up_the_irons: awake by chance?
is the server having problems?
weird I can't get to login via ssh
kantotin: something weird going on with routing, I think
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FreeBSD ionise.org 8.2-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p1 #2 r220966: Sat Apr 23 05:16:24 PDT 2011     root@ionise.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
i r protected
i swear since my reboot everything has been faster
like I can feel the improvement over ssh
its weird, i dunno
i did have a lot of random services onestarted cause I was screwing with stuffz
hello, i just noticed that the free/openbsd vps specials are now coming with 400gb of transfer instead of 200gb.
Do I get that 400gb with the vps i have now?
If not, should'nt I? I paid for extra ip addresses and such...and if I dont, whats it going to take for me to get that extra 200gb ?
I think you simply pay a one-time nominal fee to get upgraded
after all someone at ARP has to type something on your behalf. :)
but why should he pay if they upgraded the EXTACT same plan
because he bought a different plan
the old one
ya then they updated his plan... i think they should just give the extra 200gb
nope.
I don't agree.
they are not upgrading a plan
then thats bad for the business
they are offering a different plan that has more
dude
they offer the 20/month plan with 400gb he bought it when it was 200gb
seriously.  costs must be kept to minimum here.
they should give him the dam 200gb
yes - that's a DIFFERENT plan
why should he get a DIFFERENT plan without paying something?
because its the same bullshit plan just an extra 200gb which wouldnt make a difference if the company is doing well
there's the $20 for 200GB plan (no longer being offered)
and the $20 for 400GB plan (currently being offered)
how hard is that to understand?
then jsut fucking upgrade his plan as hes bought alot of shit
sure - for a nominal fee.
I think it's like $10 or so
if it was my company i would because then its good customer service
nah should be free because the fucked him over
go ahead and do it then.
go compete with arp
i could do 20 times better :)
until you are doing it, you don't really know what does and doesn't cost money
and you're just bs'ing
RandalSchwartz you dont think i work for a hosting company already?
I don't really care
I'm just relaying facts.
i fucking know what costs money and what doesnt as im a system admin for them
question asked and answered.  next item.
If the company changes any plans to something better the customer is always upgraded free of charge... thats how they kept the millions of customers they have
good for that company
dude you dont even work here so stfukthxbia
that's not how it's done here.
no - I'm just a happy customer.
and a small business owner.
and even as a customer, I'm *glad* they charge for that kind of service.
good afternoon
because it keeps *my* costs down
ok
i can get down with a one time fee.
just how much would this fee be, RandalSchwartz?
anyone know if there's a reason I shouldn't upgrade my VPS to FreeBSD 8.2-R?
twiggz i wouldnt if you bought extra shit
twiggz - not sure, but it's nominal
just enough to pay for a few minutes of operator time :)
I think it's like $10 or $20
twobithacker: no, i wouldnt yet atleast. My 8.1 vps is still ticking strong and getting updates. Its not EOL so why upgrade unless you need some features?
10 bucks for a few minutes?
i can get my brakes changed for 40 bucks in half an hour.
lol
then do that instead, if it's cheaper. :)
"I can get a coke for $1.50 - it shouldn't be any more than that!"
same logic :)
not saying i wont pay it, i just think thats a bit ...much. yes, im a cheapskate..which is why i have a vps with yout guys instead of keeping my corenetworks dedi to begin with.
I was mainly just figuring I'd upgrade since I was going to be recompiling the kernel anyway to start messing about with IPsec
i prefer uptime over tinkering.
So, RandalSchwartz, you are aware of the pkg I have... freebsd vps, 200gb transfer, 5 ips...i want the extra 200gb transfer.
Being vague in what its going to cost me to get that is not pleasing me.
10 - 20 dollars is not very specific.
If its a one time 20 dollar fee, then so it is.
I don't work for the company.  I'm just a customer.
then shut you damn mouth!
I asked the same thing a few weeks ago, and was quoted with some small number like that.
im not asking you!
I don't remember the exact number, because it was "non-zero but small enough"
im asking someone who works here.
there may not be anyone awake here right now
that's why I answered. :)
if there was, they would have answered 45 lines ago
and this conversation would be shorter. :)
im going to shoot them an email..on thing i cant say about arpnetworks..their support in email could use a kick in the ass.
they take forever.
otherwise ive had no problems.
twiggz - you do realize there's only two or three people in the company, right?
that's why the costs are so low
and they have day jobs elsewhere.
they'll answer email within 48 hours, usually 12 hours
but not much faster except by accident.
how wonderful for them? no disrespect, but if youre going to run a business..do it right.
uh - if you want 24x7 coverage, price the same thing at media temple
you'll pay a lot more
you chose this place for cost
and you get support at that level
no, i chose this place out of a recommendation
and then noticed tht it was nicely priced.
whats a paying job at a shell company? i work for free lol
well - it's agressively priced :)
personally, I've found arp to be more responsive and knowledgable than some other full-time VPS providers
twobithacker: corenetworks responds to my emails withing no more than 15 minutes.
but they are insane.
they wanted 150 bucks to add a gig of ram to my dedi.
so i canceled their ass.
out of all the providers ive gone through ..even though corenetworks are some insane buttholes, they do respond to emails and tickets quicker than a somalian chasing an ice cream man...
and that's expensive
I'd rather ARP spend on good nets and hardware
that's why I'm here
I can put up with a 48-hour delay for a request
as long as it's not 72 hours :)
corenetworks also responded to reports of a ddos and had them nulled in a 15 minute average also which is good...i havent found a provider thats done that in a long time ...
most of them just null traffic to your ip addresses and let you suffer instead of handling business.
i was trying to find a link to your various datacenters... is it all in LA?
joeDeuce: !
yes, all in LA
twiggz: !
ah, ok
with biometric fingerprint access for colos
i need to find one in the UK
your own badge and shit to get in!
you get to get into the matrix with a colo!
i guess my jail guard badge wouldn't get me in :/
lol
i bet it would if you flash it real quick
you are a state law enforcement officer.
lol
you just work at a prison...dealing with the scum of the earth after the pussy police give them to you.
indeed
the police have tasers and shit
not us
easy to capture a criminal...hard to deal with his monkey ass after hes incarcerated.
we use our hands!
...police have guns, beanbag shotguns, tazers, mace, batons, etc..
joeDeuce - try elastichosts
they have UK presence
a bit more spendy than ARP
RandalSchwartz: thanks
they let you walk around with a damn what?
I'll be using them for a second server
a baton?
even that?
offsite hot spare
so while I happily have four boxes here, I need to have a box or two that *isn't* ARP as part of my COB planning
BCP I guess it's now called
and you ahve prisoners throwing feces and lord knows what else at you
like monkeys
i couldnt be a correctional officer...nor could most police.
and I thought *my* job was nuts. :)
oh but when there is a riot, joeDeuce gets a ruger mini 14 rifle in .223 caliber
lol
or a teargas gun
elastichosts has servers in texas and the UK
or a beanbag shotgun
texas is far enough away from LA to start with :)
or he gets to throw hornetsnests grenades
lol
and elastichosts provides VNC and serial console
RandalSchwartz: i am from louisiana, baton rouge to be exact. We hate you texans.
You texans hate us.
and "install anything you want" access
elastichosts is even offering a free trial
nice
I never understood why.
I'm nowhere near texas. :)
although I have been there
i live in arkansas now
they have power there now?
i love arkansas..our gun laws own.
smartass.
yes, and running water.
both hot and cold?
joeDeuce: you have a vps and 2 dedis..wtf are you doing?
making routing problems for me?
yes, RandalSchwartz. I have one of those "green" water heaters
its awesome.
joeDeuce is trying to create more routing problems for my irc network.
thats what his ass is doing.
son of a bitch
lol
nah, trying to kick linode to the curb
go all FreeBSD
you should.
freebsd is win
linux is a nice desktop..but its not a very nice server.
i could attempt a FreeBSD install on linode... i don't think it would be easy though
freebsd is a nice desktop also if you dont count that it doesnt support alot of big name mp3 players and other media players that linux does
they are to worried about catering to the apple emos.
so i keep debian testing on my desktop, freebsd on servers...
wheezyyyyy (in george jefferson voice)
openbsd is a nice quick desktop if you are only interested in certain applications for it ...
as a whole.if you dont mind old shit ...openbsd is nice..
freebsd is kept much more up to date ports wise.
openbsd as "tidy" as freebsd?
even more so if you ask me
its more simplified also
just my opinion
dude on sindustries.org irc has a sparc running openbsd...im tempted to link him just so i can have a shell on it ...lame reason i know...
openbsd has its ports also...
shit, i can install openbsd atleast 3 minutes quicker on any box you give me compared to freebsd ...xorg and all...
freebsd does not come with xorg.
lol
scuse me..xenocara...
openbsd has no xorg, the afro engineer up xorg their own way and call it xenocara.
no idea why...you still run X -configure and everything else to get it going.
i try not to pay much attention to openbsd devs in their channels, acting all high and mighty and shit....bitter because their OS is not really used very widely outside of driver development.
yeah, they dont have respect for anyone...why should anyone respect them?
#openbsd is probably the most hostile channel i join.
which isnt alot, because i hate freenode and the fascists that run it with all their anal rules.
the opensolaris channel is more hostile than openbsd
slowlaris
people have died waiting on that bullshit to install
because they're all "why are you using osol if you weren't already a solaris user"
solaris is crap on anything but a sparc to begin with..portability is not a concern even on their list as far as i can tell..
id rather openbsd or freebsd on a sparc.
well - I went to osol for zfs on EC2
now you can get fbsd on ec2, so it's easier
when it's running :)
yeah - when ec2 runs :)
of course, freebsd has no fault in that
nor osol
i have no use for zfs
sure its got alot of features
but its also resource hoggy
and its not like i cant make backups or do anything else with ufs2
:/
zfs isnt that great.
ZFS snapshots are much nicer than UFS2 snapshots
like you can just restore a snapshot to the live filesystem
and creating them doesn't lock up the FS for a minute
ive never had ufs2 snapshots lock any system of mine up
and if ufs2 works...then it works...
really? on a 600GB dataset it take me about a minute to snapshot UFS2, during which all reads and writes are locked
i dont need 90% of the zfs features...nor do i need it hogging up my resources.
Like any technology, you have to match the filesystem to the use pattern.
I run UFS on most of my VPSes simply because it's a single disk and the image is almost completely static.  Carve off a bit for var, stuff all the changing stuff there. Done.
On a fileserver with terabyte-scale volumes?  No way I'd use UFS.
on a server with tereabyte + drives, you also hav emoney for the ram zfs eats.
Well yes. :)
My home server has 18 GB of memory.
2gb of ram has always been sufficient...i have a debian stable dedi with 512mb that runs more shit than you would think...
and it ticks on faithfully.
But you probably aren't running VMs on it, which is what my home server does.
that servers alot more shit for fun than ive seen production servers do
I swear the VM industry is single-handedly propping up the RAM industry.
thats what i used my corenetworks dedi for
leasing vps /jails
freebsd jails make excellent vps
that was 2 years ago
I had some of those for a while.  It was OK, but the lack of an addressable loopback interface was a pain often.
i made a bit of money and got tired of screwing with it all the time
pilgrimd: vimage is supposed to fix that, but right now it breaks a bunch of other stuff
a freebsd jail is better than a xen VM imo
thank god these folks use qemu
xen is the devil.
jails are great if you don't need to do resource reservations
define resource reservations.
fixed memory and cpu utilization on a per-vm basis
you can allocate so much ram so much cpu time to a jail
and disc space
really? when did they add that?
ill be fucked if i remember how after two years ...i just use ezjail now for my own personal use
im not leasing them out to people for vps anymore so i dont remember, blame my barbituate and alcohol regiment.
I remember Verio saying at BSDCan a few years back that they were going to submit their jail resource management code back to core
but I didn't think it ever happened
plus id rather a freebsd system inside of a real freebsd system compared to some ubuntu crap running freebsd on top of it...
which is probably what i have with arpnetworks
:/
but atleast its qemu and not xen...and its been stable.
i know this shit runs on some sort of linux
its the easy way out
arp runs kvm/qemu, and runs it on linux hosts
could the same thing work on freebsd hosts?
yeap.
for instance, qemu is the only VM software openbsd offers iirc
if it works on obsd, damn sure it runs on freebsd.
freebsd is much more up to date and offers alot more software in ports/pkgs than obsd does.
iirc, kvm/qemu used hvm, plain qemu doesn't. I'd expect it to be significantly slower.
hi twiggz
hello, fink.
yo FireTalon! did you bring your white hood?
lol
(he is wearing it)
he just forgot his horse.
fink, i tried fink on osx once, it was complete nonsense...along with the rest of OSX
I guess I have to wait till monday for my vps to be activated
:(
yea, macports is what i use, fink sucks
i should check my email, maybe by now ive recieved a reply about my request. I doubt it though.
yeap
no joy.
do you guys need a receptionist or something?
lol
brb, liquor store run.