about [02:26]
bob^^lol :) [02:26]
Gfill a container with them [02:27]
eyecue:]
watch the duty/customs on those bad boys :D 		[02:27]
up_the_ironseyecue: LOL [02:27]
bob^^"gift" ;) [02:27]
eyecueup_the_irons; seriously, yummy. [02:27]
G"ARP Networks Import/Export" [02:27]
up_the_ironshaha [02:27]
Gbob^^: exactly! [02:27]
eyecueup_the_irons; how bout the 1070 vs 1200, any issues with clearance? [02:28]
G"It's a gift, from me, to me" [02:28]
eyecueor do you get servers to suit
hehe 		[02:28]
LTup_the_irons: btw last time we wanted to buy x450a extreme basically said don't bother and discounted the x460 to be slightly cheaper [02:28]
eyecuehell, i should buy the APC racks off irons, he can make 30% on them, and ill still get them cheaper [02:28]
up_the_ironseyecue: the 1200 is pretty deep, i didn't need the extra 4x on top of standard 4x. but at the time i got a deal on one, so i bought it [02:28]
eyecue4x ? [02:28]
up_the_ironsLT: what did they discount it to? [02:28]
Geyecue: surely duty wouldn't be that much [02:29]
eyecueG: mmm, i dunno, probably not worth it tbh
we have a shciner electric plant literally 100m up from where i work
might go speak to em 		[02:29]
Geyecue: also, if you did it fully registered, you'd be able to write off the Duty on the GST you charge end buyers, likely [02:29]
eyecuegah, schneider [02:29]
up_the_ironseyecue: the 1070mm deep will do 4x of 0U and 1200mm deep will do 8x of 0U. Mind you, you don't need to get just PDU's, they have 0U other accessories, like wire managers [02:29]
eyecueup_the_irons; ahh, gotcha
up_the_irons; my rule of thumb is go with the deepest you can get.
slash afford, slash that fit perfectly on 30x30 tiles ;) 		[02:29]
LTup_the_irons: worked out less than the x450a [02:30]
eyecuei wonder how the hell they came up with 1070 [02:30]
up_the_ironseyecue: i hear what you are saying, i thought that way too; but really, the 1020mm is so deep, you really don't need to take all that space in the cage
LT: nice 		[02:30]
eyecueup_the_irons; mind you, in a tier1-3 DC, CRAC takescare of most heat buildup, but our server room is standard AC, not humidified either [02:31]
up_the_ironsi c [02:31]
eyecueup_the_irons; right now our 3 racks are 25cm off the back wall (douche ex sysadmin), so anything is better than what we have
but why not do it right. 		[02:31]
up_the_ironsyeah [02:32]
eyecueive planned room for up to 8 racks, (only 3 are full atm) so we're talking plenty of room to scale [02:32]
up_the_ironscool [02:33]
eyecuegah not looking forward to it [02:33]
up_the_ironshah [02:33]
eyecuebut i shall now get quotes for that SX rack :D
do APC sell their own troughs/trays too ? 		[02:33]
up_the_ironsthe SX cabs are really nice [02:33]
eyecueoh they do, win. [02:33]
up_the_ironseyecue: they sell everything
although i don't like their shelves 		[02:33]
eyecuewhats up with em ? [02:34]
up_the_ironsthankfully, i don't need shelves at all anymore; everything is rackmount
eyecue: they have a lip on them that wastes space 		[02:34]
eyecuefront facing up ?
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=324 <-- sexy.
[02:34]
up_the_ironseyecue: they anchor both front and rear [02:35]
eyecueah
yeh i think i just convinced myself to go apc
stead of worrying about whats going to fit how many of X 		[02:35]
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eyecueup_the_irons; know if the SX range has been updates recently, or over the years?
if i buy a few now, with a view to buying more in future, see any issues >
? 		[02:41]
up_the_ironseyecue: not sure, i've had mine for about 3 years, and i just got a new one, no difference [02:41]
eyecuesweet [02:42]
up_the_ironsi think mine will last me many years to come
bob^^: how's that switch doing? :) 		[02:42]
bob^^okay so far :)
not started applying the vlans to a port yet 		[02:49]
up_the_ironsah [02:49]
bob^^here goes ;) [02:51]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons braces himself [02:51]
bob^^ahh, actually, this isn't so easy on a live switch
i might have to skip on doing it 		[02:52]
up_the_ironsok, np [02:53]
Goh gosh, they reckon they may have found a way for Petabit/Exabit connectivity....
up_the_irons: you better get one of those switches! ;) 		[02:53]
bob^^up_the_irons: i think it will be fine though :)
i've never, ever had a cpu issue on an extreme but had plenty on cisco 		[02:53]
up_the_ironsbob^^: roger that
G: wait, which one? :) 		[02:54]
Gup_the_irons: ask UC Berkeley when they've got the method perfected ;) [02:54]
up_the_ironscool [02:54]
Ghttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/11/0227227/Exabit-Transmission-Speeds-May-Be-Possible [02:54]
bob^^up_the_irons: ask extreme to loan you a test unit - they're pretty good at doing that in the UK if there's a potential order behind it [02:54]
up_the_ironsbob^^: oh, no shit? nice [02:55]
bob^^yeah, years ago i had a test blackdiamond with a pretty awesome spec on loan for a couple of weeks
and a load of little switches too
extreme uk are quite friendly guys 		[02:55]
up_the_ironsnice, i will definitely try tomorrow [02:56]
bob^^bob^^ starts deleting vlans
...this might take a while ;) 		[02:57]
up_the_ironshaha [02:58]
eyecueany of you fellas schooled up on dc/rack floor plans and comparing various designs ?
wouldnt mind some feedback on a couple of variations in my plans 		[02:58]
bob^^ahh, finally - all vlans deleted :) [03:10]
LTbob^^: did you deal with rob wright at extreme uk? [03:17]
bob^^no
bob^^ struggles to remember
andy <something> 		[03:18]
LTbutcher? [03:18]
bob^^no, i think it was an italian-sounding name
not even sure if he works there any more 		[03:18]
LTno... most of them seem to have moved to juniper lately [03:19]
bob^^juniper seem to be really pushing a lot recently
ahh-hah
Andy Zollo
now works for Sonicwall
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nbariHi all, today and yesterday aprox at 2am LA time I lost connection to my VPS
any idea of what could it be ? maybe a maintenance ? 		[06:57]
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toddfnbari: first things to check are ability to hit vnc console and/or serial console [07:27]
nbarivia VNC i rebooted the VPS that worked
today and yesterday 		[07:28]
toddfnbari: if you reset the guest software and things work again, sounds like a guest issue to me.
what do you have loaded in your VPS ? 		[07:28]
nbarifreebsd with ipsec
but resently I am making test with ejabberd
no current clients just testing 		[07:29]
toddfnothing in the system logs? in dmesg? etc [07:29]
nbarinothing
I also have powerdns
but also the trafic is vey low
since is just more a VPS for maintaing 2 VPS's
sorry VPN's
I was thinking on reinstalling the os to FreeBSD 386 with no ZFS
for making the VPS more 'light' 		[07:29]
toddfmaybe ping support@ to see if they have any logs of any kind for your VPS that might indicate something other than freebsd not doing something right, which would seem exceedingly odd considering the # of freebsd dudes here that are happy and not reporting the same
how much memory?
in the vps 		[07:30]
nbari1GB [07:30]
toddfI guess thats supposedly sufficient for zfs [07:31]
nbariafter 1 year the VPS has been working perfect with out issues [07:31]
toddfah and suddenly it starts destabalizing? interesting. [07:31]
nbarijust at 2am [07:31]
toddfnot sure I can help, ping support@ and keep your eyes peeled for any hints from your freebsd system
always the same time? 		[07:31]
nbarijust today and yesterday
I start to notice that
I wake up and tryied to access the vPS ( to continue playing with ejabberd) and notice that i can not enter to the VPS
checked a rrd graph and notice that at 2am LA if I am right (i am in gmt+0) the network was lost 		[07:32]
toddfI think I'm done here, keep your eyes peeled for any useful info, sofar is you have symptoms, no hints at the actual problem, take good notes, hopefully something will stand out [07:33]
nbariI will recheck everything and consider the reinstall
since if I am right an amd64 is to much for a VPS 		[07:34]
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bob^^eyecue: did you like the sonicwalls? :/ [08:00]
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jlgaddisdoes anyone ever really like sonicwalls? [08:38]
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niccosany chance I can get someone to change out my install media on my vps? Or do I need to email [08:50]
jlgaddissend email to support@ [08:50]
niccosthanks [08:51]
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RandalSchwartzand wait 24-48 hours
someday soon, user-defined mounting
not complaining, just saying
also, after completed, you have to do a full power down to see it
not just a reboot
apparently the emulator doesn't re-read the config file until a full power down 		[09:16]
toddfkvm, if its anything like qemu, takes cmdline parameters including the cdrom filename, thus a power down is necessary to re-start the kvm instance with new command line parameters [09:18]
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nbariis there a way of mounting my own ISO for reinstalling the VPS ?
I mean with out depending or the support team 		[12:09]
up_the_ironsnbari: no [12:13]
nbariI would like to reinstal freebsd 8.2 i386 could you helme to put the iso so i can later do the reinstall
is just that I would like to optimze the VPS for not consumming few resources
by the way today and yesterday aprox at 2am(LA)I lost connecion to the vPS
a network maintainance or something ? 		[12:14]
jpalmernbari: for iso changes, please submit a ticket to support@arpnetworks.com, include a wget'able link to the ISO you want, as well as your vps UUID [12:23]
nbaridone aprox 8 hours ago
with the UUID and iso link 		[12:23]
jpalmerok, cool [12:23]
nbariis there a way o check on the console of the server if something happende today/yeterday with the VPS ?
maybe a log or a warning/error etc ? 		[12:24]
jpalmerdepending on the OS, most of the time the console messages won't tell you anything the syslog doesn't, unless it's a hardware failure issu [12:25]
nbarithe current OS is FreeBDS , and the VPS running fine is just that today and yerterday notice tha issue
but wondiering what could it be since the VPS has been very stable 		[12:26]
jpalmerthe console logs won't tell you any more than the syslog (thats what actually generates the console messages) [12:31]
toddfjpalmer: so you're saying kernel messages show up first in syslogd then syslogd prints it to the serial/vga console in freebsd? [12:32]
jpalmertoddf: /dev/console, not serial/vga [12:34]
nbariso from the side of arpnetworks everything is ok no network maintainence or somethig like that ? [12:35]
jpalmerbut yes, if you look at syslog.conf or whatever (not logged into a fbsd box atm) you'll see an entry there for logging to the console
nbari: nobody has said anything about the network being ok. most of us wouldn't know. I didn't experience an issue at 2am (you didn't mention the timezone) 		[12:35]
nbariI think was 2am LA i think it gmt+8 [12:36]
jpalmerFWIW, I don't see any ping outs on IRC indicating an issue (and several people here, including myself, IRC from their VPS) [12:37]
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vcsvcs pong 23423456 [12:38]
toddfjpalmer: I know some messages are relayed to console, but kernel messages should display on console first, and syslog will log them and relay them to logged in user terms, .. aka sending critical kernel messages through userland back to a terminal is not how unix works. [12:38]
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jpalmertoddf: you make a valid point. now that I think about it, when I had a failing disk, I saw the messages on the console. not in syslog.
so I'll rephrase the "unless it's failing hardware" to "unless it's a kernel message sent to console" 		[12:39]
toddfthe whole point of me pointing nbari to the console (serial and/or vga via vnc) is because sometimes stuff shows up there and nowhere else. one more place to look for breadcrumbs... [12:41]
nbariis just that i though that the main server (kvm) maybe has logs reportint any issue [12:42]
toddfthis is also why I instructed you to email support@ incase they had any breadcrumbs
toddf gets tired of repeating the same advice, and goes wandering elsewhere 		[12:42]
jpalmersounds like I may have missed some of the conversation. [12:43]
nbarimore than tired is just that I have already emailed but I think that is IRC for
maybe here some one has more recent news etc 		[12:43]
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up_the_ironsbob^^: just got off the phone with extreme; the x350 and x460 can indeed do all 4K vlans active
bob^^: so even though you didn't assign any to a port, i'm now confident it won't blow up if you did ;) 		[16:37]
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RandalSchwartzup_the_irons - awake? :) [19:34]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: almost heading out for dinner [19:35]
RandalSchwartz$client considers "please ensure you encrypt your laptopdisk" more important than the fact that it's trivial to coat-tail on the back entrance (20 second door closure, no video monitoring)
I consider that a bizarre focus of resources on wrong idea
I even tried to *pull* the door closed behind me... can't be done
and no, we don't have enforced nametags 		[19:35]
up_the_ironsi c [19:37]
RandalSchwartzI guess people don't compute properly the relative threats
and just "look where the light is good"
happens a lot
Maybe I think like a bad guy too often. :)
But I could coat-tail in the back door I'd get to walk around the entire plant without being stoppped. Nobody wears badges, and nobody knows everyone.
And there's a *lot* of critical info on whiteboards plainly visible
Seems much more likely than someone grabbing my laptop, rebooting to single user mode, and then dumping it. :) 		[19:38]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: is this at media temple?
bbl, dinner 		[19:43]
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RandalSchwartzcan't say : [20:03]
bbl = barrel? :) [20:11]
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