[00:16] *** bassman has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [01:11] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [01:40] G: milki : it's all about IPMI and virtual serial port. IPMI presents a "real" serial port to the OS and on the other end it is accessible over the network. It is the best of both worlds. A real serial port accessible over IP, without any additional cables (b/c the IPMI port is already plugged into the network) [01:40] cd $food [02:05] up_the_irons: yeah, won't deny that IPMI is the right direction now, I was really just concerntrating on something that presents itself to the OS as a serial port though [02:14] G: yeah, but i'm saying IPMI *also* presents itself to the OS as a real serial port using the SOL (Serial-over-LAN) feature [02:14] G: so you get KVM over IP and serial over IP in one device [02:17] up_the_irons: ahhh, never had a use for KVM over IP/etc [02:17] well, when Serial over Cyclades or similar was avail to me [02:20] i c [02:20] IPMI is nice [02:22] which reminds me, I should get a serial card for my desktop [02:40] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [03:00] *** phreak has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) [03:42] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:34] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [05:35] *** ivan-kan` has joined #arpnetworks [05:49] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:49] *** ivan-kan` has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:51] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [06:15] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:33] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [07:40] *** Zuul has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [07:56] *** Zuul has joined #arpnetworks [08:10] IPMI rocks. [08:12] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: BAMPF!) 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[15:26] is there a larger version of that? [15:27] "code thirsty, my friends" [15:28] not sure [15:28] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [15:28] well - I just blogged that one then. :) [15:30] countdown to reblogging in 5... 4... [15:34] That's the only one I've seen today. [15:34] And I've seen it a couple times. [15:35] http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/090/057/original/ian..jpg?1293426049 [15:35] Here's a larger one. [15:35] http://www.tineye.com/search/0d7a86f2fd869665b3fb78f1b4dbcc4b7d8f2301/ - via this. [15:35] oh right. I have tineye too [15:35] * pilgrimd figured the most interesting man in the world would know better than to put untested code into production. [15:35] Oh that's not the right one. Bummer. [15:36] pilgrimd: that is *how* he keeps it interesting. [15:38] mike-burns - not the same image [15:38] just "similar" [15:39] I was looking for a larger one with the same text [15:39] Yeah I noticed that after. [15:39] Whoops! [15:39] nevermind - caught it before swapping :) [15:48] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:12] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [16:13] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [16:33] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [17:03] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:17] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [18:47] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:50] level 3 buying gblx? [18:50] RandalSchwartz: whut?! [18:50] i was thinking of buying some gblx too [18:55] reported by techcrunch two days ago [18:55] i c [19:00] Also reported on nanog@ [19:02] I'm picking too many fights tonight [19:03] "reply-to considered harmful" [19:03] "GPL is bad" [19:03] "it's not GNU/Linux, it's Linux dammit" [19:03] I need to limit my fights to one per night. :) [19:04] or maybe I should tweet "emacs rules, vim sucks", and just get it over with [19:04] RandalSchwartz: I don't know you, but I encourage you to never limit your fights [19:04] "whitespace syntax sucks as much in python as it did in fortran" [19:04] that sorta thing :) [19:05] ahaha, I'm a python programer... by day and usually by night too [19:05] python is too irregular for me [19:05] irregular? [19:05] some things are object calls, others are function calls. [19:05] no rhyme or reason. [19:06] and the lack of closures, and unusual scope rules... well... [19:06] I also know from personal experience that Guido doesn't understand objects. [19:06] so it's hard to take the OO serious [19:06] I'm really hoping Perl6 will come out soon, so we can get rid of Ruby too. :) [19:07] interesting claim re guido and objects [19:07] Otherwise, I may have to learn Ruby to keep being relevant [19:07] reardencode - the full story takes about 40 lines of typing [19:07] haha, fair enough [19:07] the short version is "he didn't understand backstop methods, preferring 'can this object understand that', even though they all had a common superclass" [19:08] as well as "methods that switch based on class type, rather than putting the right code in the right class" [19:08] his presentation was rife with first-year OO errors [19:08] interesting [19:08] that's the very short version [19:08] both show no maturity with objects at all [19:08] I'd trust Larry Wall's understanding of objects far better than that [19:09] even though objects didn't get in until perl5 [19:09] regardless, my enjoyment of python is not based on any CS strictures, but simply that I find it readable and writable [19:09] I find perl quite readable [19:09] and writable [19:09] haha, I find _my_ perl quite readable [19:09] well - there are crap programmers out there in any language [19:09] trouble is, perl attracted a lot of them. :) [19:09] yeah, I just find other people's python more readable than othe rpeople's perl [19:10] kinda like the PHP of the 90s in that way? [19:10] that's because you have to be smarter to write python. :) [19:10] the PHP of the 2000s. :) [19:10] PHP of the 90s wasn't the issue [19:10] it's the Perl of the 90s that scares me [19:10] that's what I meant [19:10] php is the modern stupid people language [19:10] indeed. [19:11] "if you said 'model view controller' to 99% of PHP programmers, they'd look back at you like you were an alien." [19:11] but I just want to script this page!??!! :) [19:11] I agree with your complaints about python in general, but I'd actually encourage you to play with it a bit more before writing it off [19:12] (I was a perl coder before I was a python coder) [19:12] (and I hate ruby) [19:12] does python have anything like the CPAN yet? [19:12] ... http://search.cpan.org/recent [19:12] 75 uploads yesterday [19:12] 80 or so the day before [19:12] supposedly easy_install with pypi is pretty close these days [19:12] et. cet. [19:13] yeah - but how many contribs does it get [19:13] http://pypi.python.org/pypi [19:13] there are more CPAN uploads today than during the dot-com 1.0 [19:13] looks fewer [19:13] but I can't see more days. :( [19:13] more isn't always better :) [19:14] IMO the number of modules in CPAN is part of the problem [19:14] hasn't been for me in practice. [19:14] "I need a module to do X" "OMG WHICH ONE" [19:15] indeed. get on an IRC channel, sorted out in 15-20 minutes [19:15] or just download and review them yourself [19:15] not a problem [19:15] more effort than just grabbing the one module doing what I want [19:15] "oh my god... so many DIFFERENT cars to choose from to buy!" [19:16] don't get me wrong, perl and python to me solve different problems [19:16] so you'd be ok if the module wasn't all that good? :) [19:16] if it's not that good, someone will probably make a new one and it'll get replaced [19:16] RandalSchwartz: sure, lots of cars. but you don't have to worry about modelA being no longer supported by the manufacturer, or modelB deprecated by modelC.. [19:16] sure you do [19:16] haha [19:16] if you're shopping the used market [19:17] and even modern markets [19:17] we're losing car companies left and right :) [19:17] RandalSchwartz: but 3rd party vendors sell replacement parts that are just as good as the OEM. I don't have to build my own parts, or JBweld them together (to keep the car analogy going) [19:19] and third party people can consult on CPAN modules [19:19] what's the difference? [19:20] and my next fight of the night - @tinychefgame - your announcement of being down at "1 AM PST" means you won't be down until fall sometime. We're on PDT, not PST! [19:20] how many more fights should I pick? :) [19:20] vi, or emacs? :P [19:20] vi :) [19:21] vi [19:21] because... emacs... [19:22] I just can't justify my text editor using up 600mb of RAM. [19:22] guys, it was a joke.. heh read the context about randal picking fights ;) [19:22] 'course [19:22] yeah - that'd suck if just a mere text editor took up 600MB [19:22] just hoping Randal would take the bait :) [19:23] of course, IMO it's pretty impressive that emacs only uses 600MB.. being it's own OS and userland... [19:24] can you even start emacs on a small VPS? :-D [19:24] my emacs is only 68MB [19:24] so there :)( [19:26] CTCP VERSION REPLY from RandalSchwartz: emacs irc v. 0.98 [19:26] honestly I don't engage in this particular holy war because I've not used emacs -- my combination of tmux and vim makes me happy and that's really all I care about [19:26] indeed [19:26] I even irc in emacs [19:26] and the combined tmux + irssi + vim + tail processes that I use probably use just as much ram [19:26] reardencode: I generally don't get into any of the $editor or $OS or $MTA debates. [19:26] I read email and news here too [19:26] and run subshells [19:26] RandalSchwartz: right, forgot my mutt [19:26] even the $lang wars are pretty.. pointless IMO [19:27] jpalmer: I like to converse about them because it's often a learning experience "you really like that, I don't, I wonder if I"m missing something about it" [19:27] I guess that is a valid point. [19:28] but regardless, I'm going back to configuring opsview. [19:28] gotta figure out why my parents relationships seem to be ignored. [19:29] that sounds like a job for a therapist, not a sysadmin. [19:31] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [19:32] and yet another round of people confusing aggregation with derivation or linking on the git mailing lists [19:32] damn RMS-fanboys [19:36] Hrm. I'm trying to think of a good short vanity domain name. [19:36] cl.it is taken ;) [19:36] rather, unassignable. [19:36] for whatever reason. [19:37] :) [19:41] all the good short ones are taken. damnit. [19:52] nuts. [19:58] * pilgrimd has yermo.ms [19:58] last.night@yermo.ms <--- valid email address [19:59] *** jkhii has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:59] heh [19:59] MAybe I'm just not creative enough. [20:01] The guy who came up with dotat.at is my hero. [20:01] his email address is dot@dotat.at [20:02] heh [20:02] I bet it's fun for him when he has to tell someone his e-mail address. [20:12] my favorite is *@qz.to [20:13] yes. literal "*" [20:13] he's *never* gotten spam there [20:13] and I've never gotten spam at fred&barney@stonehenge.com [20:13] although I've gotten plenty at barney@stonehenge.com [20:14] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [20:14] I use _, + and & in a lot of email addresses. [20:14] + isn't used as a separator [20:15] my logs have lots of evidence of spammers being cheeky and failing. [20:23] turns out the dotat.at guy is a freebsd committer :) [20:25] oh well. [20:25] time for bed. nite folks. 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