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| up_the_irons | G: milki : it's all about IPMI and virtual serial port. IPMI presents a "real" serial port to the OS and on the other end it is accessible over the network. It is the best of both worlds. A real serial port accessible over IP, without any additional cables (b/c the IPMI port is already plugged into the network)
cd $food | [01:40] |
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| G | up_the_irons: yeah, won't deny that IPMI is the right direction now, I was really just concerntrating on something that presents itself to the OS as a serial port though | [02:05] |
| up_the_irons | G: yeah, but i'm saying IPMI *also* presents itself to the OS as a real serial port using the SOL (Serial-over-LAN) feature
G: so you get KVM over IP and serial over IP in one device | [02:14] |
| G | up_the_irons: ahhh, never had a use for KVM over IP/etc
well, when Serial over Cyclades or similar was avail to me | [02:17] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [02:20] |
| bob^^ | IPMI is nice | [02:20] |
| G | which reminds me, I should get a serial card for my desktop | [02:22] |
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| raptelan|work | IPMI rocks. | [08:10] |
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| azmarco | toddf and i were working on designing a serial console server
i'd give you the link, but the site doesn't appear to be alive anymore =( | [09:48] |
| jlgaddis | jlgaddis likes the opengear's | [09:48] |
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| toddf | azmarco: yeah, I failed to reconfig the webserver on my vps when it got reloaded. on my todo list *sigh*. sorry, will get it up 'soon' | [10:01] |
| azmarco | no worries | [10:05] |
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| up_the_irons | omfg, this had me rollin'!! http://i.imgur.com/y7Hm9.jpg | [15:19] |
| mike-burns | Haha! | [15:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | is there a larger version of that?
"code thirsty, my friends" | [15:26] |
| up_the_irons | not sure | [15:28] |
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| RandalSchwartz | well - I just blogged that one then. :)
countdown to reblogging in 5... 4... | [15:28] |
| mike-burns | That's the only one I've seen today.
And I've seen it a couple times. http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/090/057/original/ian..jpg?1293426049 Here's a larger one. http://www.tineye.com/search/0d7a86f2fd869665b3fb78f1b4dbcc4b7d8f2301/ - via this. | [15:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh right. I have tineye too | [15:35] |
| pilgrimd | pilgrimd figured the most interesting man in the world would know better than to put untested code into production. | [15:35] |
| mike-burns | Oh that's not the right one. Bummer. | [15:35] |
| jpalmer | pilgrimd: that is *how* he keeps it interesting. | [15:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | mike-burns - not the same image
just "similar" I was looking for a larger one with the same text | [15:38] |
| mike-burns | Yeah I noticed that after.
Whoops! | [15:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | nevermind - caught it before swapping :) | [15:39] |
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| RandalSchwartz | level 3 buying gblx? | [18:50] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: whut?!
i was thinking of buying some gblx too | [18:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | reported by techcrunch two days ago | [18:55] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [18:55] |
| awyeah | Also reported on nanog@ | [19:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm picking too many fights tonight
"reply-to considered harmful" "GPL is bad" "it's not GNU/Linux, it's Linux dammit" I need to limit my fights to one per night. :) or maybe I should tweet "emacs rules, vim sucks", and just get it over with | [19:02] |
| reardencode | RandalSchwartz: I don't know you, but I encourage you to never limit your fights | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | "whitespace syntax sucks as much in python as it did in fortran"
that sorta thing :) | [19:04] |
| reardencode | ahaha, I'm a python programer... by day and usually by night too | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | python is too irregular for me | [19:05] |
| reardencode | irregular? | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | some things are object calls, others are function calls.
no rhyme or reason. and the lack of closures, and unusual scope rules... well... I also know from personal experience that Guido doesn't understand objects. so it's hard to take the OO serious I'm really hoping Perl6 will come out soon, so we can get rid of Ruby too. :) | [19:05] |
| reardencode | interesting claim re guido and objects | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | Otherwise, I may have to learn Ruby to keep being relevant
reardencode - the full story takes about 40 lines of typing | [19:07] |
| reardencode | haha, fair enough | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | the short version is "he didn't understand backstop methods, preferring 'can this object understand that', even though they all had a common superclass"
as well as "methods that switch based on class type, rather than putting the right code in the right class" his presentation was rife with first-year OO errors | [19:07] |
| reardencode | interesting | [19:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's the very short version
both show no maturity with objects at all I'd trust Larry Wall's understanding of objects far better than that even though objects didn't get in until perl5 | [19:08] |
| reardencode | regardless, my enjoyment of python is not based on any CS strictures, but simply that I find it readable and writable | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | I find perl quite readable
and writable | [19:09] |
| reardencode | haha, I find _my_ perl quite readable | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - there are crap programmers out there in any language
trouble is, perl attracted a lot of them. :) | [19:09] |
| reardencode | yeah, I just find other people's python more readable than othe rpeople's perl
kinda like the PHP of the 90s in that way? | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's because you have to be smarter to write python. :)
the PHP of the 2000s. :) PHP of the 90s wasn't the issue it's the Perl of the 90s that scares me | [19:10] |
| reardencode | that's what I meant
php is the modern stupid people language | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | indeed.
"if you said 'model view controller' to 99% of PHP programmers, they'd look back at you like you were an alien." but I just want to script this page!??!! :) | [19:10] |
| reardencode | I agree with your complaints about python in general, but I'd actually encourage you to play with it a bit more before writing it off
(I was a perl coder before I was a python coder) (and I hate ruby) | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | does python have anything like the CPAN yet?
... http://search.cpan.org/recent 75 uploads yesterday 80 or so the day before | [19:12] |
| reardencode | supposedly easy_install with pypi is pretty close these days | [19:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | et. cet.
yeah - but how many contribs does it get | [19:12] |
| reardencode | http://pypi.python.org/pypi | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | there are more CPAN uploads today than during the dot-com 1.0
looks fewer but I can't see more days. :( | [19:13] |
| reardencode | more isn't always better :)
IMO the number of modules in CPAN is part of the problem | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | hasn't been for me in practice. | [19:14] |
| reardencode | "I need a module to do X" "OMG WHICH ONE" | [19:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | indeed. get on an IRC channel, sorted out in 15-20 minutes
or just download and review them yourself not a problem | [19:15] |
| reardencode | more effort than just grabbing the one module doing what I want | [19:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | "oh my god... so many DIFFERENT cars to choose from to buy!" | [19:15] |
| reardencode | don't get me wrong, perl and python to me solve different problems | [19:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | so you'd be ok if the module wasn't all that good? :) | [19:16] |
| reardencode | if it's not that good, someone will probably make a new one and it'll get replaced | [19:16] |
| jpalmer | RandalSchwartz: sure, lots of cars. but you don't have to worry about modelA being no longer supported by the manufacturer, or modelB deprecated by modelC.. | [19:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | sure you do | [19:16] |
| reardencode | haha | [19:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | if you're shopping the used market
and even modern markets we're losing car companies left and right :) | [19:16] |
| jpalmer | RandalSchwartz: but 3rd party vendors sell replacement parts that are just as good as the OEM. I don't have to build my own parts, or JBweld them together (to keep the car analogy going) | [19:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | and third party people can consult on CPAN modules
what's the difference? and my next fight of the night - @tinychefgame - your announcement of being down at "1 AM PST" means you won't be down until fall sometime. We're on PDT, not PST! how many more fights should I pick? :) | [19:19] |
| jpalmer | vi, or emacs? :P | [19:20] |
| reardencode | vi :) | [19:20] |
| awyeah | vi
because... emacs... I just can't justify my text editor using up 600mb of RAM. | [19:21] |
| jpalmer | guys, it was a joke.. heh read the context about randal picking fights ;) | [19:22] |
| reardencode | 'course | [19:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - that'd suck if just a mere text editor took up 600MB | [19:22] |
| reardencode | just hoping Randal would take the bait :) | [19:22] |
| jpalmer | of course, IMO it's pretty impressive that emacs only uses 600MB.. being it's own OS and userland... | [19:23] |
| reardencode | can you even start emacs on a small VPS? :-D | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | my emacs is only 68MB
so there :)( | [19:24] |
| jpalmer | CTCP VERSION REPLY from RandalSchwartz: emacs irc v. 0.98 | [19:26] |
| reardencode | honestly I don't engage in this particular holy war because I've not used emacs -- my combination of tmux and vim makes me happy and that's really all I care about | [19:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | indeed
I even irc in emacs | [19:26] |
| reardencode | and the combined tmux + irssi + vim + tail processes that I use probably use just as much ram | [19:26] |
| jpalmer | reardencode: I generally don't get into any of the $editor or $OS or $MTA debates. | [19:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | I read email and news here too
and run subshells | [19:26] |
| reardencode | RandalSchwartz: right, forgot my mutt | [19:26] |
| jpalmer | even the $lang wars are pretty.. pointless IMO | [19:26] |
| reardencode | jpalmer: I like to converse about them because it's often a learning experience "you really like that, I don't, I wonder if I"m missing something about it" | [19:27] |
| jpalmer | I guess that is a valid point.
but regardless, I'm going back to configuring opsview. gotta figure out why my parents relationships seem to be ignored. | [19:27] |
| reardencode | that sounds like a job for a therapist, not a sysadmin. | [19:29] |
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| RandalSchwartz | and yet another round of people confusing aggregation with derivation or linking on the git mailing lists
damn RMS-fanboys | [19:32] |
| awyeah | Hrm. I'm trying to think of a good short vanity domain name.
cl.it is taken ;) rather, unassignable. for whatever reason. :) all the good short ones are taken. damnit. | [19:36] |
| nuts. | [19:52] | |
| pilgrimd | pilgrimd has yermo.ms
last.night@yermo.ms <--- valid email address | [19:58] |
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| awyeah | heh
MAybe I'm just not creative enough. | [19:59] |
| pilgrimd | The guy who came up with dotat.at is my hero.
his email address is dot@dotat.at | [20:01] |
| awyeah | heh
I bet it's fun for him when he has to tell someone his e-mail address. | [20:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | my favorite is *@qz.to
yes. literal "*" he's *never* gotten spam there and I've never gotten spam at fred&barney@stonehenge.com although I've gotten plenty at barney@stonehenge.com | [20:12] |
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| pilgrimd | I use _, + and & in a lot of email addresses.
+ isn't used as a separator my logs have lots of evidence of spammers being cheeky and failing. | [20:14] |
| awyeah | turns out the dotat.at guy is a freebsd committer :)
oh well. time for bed. nite folks. | [20:23] |
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