#arpnetworks 2011-05-10,Tue

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up_the_irons	G: fixed console.cust, your new vps appears	[02:26]
eyecue	god i hate budget speeches :\| up_the_irons; how many engi's do you guys have? and whats your QEMU stuff running on ?	[02:30]
up_the_irons	eyecue: engi's?	[02:32]
eyecue	sorry, ops staff :) "engineers" sysadmins, noc guys, rah rah	[02:32]
up_the_irons	eyecue: you're lookin at him :)	[02:34]
eyecue	ahh :D whats your infrastructure footprint like atm ?	[02:34]
up_the_irons	eyecue: jpalmer helps me with stuff sometimes and wickedSA does data center work for me from time to time	[02:34]
eyecue	sorry for all the questions, just interested :) yeh, jp rocks, long time #freebsd guy here	[02:34]
up_the_irons	eyecue: that's a broad question, i will opt not to answer ;)	[02:35]
eyecue	hehe :) was kinda getting at the 'how much crap do you alone have to take care of' :)	[02:35]
up_the_irons	20 servers, all the networking gear	[02:37]
eyecue	nice	[02:37]
up_the_irons	power, cage, etc...	[02:37]
eyecue	nods im taking care of a 25 server alloc atm really want to get into playing with vm in production up_the_irons; can i ask what DC? we've got 15 in servepath	[02:37]
up_the_irons	eyecue: coresite in LA	[02:39]
eyecue	cool :D	[02:39]
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portertech	up_the_irons: can't reach the arp networks website :/	[02:50]
up_the_irons	portertech: give it time, i'm adjusting some routes	[02:50]
portertech	up_the_irons: ack	[02:50]
up_the_irons	portertech: paste a traceroute, it should work by now i can get to it fine from here	[02:51]
eyecue	there it goes	[02:52]
up_the_irons	yeah it shouldn't have bounced for more than a minute i put in an aggregate route yesterday, more than enough time to propagate	[02:53]
portertech	up_the_irons: working	[02:53]
up_the_irons	and i took the more specifics out just now	[02:53]
portertech	(japan)	[02:53]
up_the_irons	portertech: cool	[02:53]
eyecue	redundant network and upstream links ?	[02:53]
up_the_irons	eyecue: you ask as if there is an alternative? ;)	[02:54]
eyecue	alternative/ideal/bestpractice and reality are often two different things :d	[02:54]
portertech	up_the_irons: is the dashboard a sinatra app?	[02:56]
up_the_irons	portertech: no, the main website is sinatra, the portal is Rails eyecue: indeed, true	[02:57]
portertech	up_the_irons: neat	[02:57]
up_the_irons	yeah	[02:57]
eyecue	eyecue mumbles something about django :D	[02:57]
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portertech	up_the_irons: yay, I'm an arp networks customer once again! :P just sent my order	[03:03]
up_the_irons	portertech: nice; how is the latency from japan?	[03:03]
portertech	currently surf'n on 4G, not really a good indication, I'll know more once I have an arp vps provisioned	[03:04]
up_the_irons	ah ok	[03:05]
eyecue	up_the_irons; is there an alternative to 95th percentile billing and/or volume bandwidth across multiple servers?	[03:05]
up_the_irons	eyecue: as in? those two are all i've ever heard of	[03:05]
eyecue	up_the_irons; two questions, can you do average usage billing, and second, can i purchase a block of bandwidth as a seperate line item to utilise across multiple servers, instead of a XXXgb block per server up_the_irons; rationale behind the question, we currently have 15 servers, 5 of which run high network utilisation workloads for 6 hours a day, and 0 for the rest of it, and the other 10 run more evently distributed network loads	[03:07]
up_the_irons	eyecue: bandwidth is already a separate line item (1 vps can use all of it, and the others can use none, etc...). i don't do average usage (other than 95th) eyecue: which 6 hours of the day? :)	[03:09]
eyecue	95th percentile works out to almost twice as expensive for us for the servers that burst for that short period a day, and the bandwidth that comes along with the other 10, goes under utilised over the month up_the_irons; umm, nighttime at gmt+10	[03:10]
up_the_irons	how high is the utilization?	[03:10]
eyecue	*looks at zabbix brb im going to drop :D vpn fail 15-20Mbps per server x 4 in/out sometimes 30-50% up on that	[03:10]
G	up_the_irons: thakns, I'll check it out soon	[03:14]
up_the_irons	G: np eyecue: i c	[03:16]
eyecue	:]	[03:16]
up_the_irons	eyecue: i'm low on space for colo, but i think someone that would be able to accommodate that is Syminet: http://syminet.com. The owner is Mark Symonds and he's a real cool guy. He buys bandwidth from me too, so it is same quality that I offer.	[03:17]
eyecue	up_the_irons; even vps's ? or straight physical colo only ?	[03:17]
up_the_irons	eyecue: oh, we're talking vps' here? thought you meant physical servers	[03:18]
eyecue	hopefully recomming some physicals as vps's	[03:18]
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eyecue	no point having a quad core around for 6 hours of usage not very IO heavy workloads, so its primarily a cpu/ram thing	[03:18]
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up_the_irons	eyecue: i can handle the vps needs; but why do average billing for that, i could give you a bulk discount on total data transer (GB) usage eyecue: yeah true	[03:19]
eyecue	up_the_irons; sure, i was wondering about flexibility over the billing model more so than the actual solution :) i know how hard it is to change in contract :D	[03:19]
up_the_irons	eyecue: generally, i'm flexible, if it makes sense. but i'd rather not create a whole new billing model if i don't have to ;)	[03:20]
eyecue	absolutely, everyone needs to make moneys in our .au deployment, we pay per month for the physical hardware, and buy a few tb of bandwidth to utilise coming into our distribution switches up_the_irons; ahh heres a good one, do you charge 95th percentile on the highest of up/down utilisation, or over the sum ?	[03:20]
up_the_irons	eyecue: cacti says: HRULE: \|95:bits:0:max:2\|	[03:24]
eyecue	:]	[03:24]
up_the_irons	i keep forgetting what that means ;)	[03:24]
eyecue	hehe	[03:24]
up_the_irons	i think it is the higher of the two	[03:24]
eyecue	roger that	[03:24]
up_the_irons	eyecue: where are you located?	[03:25]
eyecue	sydney, au deployments in bne, au, syd, au, and sfo, us	[03:26]
up_the_irons	nice	[03:27]
G	ahhh, good ol' BNE :)	[03:28]
eyecue	:]	[03:28]
G	I love that city, walking alongside the river etc	[03:28]
eyecue	up_the_irons; currently got a large mail infrastructure in US, HA-WWW arch in sydney, and dns services in BNE	[03:28]
G	want to get back there sometime	[03:29]
eyecue	G: not last year it wasnt (sure you saw the flood coverage) one of the biggest DC's in the country got literally shutdown	[03:29]
up_the_irons	eyecue: cool	[03:29]
G	eyecue: yeah, that flood...	[03:29]
up_the_irons	wow	[03:29]
eyecue	up_the_irons; exclusively freebsd	[03:29]
up_the_irons	eyecue: sweet	[03:29]
G	eyecue: which DC was that?	[03:29]
eyecue	G: AAPT iirc	[03:29]
G	ahhhh are they still owned by Telecom NZ? or did Telecom finally offload it to TPG?	[03:29]
eyecue	http://goo.gl/UNDIP no idea who knows who owns who these days check out those google results though ;)	[03:30]
G	true I guess :) eyecue: the bit of the CBD I used to work in was pretty much unaffected iirc	[03:30]
eyecue	nods i had a server in the Pipe DC on creek st it was up on a 45 degree street	[03:31]
G	Creek Street, which one is that again?	[03:31]
eyecue	Pipe Networks	[03:31]
G	eyecue: no, I meant which street :) I got the Pipe networks bit :)	[03:32]
eyecue	which street? creek street :D	[03:32]
G	ohhhh next one over from Edward St	[03:33]
eyecue	yeh, google maps was playing up there o_O	[03:33]
G	eyecue: Google Maps was giving me nowhere near the CBD	[03:34]
eyecue	yeh same	[03:34]
G	Redcliff for instances	[03:34]
eyecue	i even tried to redo the query i got 4034 where are you at at the moment ?	[03:34]
G	yep, I also got a bunch in the 4030's eyecue: New Zealand	[03:34]
eyecue	ah	[03:34]
G	eyecue: I moved back last year	[03:34]
eyecue	hopefully im coming over to Mt Hutt soon for skiing :D never seen snow in my life, very excited	[03:35]
G	I used to work on the otherside of the CBD... North Quay/Herschel Street way	[03:35]
eyecue	ive decided i dont like 95th percentile bandwidth models :\|	[03:35]
G	eyecue: do you get up to BNE much?	[03:36]
eyecue	useto live there moved back to syd a few years back lived in stones corner (near the gabba)	[03:36]
G	have you seen the Kurilpa Bridge?	[03:36]
eyecue	worked at park road milton	[03:36]
G	ahhh yep, know Park Road	[03:36]
eyecue	hehe, tank street bridge :D	[03:37]
G	iirc thats where APNIC were based	[03:37]
eyecue	yah yup, they were downstairs from us @ APN :] 33 park road win	[03:37]
G	eyecue: I generally refer to it as the Ugly Bridge :)	[03:37]
eyecue	i asked one of the apnic guys in the elevator one day for a /8 :]	[03:37]
G	eyecue: iirc that's also the building QTAC is/were in right?	[03:37]
eyecue	he laughed yup	[03:37]
G	eyecue: haha, thats a great one	[03:37]
eyecue	:)	[03:38]
G	Red Hat used to also be down Park Road	[03:38]
eyecue	mm, news to me how long ago ?	[03:38]
G	eyecue: ummm they shifted from there in 09 iirc	[03:38]
eyecue	ah k	[03:38]
G	no wait, 08	[03:38]
eyecue	memories :]	[03:38]
G	I think it was Mid 08	[03:38]
eyecue	ithat was right about the time i was there, ish.	[03:39]
G	I interviewed at their new place in August/September-ish 08, and started working for them in Nov 08	[03:39]
eyecue	one of the guys i worked with @ APn took this photo of my dd and his best mate in front of la dolce vita :D i can tell you exactly when we were there 18 august 08 :] waiting for linky ahh here we go http://keithrowell.com/365/2008-08-18.jpg	[03:39]
G	oh thats right, it wasn't directly on Park Rd, it was off a sidestreet	[03:42]
eyecue	http://keithrowell.com/365/2008-09-17.jpg <-- this ones inside la dolce vita	[03:42]
G	eyecue: nice	[03:43]
eyecue	:]	[03:43]
G	But yeah, that Tank Street bridge (imo) is Ugly :)	[03:44]
eyecue	big time	[03:44]
G	eyecue: what made it worse, was I had to see it litterally every single day	[03:44]
eyecue	:\| where were you working?	[03:44]
G	I'd say the only day I didn't see it, was the week I was couped up in bed sick as a dog :) eyecue: North Quay/Herschel Street	[03:45]
eyecue	kk	[03:45]
G	and I lived on Tank Street	[03:45]
eyecue	wow	[03:45]
G	I had a very fast commute :)	[03:46]
eyecue	20 a month for a fbsd vps on arp, nice	[03:46]
G	except I used to walk the long way around the block to get decent coffee :P	[03:46]
eyecue	:) i drove in after 9:30 to avoid traffic	[03:46]
G	eyecue: I didn't have that luxury	[03:47]
up_the_irons	eyecue: how did you hear about arp, btw?	[03:47]
eyecue	up_the_irons; mentioned it earlier, @obfuscurity	[03:47]
G	up_the_irons: btw, liked your tweet about Slicehost, didn't realise they were migrating everyone to RS Cloud	[03:47]
eyecue	uh, jason dixon	[03:47]
up_the_irons	eyecue: oh ok G: yeah i just heard about it a few days ago	[03:48]
eyecue	up_the_irons; https://twitter.com/#!/obfuscurity/status/67602845507125248 up_the_irons; i thought, if they do obsd, theyll do fbsd	[03:48]
up_the_irons	eyecue: yep :) freebsd is the most popular OS around here	[03:49]
eyecue	yay:) oo, 30loops using freebsd for their firewalls, cool.	[03:49]
up_the_irons	portertech: so did you move to slicehost and then come back here? ;)	[03:52]
portertech	I have vps's all over the map (except rackcloud/slicehost atm :P)	[03:53]
up_the_irons	nice	[03:53]
portertech	I've been meaning to drop a few and move back to arp	[03:53]
up_the_irons	anyone know if you can use CARP on a single /30 subnet? I know which HSRP and VRRP, you have to jump through hoops	[03:53]
eyecue	:) why do you think you couldnt ? 2 usable ?	[03:53]
G	up_the_irons: for what it's worth, before I asked you about the 2nd VPS, I signed up to Rack Cloud and took a look (really, I only need bursts of a second VPS every now and then, so I thought, all save heaps only pay a few dollars), I was mistaken :) I could have done it, but it would have been ugly	[03:54]
up_the_irons	G: hah	[03:55]
G	easier to just do it as a second VPS on ARP	[03:55]
up_the_irons	nice :)	[03:55]
eyecue	up_the_irons; each physical needs its own ip, plus the virtual ip up_the_irons; thus at least a /29	[03:55]
up_the_irons	eyecue: it's the virtual IP that concerns me. so, you have device A and device B (2 IPs), a broadcast address (1 IP), and network number (1 IP). no room for virtual IP	[03:56]
eyecue	correct you could proxy arp's, so they could speak but meh.	[03:57]
G	up_the_irons: they count powered down, time for costs, and the only way to keep the data w/o hourly charges is to move it to their files thing, and then delete the server (and get a new IP) etc	[03:57]
up_the_irons	so then you can't do CARP on a /30 ;)	[03:57]
G	so meh	[03:57]
eyecue	correct. ive read at some point that future versions may support it	[03:57]
up_the_irons	G: that's dumb	[03:57]
eyecue	but no specifics	[03:57]
up_the_irons	i c	[03:57]
eyecue	but carp does rock, majorly. running lagg+carp for our HA inf in sydney +haproxy+nginx (ssl) HSRP on the upstreams and for the private lan	[03:58]
G	ahhh I see CARP is kinda HA...	[03:58]
eyecue	G: its a patent free replacement for VRRP fail cisco.	[03:59]
G	ah ha, yep, I recognise it now :)	[04:01]
eyecue	now about that beta freebsd vps ;D	[04:02]
G	eyecue: Cisco seems to be the perfect example of "Do what I say, but not what I do" :)	[04:02]
eyecue	mm, indeed.	[04:02]
G	the one thing I really like about Cisco though, is IOS	[04:03]
eyecue	really? :)	[04:04]
G	eyecue: yeah, when they consistently apply the IOS style through devices, it's a godsend imo	[04:04]
eyecue	fair call i really wouldnt mind a small l3 cisco switch to play with	[04:05]
G	eyecue: I had to jump in the deep end w/ two of their Fibre Switches the other year, hadn't touched Cisco stuff for ages, but the basics stuck with me, and it all worked easy as pie	[04:06]
eyecue	i did that with my first 2621XM with one of my old clients	[04:06]
G	(keeping in mind that I'd only dealt w/ Cisco switches and routers in the past as well) Ethernet that is	[04:06]
eyecue	howd you find it ?	[04:06]
G	eyecue: easy as pie eyecue: sure I had to look at the documentation to understand the specifics, but as they keep the basic syntax and concepts/style the same, it was pretty easy	[04:07]
eyecue	of course, but looking at docs isnt a bad thing in the same vein as being able to regurg doco isnt necessarily a good thing :)	[04:08]
G	eyecue: sounds about right	[04:18]
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jlgaddis	up_the_irons: off the top of my head, i think you'll need a 4000/4500/5500/6500 to get that many vlans unless you go non-cisco, of course	[06:27]
eyecue	oh dear, MS gets skype.	[06:31]
G	eyecue: as I just said in another channel, hope Facebook is their next target	[06:32]
eyecue	:\| that aint gonna happen :)	[06:33]
G	sooner trust Microsoft w/ my personal data than Zuckerberg eyecue: they already own a small portion :)	[06:33]
eyecue	dont have a FB account :) so i dont have that problem	[06:33]
G	yeah, I've been meaning to delete mine for ages	[06:33]
eyecue	time for another glass of red bbs	[06:36]
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toddf	not that anyone here will be testing ariane's vmmap_sys diff at ARP but me, but I recommend you not do so, a system behaving as if it is 1mhz is not my cup of tea.	[13:01]
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alainb	hello everyone who do i have to talk to for getting extra ips ?	[13:01]
toddf	alainb: that would be up_the_irons if he's around, but generally those type of requests get shuffled to support@ anyway. prepare for $1/additional v4 IP.	[13:03]
alainb	ok well i just sent a email thanks anyway	[13:07]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: yeah i was aware that 4500/6500 do it, but i'm looking for like a 1U solution that isn't $7K+ (4900) ;)	[13:21]
toddf	up_the_irons: you can use CARP on a single IP w/out an IP in the system itself, just expect the BACKUP system can't access the network .. but that should be qed	[13:22]
up_the_irons	toddf: i'd put a management IP on the backup system on a separate interface, so accessing it wouldn't be a problem	[13:23]
toddf	or just do v6 for accessing, and v4 for legacy apps.. grin or if your apps speak v6, don't worry about that /30 ;-) (not quite clear what is being done, though, so some advice may be irrelevent)	[13:24]
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up_the_irons	toddf: i want to set up some kind of HA (hrsp/vrrp/carp/etc) for customer gateways	[13:27]
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toddf	up_the_irons: ah, then you want something like this:	[13:29]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons listens	[13:30]
toddf	toddf is currently whittling at shellcode, seemed simpler in head than in reality, will be a moment	[13:31]
up_the_irons	np	[13:34]
toddf	for h in /etc/hostname.vlan; do id=${h##vlan}; ( echo "vhid $id pass $(pwgen -s 64) carpdev vlan$id"; egrep "^description\|^inet " $h ) > /etc/hostname.carp$id; grep -v "^inet " $h > $h.tmp && mv $h.tmp $h; done in english, move your 'inet ' stuff from /etc/hostname.vlanX to /etc/hostname.carpX specifying carpdev in /etc/hostname.carpX in reference to vlanX	[13:36]
up_the_irons	sweet	[13:38]
toddf	note that if you want to do carp with IPv6 I'm currently trying to convince someone to do something about the fact that 'rtadvd carpX' will work, but 'ping6 -c 1 fe80::X%em0' is neccessary upon client's initial bootup or somehow packets don't get to the right place on the router.	[13:39]
up_the_irons	wish i could use it, however, my primary side router is a cisco 4500, so only hsrp and vrrp are my options	[13:39]
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toddf	(probably qed but 'rtadvd' takes a list of interfaces, don't run one instance per interface .. grin)	[13:41]
up_the_irons	i c	[13:43]
toddf	which also makes me curious, tell me if this is asking too much info, but do you have anything non default on your openbsd v6 router? typical v6 routers respond to a ping6 of ff02::2%em0 but yours doesn't..	[13:43]
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toddf	I will try to reproduce with qemu -serial tcp:... but if anybody can point out what is required to send a break sequence over conserver to an ARP vps.. I'd be much obliged ;-) the ^Ecl0 seems not to be working for me..	[13:50]
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up_the_irons	toddf: it's pretty default	[13:52]
toddf	I'm sure there's a reason. even if it has to do with loonix filtering something on the vlans (which I doubt, but you never know..)	[13:52]
up_the_irons	toddf: nah, there should be no filtering at all on the vlans	[13:53]
toddf	pf.conf icmp filtering on the routers?	[13:54]
up_the_irons	nope	[13:54]
toddf	its just .. odd. because any other system I've seen with net.inet6.ip6.forwarding=1 responds to ff02::2, but it clearly is forwarding packets... ;-) random curious itch I'm scratching. no big deal, just .. odd. ;-)	[13:55]
up_the_irons	yeah	[13:56]
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toddf	odd, seems I have a local switch blocking something or something .. my laptop doesn't see traffic sent to ff02::2%fxp0 from a system on the same ethernet segment.	[14:02]
up_the_irons	hehe	[14:03]
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jlgaddis	up_the_irons: as much as i shit on hp, i quite like their stuff for layer 2	[14:47]
up_the_irons	jlgaddis: o'rly? then maybe i'll check it out, cuz all i need is layer 2	[14:49]
jlgaddis	yeah, the layer 2 stuff is solid. just don't try to route anything. =)	[14:52]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: ok :)	[14:53]
jlgaddis	i'm not sure what list is on the e4210-48g, but i think that'd do what you need and should be ~$1800 or less list	[14:53]
up_the_irons	awesome i also got a suggestion for extreme networks x350 and an juniper EX4200-48P so i got some homework to do bet the juniper will burn my fucking bank down	[14:53]
jlgaddis	easily 2x the hp	[14:55]
fink	bankburner!	[14:55]
jlgaddis	the ex4200 is nicer though they're stackable, too, if that matters virtual chassis shit	[14:55]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: stackable may be nice when i exceed 48 vm hosts i'm at 22 now, so it's not unlikely that'll happen within the next year or two	[14:58]
jlgaddis	out of curiousity, how many physical... ahh ok =)	[14:58]
up_the_irons	:)	[14:59]
jlgaddis	gonna need another cage	[14:59]
up_the_irons	nah, i can go to at least 48 in the same space i have an empty cab that can do 15 servers and then i might have a colo customer giving up a cab within the next year they got sucked into "the cloud"	[14:59]
jlgaddis	oh, one of those	[15:00]
up_the_irons	srsly	[15:00]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: what is the cli like on the hp's? is it "cisco-like" or... ?	[15:13]
	"VLAN support and tagging: support IEEE 802.1Q, with 4094 simultaneous VLAN IDs " yeah, so the HP can do what I want, cool can't wait to replace this Dell PowerConnect 5324 to be fair, it did its job for two years and was < $300	[15:18]
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jlgaddis	up_the_irons: not exactly like ios, but not majorly different. biggest thing you'll notice is how vlan's are configured.	[15:20]
up_the_irons	jlgaddis: ok i wonder if there is a rancid profile for HP	[15:21]
jlgaddis	instead of 'conf t ; int <port> ; switchport vlan access <x>' its 'vlan <x> ; untagged <port>' or 'vlan <x> ; tagged <port>' instead of "switchport trunk ..." basically yes, there is. i use rancid with all my procurves. s/cisco/hp/ in the router.db file	[15:21]
up_the_irons	jlgaddis: oh sweet, cool	[15:23]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: (re rancid profile) jlgaddis: that vlan config is like force10 i don't have any force10, but a buddy of mine let me work on one once	[15:24]
jlgaddis	yeah the old foundry's were the same way	[15:24]
up_the_irons	i c	[15:25]
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jlgaddis	if you do end up getting an hp, ping me if you need anything. i, unfortunately, have way too much experience with them.	[15:28]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: sure will do	[15:39]
	jlgaddis: why are some blue-ish and some grey? i take it the grey ones are the older model? grey/white that is	[15:46]
jdoe	procurve?	[15:49]
jlgaddis	the e4210's were 3com's originally oh, which means the cli is different and they probably don't have a lifetime warranty glad i just thought of that. not sure if that makes a difference to you or not.	[15:49]
up_the_irons	jlgaddis: it actually does say lifetime warranty why can't i find an f'in picture of one of these that is bigger than a thumbnail?!	[15:50]
pilgrimd	up_the_irons: which model(s)?	[15:54]
up_the_irons	pilgrimd: e4210-48g	[15:55]
pilgrimd	up_the_irons: Is this large enough: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/PH_001737/PH_001737.JPG	[15:58]
up_the_irons	pilgrimd: omg, yes, thank you!	[15:59]
jlgaddis	that's not it i have some of those in my office, i think they're 2510s	[15:59]
up_the_irons	yeah looks like the 2510	[16:00]
pilgrimd	pilgrimd can't see worth crap, it seems.	[16:00]
up_the_irons	those guys are pretty weak it seems, only 64 vlans	[16:00]
jlgaddis	thinking about it, i don't think any of the procurves (made by hp) can do 4094 vlan's. well, not 1u fixed-port layer 2 only ones. just the stuff they got from 3com	[16:01]
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jlgaddis	those 4210s are probably the lowest end model that can	[16:02]
up_the_irons	roger that i wonder how good the ex-3com stuff is	[16:03]
jlgaddis	haven't used any of it personally, but i've heard good things if it were me and i could afford it, i would go with an ex4200 though cisco > juniper > hp, imo =)	[16:04]
up_the_irons	yeah :)	[16:05]
pilgrimd	(vendor j)++	[16:06]
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up_the_irons	jesus the ex4200 is expensive (why am i surprised) like $7K	[16:07]
jlgaddis	talk to a sales guy and tell them it's between the ex4200 and a c4500 but you're "just not quite sure yet" and ask if he can do anything juniper salespeople right now have a lot of leeway in throwing discounts out (especially if you're a new customer)	[16:08]
up_the_irons	oh i c	[16:09]
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up_the_irons	found one at buy.com for $5K	[16:10]
pilgrimd	$7k for a 48-port gig switch? sheesh. 3750X's are less than that.	[16:10]
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up_the_irons	oh the ex4200 is L3 don't need L3	[16:11]
jlgaddis	3750-x can't do 4094 vlans	[16:12]
up_the_irons	pilgrimd: don't think the 3750's can do 4K active vlans though	[16:12]
jlgaddis	you don't have to use l3 features, of course	[16:12]
jpalmer	(but you do have to pay for them!)	[16:13]
up_the_irons	yeah but you have to pay for it :)	[16:13]
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jlgaddis	2200 might work, one sec ahhh, nope. only 1k vlans	[16:13]
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jpalmer	up_the_irons: you have 4k vlans in your environment?	[16:14]
jlgaddis	with 48 physical servers on a switch, it could easily be hit since each customer has a vlan	[16:14]
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up_the_irons	jpalmer: i'll have more than 1k vlans in about a year, so i don't want to reach that limit too soon	[16:15]
jlgaddis	ex3200 can do it, but it's layer 3 also	[16:15]
up_the_irons	is it cheaper? :)	[16:15]
jpalmer	gotcha. that's what I was asking. are you at 4k, or is that expansion sized. ;)	[16:16]
jlgaddis	$2870 says google shopping	[16:16]
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up_the_irons	better jpalmer: yeah not at 4k yet, not even close ;)	[16:16]
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jlgaddis	ex3200 48p, there ya go looking to replace the 4500 or whatever it is you're running now?	[16:18]
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up_the_irons	jlgaddis: no, the 4500 is great and is here to stay, but i am building a redudant diverse path network for each VM host, that won't touch the 4500 (this is for redundancy obviously) s/redundancy/ha/	[16:21]
jpalmer	redundancy is so.. redundant.	[16:22]
up_the_irons	lol heading home, bbl	[16:23]
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koobs	moin!	[17:24]
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up_the_irons	the demo at the bottom is pretty cool: http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4200/	[19:09]
koobs	fail server failure.	[19:10]
jlgaddis	i was out at juniper and some young guy was talking about mpls and this guy with us corrected him. the juniper guy started to argue with him until we told him that the guy was ivan pepelnjak.	[19:19]
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jlgaddis	http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1587050021.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg =)	[19:20]
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up_the_irons	LOL	[19:26]
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up_the_irons	the juniper EX3200 and EX4200 are not too different in price they don't seem to be very different either, apart from virtual chassis and dual power supplies actually, let me say, the ebay pricing isn't too much different (even for new in box ) can't believe newegg sells it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833415005&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Network+-+Switches-_-Juniper+Networks++Inc.-_-33415005 no f'in way would i pay that	[19:27]
jlgaddis	well holy fuck, cdw is actually cheaper for once!	[19:29]
up_the_irons	yeah like half comparison shopping on the internet is exhausting	[19:30]
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niccos	any admins around?	[19:39]
fink	niccos: what's wrong? up_the_irons: google shopping?	[19:44]
up_the_irons	fink: indeed fink: and going to manufacturer websites trying to find data sheets to compare features / req's	[19:44]
niccos	I think I fixed it	[19:44]
fink	up_the_irons: newegg is good for brand new stuff but they might not carry the kind of things you need	[19:45]
up_the_irons	yeah	[19:45]
niccos	yep, fixed it :p	[19:45]
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niccos	ok, so I thought I did, but maybe I didnt I bound my set of ip's to my interfaces, and I can ping them, but irssi wont bind to them I get connection timed out	[19:48]
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fink	niccos: OS?	[19:50]
niccos	ubuntu server 10.04	[19:51]
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niccos	any ideas?	[20:00]
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