***: ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: G: milki : it's all about IPMI and virtual serial port. IPMI presents a "real" serial port to the OS and on the other end it is accessible over the network. It is the best of both worlds. A real serial port accessible over IP, without any additional cables (b/c the IPMI port is already plugged into the network)
cd $food G: up_the_irons: yeah, won't deny that IPMI is the right direction now, I was really just concerntrating on something that presents itself to the OS as a serial port though up_the_irons: G: yeah, but i'm saying IPMI *also* presents itself to the OS as a real serial port using the SOL (Serial-over-LAN) feature
G: so you get KVM over IP and serial over IP in one device G: up_the_irons: ahhh, never had a use for KVM over IP/etc
well, when Serial over Cyclades or similar was avail to me up_the_irons: i c bob^^: IPMI is nice G: which reminds me, I should get a serial card for my desktop ***: Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks
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Zuul has joined #arpnetworks raptelan|work: IPMI rocks. ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: BAMPF!)
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Sheath is now known as Husky azmarco: toddf and i were working on designing a serial console server
i'd give you the link, but the site doesn't appear to be alive anymore =( -: jlgaddis likes the opengear's ***: cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks
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nerdd_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) toddf: azmarco: yeah, I failed to reconfig the webserver on my vps when it got reloaded. on my todo list *sigh*. sorry, will get it up 'soon' azmarco: no worries ***: nerdd has joined #arpnetworks
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mota has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: omfg, this had me rollin'!! http://i.imgur.com/y7Hm9.jpg mike-burns: Haha! RandalSchwartz: is there a larger version of that?
"code thirsty, my friends" up_the_irons: not sure ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: well - I just blogged that one then. :)
countdown to reblogging in 5... 4... mike-burns: That's the only one I've seen today.
And I've seen it a couple times.
http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/090/057/original/ian..jpg?1293426049
Here's a larger one.
http://www.tineye.com/search/0d7a86f2fd869665b3fb78f1b4dbcc4b7d8f2301/ - via this. RandalSchwartz: oh right. I have tineye too -: pilgrimd figured the most interesting man in the world would know better than to put untested code into production. mike-burns: Oh that's not the right one. Bummer. jpalmer: pilgrimd: that is *how* he keeps it interesting. RandalSchwartz: mike-burns - not the same image
just "similar"
I was looking for a larger one with the same text mike-burns: Yeah I noticed that after.
Whoops! RandalSchwartz: nevermind - caught it before swapping :) ***: amdprophet has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) RandalSchwartz: level 3 buying gblx? up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: whut?!
i was thinking of buying some gblx too RandalSchwartz: reported by techcrunch two days ago up_the_irons: i c awyeah: Also reported on nanog@ RandalSchwartz: I'm picking too many fights tonight
"reply-to considered harmful"
"GPL is bad"
"it's not GNU/Linux, it's Linux dammit"
I need to limit my fights to one per night. :)
or maybe I should tweet "emacs rules, vim sucks", and just get it over with reardencode: RandalSchwartz: I don't know you, but I encourage you to never limit your fights RandalSchwartz: "whitespace syntax sucks as much in python as it did in fortran"
that sorta thing :) reardencode: ahaha, I'm a python programer... by day and usually by night too RandalSchwartz: python is too irregular for me reardencode: irregular? RandalSchwartz: some things are object calls, others are function calls.
no rhyme or reason.
and the lack of closures, and unusual scope rules... well...
I also know from personal experience that Guido doesn't understand objects.
so it's hard to take the OO serious
I'm really hoping Perl6 will come out soon, so we can get rid of Ruby too. :) reardencode: interesting claim re guido and objects RandalSchwartz: Otherwise, I may have to learn Ruby to keep being relevant
reardencode - the full story takes about 40 lines of typing reardencode: haha, fair enough RandalSchwartz: the short version is "he didn't understand backstop methods, preferring 'can this object understand that', even though they all had a common superclass"
as well as "methods that switch based on class type, rather than putting the right code in the right class"
his presentation was rife with first-year OO errors reardencode: interesting RandalSchwartz: that's the very short version
both show no maturity with objects at all
I'd trust Larry Wall's understanding of objects far better than that
even though objects didn't get in until perl5 reardencode: regardless, my enjoyment of python is not based on any CS strictures, but simply that I find it readable and writable RandalSchwartz: I find perl quite readable
and writable reardencode: haha, I find _my_ perl quite readable RandalSchwartz: well - there are crap programmers out there in any language
trouble is, perl attracted a lot of them. :) reardencode: yeah, I just find other people's python more readable than othe rpeople's perl
kinda like the PHP of the 90s in that way? RandalSchwartz: that's because you have to be smarter to write python. :)
the PHP of the 2000s. :)
PHP of the 90s wasn't the issue
it's the Perl of the 90s that scares me reardencode: that's what I meant
php is the modern stupid people language RandalSchwartz: indeed.
"if you said 'model view controller' to 99% of PHP programmers, they'd look back at you like you were an alien."
but I just want to script this page!??!! :) reardencode: I agree with your complaints about python in general, but I'd actually encourage you to play with it a bit more before writing it off
(I was a perl coder before I was a python coder)
(and I hate ruby) RandalSchwartz: does python have anything like the CPAN yet?
... http://search.cpan.org/recent
75 uploads yesterday
80 or so the day before reardencode: supposedly easy_install with pypi is pretty close these days RandalSchwartz: et. cet.
yeah - but how many contribs does it get reardencode: http://pypi.python.org/pypi RandalSchwartz: there are more CPAN uploads today than during the dot-com 1.0
looks fewer
but I can't see more days. :( reardencode: more isn't always better :)
IMO the number of modules in CPAN is part of the problem RandalSchwartz: hasn't been for me in practice. reardencode: "I need a module to do X" "OMG WHICH ONE" RandalSchwartz: indeed. get on an IRC channel, sorted out in 15-20 minutes
or just download and review them yourself
not a problem reardencode: more effort than just grabbing the one module doing what I want RandalSchwartz: "oh my god... so many DIFFERENT cars to choose from to buy!" reardencode: don't get me wrong, perl and python to me solve different problems RandalSchwartz: so you'd be ok if the module wasn't all that good? :) reardencode: if it's not that good, someone will probably make a new one and it'll get replaced jpalmer: RandalSchwartz: sure, lots of cars. but you don't have to worry about modelA being no longer supported by the manufacturer, or modelB deprecated by modelC.. RandalSchwartz: sure you do reardencode: haha RandalSchwartz: if you're shopping the used market
and even modern markets
we're losing car companies left and right :) jpalmer: RandalSchwartz: but 3rd party vendors sell replacement parts that are just as good as the OEM. I don't have to build my own parts, or JBweld them together (to keep the car analogy going) RandalSchwartz: and third party people can consult on CPAN modules
what's the difference?
and my next fight of the night - @tinychefgame - your announcement of being down at "1 AM PST" means you won't be down until fall sometime. We're on PDT, not PST!
how many more fights should I pick? :) jpalmer: vi, or emacs? :P reardencode: vi :) awyeah: vi
because... emacs...
I just can't justify my text editor using up 600mb of RAM. jpalmer: guys, it was a joke.. heh read the context about randal picking fights ;) reardencode: 'course RandalSchwartz: yeah - that'd suck if just a mere text editor took up 600MB reardencode: just hoping Randal would take the bait :) jpalmer: of course, IMO it's pretty impressive that emacs only uses 600MB.. being it's own OS and userland... reardencode: can you even start emacs on a small VPS? :-D RandalSchwartz: my emacs is only 68MB
so there :)( jpalmer: CTCP VERSION REPLY from RandalSchwartz: emacs irc v. 0.98 reardencode: honestly I don't engage in this particular holy war because I've not used emacs -- my combination of tmux and vim makes me happy and that's really all I care about RandalSchwartz: indeed
I even irc in emacs reardencode: and the combined tmux + irssi + vim + tail processes that I use probably use just as much ram jpalmer: reardencode: I generally don't get into any of the $editor or $OS or $MTA debates. RandalSchwartz: I read email and news here too
and run subshells reardencode: RandalSchwartz: right, forgot my mutt jpalmer: even the $lang wars are pretty.. pointless IMO reardencode: jpalmer: I like to converse about them because it's often a learning experience "you really like that, I don't, I wonder if I"m missing something about it" jpalmer: I guess that is a valid point.
but regardless, I'm going back to configuring opsview.
gotta figure out why my parents relationships seem to be ignored. reardencode: that sounds like a job for a therapist, not a sysadmin. ***: robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: and yet another round of people confusing aggregation with derivation or linking on the git mailing lists
damn RMS-fanboys awyeah: Hrm. I'm trying to think of a good short vanity domain name.
cl.it is taken ;)
rather, unassignable.
for whatever reason.
:)
all the good short ones are taken. damnit.
nuts. -: pilgrimd has yermo.ms pilgrimd: last.night@yermo.ms <--- valid email address ***: jkhii has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) awyeah: heh
MAybe I'm just not creative enough. pilgrimd: The guy who came up with dotat.at is my hero.
his email address is dot@dotat.at awyeah: heh
I bet it's fun for him when he has to tell someone his e-mail address. RandalSchwartz: my favorite is *@qz.to
yes. literal "*"
he's *never* gotten spam there
and I've never gotten spam at fred&barney@stonehenge.com
although I've gotten plenty at barney@stonehenge.com ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks pilgrimd: I use _, + and & in a lot of email addresses.
+ isn't used as a separator
my logs have lots of evidence of spammers being cheeky and failing. awyeah: turns out the dotat.at guy is a freebsd committer :)
oh well.
time for bed. nite folks. ***: jkhii has joined #arpnetworks
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