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[09:46] <reardencode> bagh!  I apparently had a 2 year contract with my previous host and switched 2.5 months too early to arp, waste of stupid $
[09:46] <reardencode> stupid self, stupid contract
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[13:06] <up_the_irons> reardencode: hosts still have contracts? lol
[13:10] <reardencode> up_the_irons: was a leased hard box from 1and1, apparently so.
[13:10] <up_the_irons> ah, hard box
[13:11] <reardencode> yeah, I had some odd obsession with having my own hardware until recently, waste of my time, sanity and $ it turns out.
[13:13] <up_the_irons> haha yeah
[13:14] <reardencode> now the hardware is your problem!
[13:16] <up_the_irons> srsly
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[14:51] <whitefang> anyone network switch gurus here?
[14:52] <whitefang> trying to decide between netgear GS105NA vs GS605
[14:56] <pilgrimd> I have a bunch of 608's.  It's a dumb switch, so it's pretty hard to get wrong.
[14:56] <pilgrimd> IMO the only real difference is a fashionable plastic case vs. the blue metal one.
[15:09] <whitefang> i don't like the plastic case
[15:09] <whitefang> i like the blue metal one
[15:09] <whitefang> it has those nice indicator lights in the front too
[15:10] <bob^^> the metal case is much more robust if you're intending to use them anywhere work-related
[15:11] <bob^^> (plus the metal cases are wall-mountable)
[16:22] <whitefang> well its not work related
[16:22] <whitefang> but its going to be in behind an entertainment center
[16:22] <whitefang> that has a bunch of crap and I roughly pull cords thorugh it and stuff
[16:22] <whitefang> so metal would be nice
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[18:35] <azmarco> anyone like a specific kvm? i'm in the market for one
[18:35] <azmarco> looking for recommendations
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[18:57] <RandalSchwartz> "specific" kvm?
[18:59] <G> RandalSchwartz: I've got a feeling as in Keyboard Video Mouse, not Kernel VM ;)
[18:59] <RandalSchwartz> oh
[19:04] <azmarco> yes, the keyboard/video/mouse variety  =)
[19:05] <azmarco> we have avocent gear all over work, and they are, well, tempermental
[19:05] <RandalSchwartz> not a hardware guy.  dunno anything about those
[19:05] <RandalSchwartz> also not a mouse user. :)
[19:05] <azmarco> i try not to be too
[19:06] <RandalSchwartz> trackpads rock
[19:06] <RandalSchwartz> especially multitouch
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[21:06] <milki> avocent is awesome!
[21:06] * milki wants an ip kvm
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[21:54] <coobra> milki:  ip kvm ?
[22:49] <milki> coobra: kvm over ip?
[22:50] <milki> those ip appliances offered by avocent
[22:50] <milki> eliminates need for serial cables everywhere!
[23:00] <coobra> :D
[23:01] <G> people still use serial cables? ;)
[23:02] <G> milki: to be honest though, I prefer Serial consoles
[23:03] <G> milki: especially since it seems to be the most reliable place to get "Help I've just crapped myself" messages from the kernel in weird crashes
[23:04] <G> (that's just my opinion anyway)
[23:22] <milki> can probably do serial kvm over ip too
[23:23] <milki> the ip kmv products ive seen used were vga+usb for display/keyboard
[23:23] <G> yeah, the cyclades units are really good, do a serial to cat5e conversion and they are great
[23:23] <milki> but they are soo expensive -.-
[23:25] <milki> i managed to swipe an iogear ps2/vga kvm switch for 2 computers -.-
[23:26] <milki> but cat5e cables are so much nicer -.-
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