#arpnetworks 2011-05-06,Fri

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raphidaeHi, I have an issue with a bot in one of your ipv6 blocks
anyone available for that?
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RandalSchwartzI think abuse@arpnetworks.com is how to handle that [06:45]
raphidaeit's not abuse [06:46]
RandalSchwartzif that bounces, I know support@ works
if it's not abuse, why should the ISP care?
look up the customer, and contact them directly
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raphidaeit's public information? [06:48]
RandalSchwartzof course
the v6 delegations are there
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raphidaenot delegated
2607:f2f8:ad00::26
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RandalSchwartzahh - I see the v6 delegations aren't installed. Garry is bad today. :)
email support@ to get the customer then.
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raphidaeokay, thanks [06:50]
RandalSchwartzand I'll have to nudge him to get the v6 delegations installed
because yes, in theory, the v6 delegations *are* public record
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toddfrandalschwartz: feel free to add my name to the list of interested parties in your 'nudge' ;-) [06:54]
RandalSchwartzthanks
it's probably just a lot of paperwork
but it'll definitely become more necessary as we finish v6 entry
and it'll prevent confusion like just now
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toddfsomehow I thought whois records were maintained. must have mis remembered. [06:56]
LTthink it's only for v4 delegations over a certain size [06:57]
RandalSchwartzyeah - I know I have a whois delegation, because I have a /28
I think that's the cutoff
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toddf2010/02/21/freenode-#arpnetworks:172540 < jlgaddis> a /29 or larger is supposed to be SWIP'd to the end user/customer, however [06:58]
RandalSchwartzthere ya go
I wonder what it is for v6
clearly not /29, or the entire net would have one whois :)
(only true for comic effect)
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raphidae/64 and up I assume [06:59]
RandalSchwartz64 is just a segment [07:00]
raphidaeor down rather ;) [07:00]
RandalSchwartzI presume you mean /56 or so
which is logically the smallest to assign to a customer
unless you know the customer is only a single segment ever
[07:00]
raphidaehmm, could be [07:00]
toddfhe.net assigns a /64 only by default, have to 'request' the /48 to be allocated [07:00]
RandalSchwartzhere it'd be /48 :) [07:00]
raphidaethere are isps handing out 64's tho [07:00]
RandalSchwartzthose isps are presuming a single segment then
if not, they don't get the vast size of v6 space
/48s should be given out like candy, free for the asking
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toddfthose preparing for / wanting whois swip'ed for v6 may wish to be sure the 'right' info is ready to be published: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/how-do-i-change-what-appears-in-arins-whois-for-my-ip-block [07:02]
raphidaethat's exactly how they treated the ipv4 space in the past
look how that turned out ;)
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RandalSchwartznot the same scale at all
unless you think we're trying not to run out in ten billion years
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raphidaeif in 20 years we will want to address billions of nanobots it'll be drama all over again [07:02]
RandalSchwartzbecause that's how long it'll take if you gave every current ipv4 holder a /32
because that's how many there are. :)
so I think "every isp gets a /32, and hands out /48 to each customer" is *quite* viable
and still leaves us with 1000 years of addressing
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raphidaeexactly what the train of thought was for ipv4 [07:04]
RandalSchwartzbut with a lot fewer bits [07:04]
toddftoddf wonders what this does to the addressing scheme if we start addressing celstial objects and galactic networks and other habitated planets [07:04]
greenskeletonif we start living longer than that it might be tedious to learn yet another addressing system [07:04]
RandalSchwartzby then we'll all be using holo-addressing anyway
who needs numbers when you have direct neuron communication
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greenskeletonshould solve the problem of relative time [07:05]
raphidaeipv12 could be qubits ;) [07:05]
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toddfhttps://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six55
I think there is a typo. "the assigning organization is responsible" seems like it would make more sense if it said "the assigned organization is responsible" since the organization making the assignments is already responsible. heh.
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RandalSchwartzworking on a nice freebsd zfs send/recv remote cloning tool
if this works the way I hope, I can start mirroring my ARP filesystems to texas for BCP
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twobitha1kerCool, I've been planning to set up something like that for doing backups of my remote systems to my storage box at home [11:24]
toddfbe careful. remote mirroring in realtime means remote mirroring of rm operations in realtime. [11:27]
RandalSchwartzI'm also mirroring the snapshots [11:28]
toddf;-) [11:28]
RandalSchwartzso the remotes will be as reliable as the locals [11:28]
toddfyou and your zfs snapshots.
someone needs to write a zfs alike filesystem that isn't gpl that isn't memory or cpu intensive. 'useable by mere mortals and all systems'.
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reardencodemaybe btrfs some day [11:29]
RandalSchwartzsee "not gpl" [11:29]
reardencodeoh right. [11:29]
jpalmerone day, I'll probably jump on this zfs bandwagon. that'll probably be about the same tiem that zfs is the default FS ona standard freebsd install. [11:30]
RandalSchwartzit's selectable on PCBSD now [11:30]
mike-burnsI'd also, for once, like a programming language to come with a doesItHalt function that takes a function and produces a boolean. Also not GPL. [11:30]
reardencodeI don't think you can get away from CPU intensive if you want COW and reliability of ZFS -- can get away from memory intensive by carefully designed trees maybe [11:30]
toddfthe day zfs becomes standard for freebsd is the day freebsd stops running on lower end systems. [11:30]
RandalSchwartzand you can use PCBSD to install a "straight" freebsd [11:30]
toddfI'll take donations of all the freebsd boxen that won't run freebsd then. ;-)
reardencode: I wouldn't know. but I also know that 256mb is not a recommended size for a filesystem such as zfs, and if the filesystem requires that much, its way too much of a pig for me.
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reardencodetoddf: agreed, I switched back to UFS when I moved to ARP. [11:36]
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RandalSchwartzcool - got my script just about working
ran into trouble trying to use zfs send -R, so now I'm doing the recursion by hand
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Dinosaurhi, how long does it usually take to get a new "cdrom" installed?
my new account was enabled within an hour instead of 24-48, so I'm happy so far.
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Dinosaurhello? [14:35]
RandalSchwartznormal answer. 24-48 hours. :)
but also possible sooner
eventually, that'll be automated
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DinosaurDinosaur rubs his eyes.
Is that you?
Really you?
of Perl fame?
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RandalSchwartzindeed
I'm an ARP customer
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Dinosaursorry we didn't meet before. [14:40]
RandalSchwartzyour name sounds familiar [14:41]
DinosaurI'm wondering how to do VPN over ssh to get into my server. [14:41]
RandalSchwartzhave you uploaded your ssh key? [14:41]
Dinosauryes, it should be. I'll tell you why in privmsg. [14:41]
RandalSchwartz... http://www.arpnetworks.com/vps/management-console
then hit "t" and follow the instructions
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Dinosaurthanks Randal. [14:45]
RandalSchwartzand from your control panel, you can upload the ssh key
instructions are tehre.
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finkwhat's PERL? [14:55]
mike-burnsLong ago, in a Web bubble far, far away ... [14:58]
pjshah
anyone have second network interfaces on their VPS? just seems like the easiest way to create a small blocked off internal network without having to actually build a gateway/nat box
well, easiest in terms of firewalling.. :) I can just skip a second interface instead of adding a bunch of special rules for special situations lol
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finkpjs: i use vlan interfaces for internal jails [15:04]
pjsfink, ah nice.. and these can be used normally in pf? [15:08]
finkyea
just like any other int
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pjsawesome [15:08]
finkunless you need carp/altq
but it's not usually an issue, you can workaround it
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jlgaddishey randal, what's your website again about the cruises? [15:12]
pjsnaw, I don't.. just want to make it easy on my firewall rules :) [15:12]
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greenskeletonjlgaddis: http://www.insightcruises.com/ [17:16]
jlgaddisgracias [17:26]
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RandalSchwartzjlgaddis - hanging out with Neil now [18:11]
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finkRandalSchwartz: how was your upgrade to 8.2? [18:35]
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DinosaurOpenBSD is now running at 4.9, thanks to Todd Fries for documenting the mpbios issue. [19:00]
jpalmerRandalSchwartz: ping? [19:13]
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