[00:39] *** tbentropy has joined #arpnetworks [00:46] *** tbentropy has quit IRC (Quit: tbentropy) [01:29] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [02:22] *** islandfox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [02:36] *** nerdd_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:45] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [03:04] *** vapor has joined #arpnetworks [03:05] *** rgouveia_ is now known as rgouveia [03:36] *** nuke` has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) [03:36] *** nukefree has joined #arpnetworks [03:39] *** phreak has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) [03:58] *** _Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [04:12] *** vipe_ has joined #arpnetworks [04:12] is there any reason why the kvr09.arpnetworks.com console server is not responding? [04:12] *** vipe_ is now known as vipe [04:13] worked fine last time [04:13] as instructed on port 6070 [04:17] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:47] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:59] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [05:34] nevermind, I got in [05:51] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [05:54] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [06:19] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:48] *** dferris has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [06:49] *** dferris has joined #arpnetworks [07:01] *** azmarco has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [07:13] *** azmarco has joined #arpnetworks [07:16] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:15] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [09:39] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:40] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [09:49] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [10:01] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [10:08] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:10] *** CRowen has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:12] *** CRowen has joined #arpnetworks [10:29] G: Do they do the internet+tv+phone bundling crap over there as well, or do you buy internets from a real ISP? [10:56] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:57] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [11:06] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:07] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [11:09] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [11:23] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:23] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [11:34] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:37] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [11:54] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:59] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:00] *** |dream has joined #arpnetworks [12:09] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [12:13] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:14] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [12:32] *** |dream has quit IRC (Quit: quit) [12:32] *** |dream has joined #arpnetworks [12:32] *** |dream is now known as phrek [12:32] *** phrek is now known as phreak [12:33] *** phreak has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:33] *** phreak has joined #arpnetworks [12:44] *** danyork has joined #arpnetworks [12:45] Hi there ... I'm a potential customer looking to set up a Linux VPS with IPv6 support. If I fill out the online order form, how long does it typically take for a VPS to be available? [12:46] About 24 hours. [12:48] danyork: i'll actually have all new orders done today by 5pm PDT [12:48] so just place your order before then [12:48] brb [12:55] up_the_irons: Cool... thanks [12:57] Judging from your site, I can get a stock CentOS load into the VPS? [12:59] and 1 more quick question... how much swap space for a machine with 1GB of memory? [13:03] *** buraglio has left [13:10] danyork: you'd have to do CentOS yourself, but otherwise not a problem: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os [13:10] danyork: default is 2GB for a machine with 1GB of memory; you can of course change this if you do your own install [13:30] up_the_irons: Thanks... dang... you're right that I *can* do the install myself, but whether I *want* to do the install is a different matter ;-) [13:30] lolz [13:30] I wondered, with your Twitter id of @bsdvps, whether you'd support CentOS :-) [13:31] but if you read the site, anything that can be installed, can...be..installed [13:31] There isn't much support, per se. [13:31] support = pop in the cd! [13:33] ;-) [13:37] Having said that... quite frankly BECAUSE you guys are here on IRC, I'm going to sign up with you and suck it up and do the install... [13:37] pilgrimd: there is one ISP that follows the US model in a couple of cities that have cable in place [13:37] pilgrimd: most just provide phone + ADSL over copper [13:38] danyork: w2g! [13:38] I need a CentOS box up by tomorrow with 1GB RAM and native IPv6... and the only other VPS provider I can find who would give me that doesn't have any way to contact them beyond email. #FAIL [13:38] agreed [13:39] maybe i should sign up too [13:39] ? [13:39] * milki isnt a customer yet :P [13:39] :-) Then why are you here? [13:40] * danyork is just curious [13:40] cuz i want to be [13:40] a customer [13:40] at some point >.> [13:43] :-) [13:43] up_the_irons: order submitted... if you do have a chance to get it in today, that would be awesome. I obviously don't care what o/s you put on it because I'm going to nuke it [13:43] milki: if you've a vps elsewhere I've yet to see more value for the money as is here. [13:44] i dont have a vps yet [13:44] i consider arpnetworks #1 choice for bsd vps [13:45] there was only one other that i thought would be decent for vps, but arpnetworks has a better deal [13:45] i just havent had any pressing needs for a vps >.> [13:45] i just want something before summer hits [13:47] milki: what hits in summer? [13:47] i have to move out of my apartment so i have nowhere to put my servers [13:51] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [13:58] Yuck....... it's been eons since I've had to install CentOS myself. Maybe I ordered too soon :-) [13:58] danyork: what version of CentOS, and also, why yuck? ;) [13:58] 8 CD ISOs, *no* ISOs for the DVD - only a torrent, and then a netinstall ISO [13:58] the version thats out of date and full of security holes! [13:58] nothing wrong with Anaconda [13:58] danyork: change http to ftp ;) [13:59] G: Just looking for an ISO image to give arpnetworks per this page: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os [13:59] milki: version numbers doesn't mean it's out of date [13:59] danyork: what mirror are you using? got a link? [13:59] * Lefty not a huge fan of centos [13:59] I don't have to support it anymore, though, so I actually stopped caring :) [14:00] G: Sure... I've looked through several of these: http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/5/isos/x86_64/ [14:00] danyork: also, you don't even need the full CD/DVD ;) [14:01] danyork: just get: http://mirror.hmc.edu/centos/5.5/os/x86_64/images/boot.iso and point it to a local LA mirror [14:01] OR.... [14:01] Lefty: I use CentOS extensively... but these days it's either pre-installed for me in a datacenter I have access to... or preinstalled into one of the VPSs that I have been using... but none of those options gives me native IPv6, and I need that right now ;-) [14:02] just get disc1.iso, have that attached, install via HTTP, but leave the CD attached so you access the full rescue environment easy [14:02] hmmm [14:02] the DVD will include rubbish like GNOME etc that you don't need on a VPS ;) [14:03] and yeah, Lefty as an ex-Red Hatter, nothing wrong with RHEL/CentOS [14:03] http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/435744/9c8f40fcafbc0b8e/ [14:03] says otherwise [14:04] G: could I just do the netinstall.iso and do a basic HTTP install? [14:05] milki: thats obviously a process issue that CentOS guys are having [14:05] (I hadn't realised that CentOS was having issues) [14:05] yup [14:06] danyork: ummm, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure, I don't think Red Hat ever put out netinstall.iso images, so I don't know what they should contain. hold on a sec [14:06] me, neither... too bad to hear about... hope they get it together [14:06] danyork: looks like the netinstall iso could be the boot.iso image I pointed you to [14:06] seems to be the same size [14:08] Looks pretty painless - http://www.chrisgountanis.com/technical/45-centos-netinstall.html [14:08] hmmmm interesting point #2, CentOS is only avaible for DVD via torrent [14:08] danyork: yeah, thats definately just a standard boot.iso [14:14] thx [14:16] danyork: but yeah, certainly no point in getting the DVD just for a single install w/ a nice fat pipe around ;) [14:24] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Quit: rebooting emacs (and tmux)) [14:25] i installed both fedora and ubuntu on a box here at home [14:26] i've obviously been spoiled by openbsd, heh [14:26] so watching you guys go back and forth about distros is amusing [14:34] how is openbsd obvious? 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[16:06] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [16:14] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [16:24] *** Escable has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [17:00] *** Escable has joined #arpnetworks [17:10] *** tbentropy has quit IRC (Quit: tbentropy) [17:50] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:52] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [17:53] *** fink has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:21] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [18:22] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [18:41] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:43] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:52] who here is good with DNS? I'm having a seemingly simple issue, and just need a second pair of eyes to tell me what i'm doing wrong. [18:56] jpalmer: what's up? [18:57] pilgrimd: trying to delegate a subdomain from one set of NS's to another. when I use dig +trace, it works. (and appears to have the delegation correct) but when I try to dig without +trace, it doesn't. 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[19:12] mjp_: no [19:13] I configured this months ago, and it's been working fine. but today, I saw lookups failing. [19:13] but, it may be something specific to this network. the looksups are fine elsewhere. [19:19] yeah, must be specific to this local network. i I dig using opendns, 4.2.2.2 or several open resolvers, it appears to be ok. [19:24] *** bharatak has joined #arpnetworks [20:19] *** bharatak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:30] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [20:49] *** phreak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:03] *** phreak has joined #arpnetworks [21:26] *** zeshoem has joined #arpnetworks [21:26] *** hsbt_away has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit) [21:27] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [21:27] Why does ArpNetworks charge for multiple Ips when getting more than one VPS? Only need 1 ip per VPS [21:36] *** bGeorge has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [21:39] *** bGeorge has joined #arpnetworks [21:56] you don't pay extra if you're getting just one IP per VPS [21:56] that one comes for free. :) [22:01] zeshoem [22:13] Thats Not what Garry said , msg log at : http://pastebin.com/4TcePW0n [22:17] yeah, more than one vps gets their subnet upgraded from a /30 to a /29 for an additional $5/mo [22:20] Rather than just two VPSes with one IP address each? [22:21] well, two out of the now /29 [22:23] So the $5/mo is simply because two /30's = one /29? Even if the customer has neither need nor desire for the extra IPs? [22:24] Would they let me get away with signing up with 2 different emails/ credit cards to get a VPS with an IP without paying extra? [22:27] pilgrimd: that's my understanding. I think it's partially to do with both getting your own VLAN and I imagine pricing on IPv4 addresses are going to go up, if not already [22:27] it's definitely less wasteful [22:28] why have two different IPs for "The router" for the two machines? [22:28] and two different broadcast addrs [22:28] RandalSchwartz: But when the customer just wants one IP on each VPS, it's charging for unwanted service. *shrug* [22:29] yeah! what if you only wanted 18GB instead of 20GB? Arp should permit that too! [22:29] (by that logic) [22:29] zeshoem: I *think* they reserve the /29 for you in case you need it (or don't quite need it in this case) [22:29] No, because there isn't a cheaper service level at 18 GB of disk. [22:29] and there's not a cheaper service when you're buying two VPSs. [22:29] You get one IP address for free with a VPS, the pricing means the second VPS costs an extra $5 just for being the second VPS. [22:29] (apparently) [22:30] and you're also getting inter-VPS for free [22:30] won't count against your b/w [22:30] And 5$ is pretty steep when the VPS was only $10 to begin with [22:30] that's a service [22:30] intervps should be free as is with private IPs [22:30] I'm beginning to see why Garry reacts as he does. :) [22:31] some customers aren't worth the $10/month :) [22:32] zeshoem - if paying $25 a month for what you're getting is worth griping about, you might not be happy at ARP. [22:32] I would be fine with that $25. Its my client who insist on getting a service for $10/month each [22:33] have your client deal directly with ARP then [22:33] ARP knows that I admin boxes for both me and my client [22:33] and keeps them separately for billing [22:33] even though they talk only to me [22:34] they're in separate address ranges and virtual consoles [22:34] maybe that's what you need to set up [22:34] but if they're both for your same client, it's $25 [22:35] * RandalSchwartz wanders off [22:36] Thanks for your input RandalSchwartz [22:36] I will speak with my client [22:40] RandalSchwartz: considering that i've never explicitly seen it written anywhere, I'm sure in some places it could be considered false advertising (not saying that it is where arp is based, but in NZ I'd imagine a case could be made) [22:41] it's not going to bug me, because if I ever need a second VPS, I'd want it in a different datacentre [23:20] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [23:39] *** mota has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [23:39] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:39] *** mota has joined #arpnetworks [23:39] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [23:50] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:50] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks