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[10:47] <whitefang> tuv: either can be used, I'm using 64bit
[10:47] <whitefang> I think 64bit memory usage might be slightly more but only by a very very small amount
[10:47] <whitefang> i think the difference in memory usage between 32bit and 64bit is about 5%
[10:48] <whitefang> i can't remember exactly though, I do remember looking into it before I decided which arch I was going to run and it looked like there is really no reason not to run 64bit
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[11:57] <chess> hi do you have OpenBSD 4.8 template avail. now? will 4.9 be ready when it's released in a few days?  thx.
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[13:30] <tuv> pilgrimd, whitefang: thanks
[13:32] <tuv> afaict, arpnetworks doesn't provide resource monitoring facilities (cpu usage, memory usage, bandwidth usage, network traffic, ... etc). am i right? and if so, how are you guys monitoring your systems?
[13:52] <whitefang> i think they'll setup some monitoring specifically for you if you request it
[13:53] <whitefang> for bandwidth monitoring myself
[13:53] <whitefang> i installed vnstat
[13:53] <whitefang> bandwidth usage statistics and it records by month and stuff
[13:54] <DaCa> chess: I think most OpenBSD users in here are just running -current, it's damn easy to just boot bsd.rd from the serial console and upgrade to whatever release or snapshot you want to run
[14:08] <toddf> bandwidth is monitored via cacti if you request it, not everyone uses it, so why bother drawing graphs nobody looks at by default?
[14:09] <twobithacker> huh, I don't remember requesting it, but I got a cacti login and can see my bandwidth usage
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[14:54] <up_the_irons> toddf: twobithacker : cacti graphs are now created automatically (before it was manual, so I didn't do it until requested)
[14:55] <toddf> aah, will update pseudo auto regurgitation responses then. *grin*.
[14:58] <up_the_irons> lol
[15:20] <RandalSchwartz> so I should be able to see my bandwidth too?
[15:21] <RandalSchwartz> or do I still need to request from support?
[15:25] <toddf> if you dont' see a link for cacti in each control panel you login to at arpnetworks, you should request via support@ to see it
[15:25] <toddf> if you want to see it that is ;-)
[15:29] <RandalSchwartz> ahh.  so I still need to submit a request
[15:29] <RandalSchwartz> sounded like it was automatic nw.
[15:29] <RandalSchwartz> pw
[15:29] <RandalSchwartz> now
[15:29] <RandalSchwartz> one of those. :)
[15:30] <toddf> you're an ancient customer, get over it, request for all the extras everybody gets for free now with the new signups! ;-)
[15:30] <toddf> you got serial console when you signed up by default, right?  didn't used to even exist as an option ... I'm quite happy to have seen that improvement *grin*
[15:31] <RandalSchwartz> echo "make me one with everything!" | mail support@arpnetworks.com
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[17:00] <fink> is there an arp ntp server?
[17:02] <RandalSchwartz> no real need... arp is pretty close to a lot of big ones
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[17:06] <RandalSchwartz> Darn it... hung my emacs process. :)
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[18:43] <DDevine> RandalSchwartz: serves you right for using Emacs.
[18:44] <azmarco> 'dems fightin' words
[18:46] <RandalSchwartz> heh
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[18:52] <jpalmer> emacs would have offered to correct 'dems'  so obviously, azmarco isn't an emacs user.
[18:57] <azmarco> i value the little sanity i have left
[18:58] * azmarco runs for the hills
[19:34] <chess> DaCa: yeah, I figured that was probably the case.  I run -current on my laptop but my home servers usually stick with release
[20:01] <whitefang> i heard openbsd was developed in an igloo
[20:01] <whitefang> RandalSchwartz: that's so tempting
[20:01] <whitefang> i'm kinding wondering if cacti would show identical results as vnstat
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