[00:04] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:05] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [00:06] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:28] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:37] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [01:43] *** Zuul_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:44] *** Zuul has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:48] *** ivan-kanis has joined #arpnetworks [02:14] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [02:39] *** ivan-kan` has joined #arpnetworks [02:41] *** ivan-kanis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [04:34] w00t, Reverse DNS Management has been deployed. link is still hidden, will give to anyone who wants to beta test. [04:34] [04:34] need sleep now... [04:37] happy to beta test! [04:37] well done, have a good sleep :) [06:32] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [06:55] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [07:02] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [07:15] link me up_the_irons i will test it also [07:22] up_the_irons, also wish to test out RDNS [07:27] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [07:27] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [07:30] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Client Quit) [07:32] up_the_irons: I'll try it out as well [07:47] *** ivan-kan` has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:48] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:54] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [07:56] up_the_irons: same. so when people have questions, I can have some semblance of knowledge [07:58] hm.. can anyone recommend a online faxing service? [07:59] an* even [08:18] mattx86: i looked into it [08:18] efax has a bad rep [08:19] I would like to test the dns management too :> [08:19] fink: really? I was about to signup when I realized it wasn't linux-compatible (although I do have XP installed in VMware Workstation) [08:20] ended up telling the client to scan it or taking a photo with their iphone camera, because hey, it's 2010, and they did it and they're still using us, so… [08:20] I'm considering myfax tho [08:20] they're some other free services [08:20] hylafax, for example, runs locally [08:20] ah yes, hylafax :) [08:20] but it's all too complicated, and faxing is obsolete [08:21] yeah [08:22] I still don't get why some people thing faxing is somehow different than an e-mailed scan [08:23] I'm going to request my high school and college transcripts, so I'm figuring I'll probably need a fax service (use dryloop DSL at home) [08:25] don't get me wrong though, I agree with you guys [08:25] mattx86: they can probably email it nowadays [08:25] or just mail you a copy [08:26] true, but I don't want to wait even a few days for it to come in the mail ;) [08:27] I figure I'll signup for a free trial and use that if necessary, otherwise hopefully they can do e-mail [08:28] I hate to do that though. I might even do sfax, because they're extremely inexpensive -- $24/yr [08:30] mattx86: sorry, i don't know [08:30] ask your school to email it to you? [08:30] do you have a landline? [08:32] fink: I will. I do have a landline but it's dryloop DSL; no phone service [08:32] :( [08:32] friends or parents with fax at their work? [08:33] simple solution [08:33] nah, it's no big deal; I'll figure something out :) [08:34] mattx86: call your local staples or kinkos. they can accept faxes, for a small fee. [08:34] jpalmer: I think the local staples or kinkos is atleast an hours drive away :P [08:35] mattx86: around here, several gas stations can do it too. [08:35] ah, never heard of that [08:36] I mean, worst case scenario, I'd have to drive to the high school (20-30 minute drive), and the college (about 1.5 hour drive) [08:37] k7.net might be an option, seen a couple of people recommend it in the past but never used myself [08:37] mattx86: the college probably has a fax2pdf service [08:37] in which case, they can email it to you [08:37] heh, in the time I'm sitting here debating what to do, I could have been out and back ;D [08:37] i doubt they manually shuffle paper faxes nowadays [08:38] fink: you may be surprised :) [08:44] *** bharatak has joined #arpnetworks [08:57] drop.io used to have inbound and outbound faxes. [08:57] too bad they got bought out. :) [08:58] I forgot to mention a third school in there, so that may be quite a bit of driving :) [08:59] signed up for myfax, so we'll see how it goes [09:05] ... http://www.k7.net/ [09:05] they offer voicemail/faxmail to email for free [09:05] washington-state number, but who cares. [09:08] they actually make money on your incoming calls because they're a CLEC [09:09] all in the wonderful complex world of US telephony [09:09] I'm sure Google isn't crying over all of their incoming calls either. :) [09:12] RandalSchwartz: how does that work, exactly? [09:13] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [09:13] the local exchange gets a settlement when handling incoming calls, as part of the overall price of placing a call [09:13] when they opened the local exchange up to people other than Ma Bell, the same settlement is available [09:14] CLEC = competitive local exchange center(?) [09:14] so instead of ma bell paying ma bell to terminate the call to a hardline [09:14] us west pays k7 to terminate the call [09:14] except k7 can terminate it as a virtual call [09:15] this is because originally when you called from new york to los angeles, los angeles needed a bit of cash to pay for local lines [09:15] so the money goes into three slots... new york, the LD carrier, and los angeles [09:15] CLECs get that third slot [09:16] of course, when it was all ma bell, it was just an accounting matter. [09:16] but now, it's real cash [09:17] the rates for CLEC fees are similar to what you pay for VOIP-to-hardline [09:17] because that's essentially paying the CLEC [09:17] so a penny a minute or so [09:17] but that's enough to keep k7 in business. :) [09:31] *** CRowen has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:37] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:39] interesting [09:53] *** CRowen has joined #arpnetworks [09:57] had problems uploading to myfax on linux/firefox 3.6.15 (would give me their custom error page), but it worked on xp/firefox 3.6.15.. go figure [09:57] seems to have gone through and everything, but time will tell [10:11] may not work out; got a call from them a moment ago and they said it's giving a busy signal. they said they'll keep trying though [10:12] and here I thought the online fax service would be smooth heh [10:12] atleast they got it, but it doesn't quite help if I can't receive what I'm wanting [10:23] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:29] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:30] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [10:37] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [10:57] *** Zuul has joined #arpnetworks [10:58] *** Zuul_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:06] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:16] *** shizlr has joined #arpnetworks [11:17] how long does it take from ordering until you're provisioned? [11:19] usually 24-48 hurs [11:31] what's the "hur to hour" conversion rate again? :) [11:32] lol [11:32] hopefully its less dollars to pesos [11:32] less than [11:33] i just hope i get provisioned before spring break is over, otherwise i wont have time to screw around with it [11:44] *** CRowen has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:47] when is spring break over? [11:53] * RandalSchwartz hasn't had a spring break in 33 years [11:53] you old! [11:53] damn whippersnappers :P [11:57] :) [11:58] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.) [11:58] hum.. I called my myfax number and it picked up, but yet I still haven't received the fax from the school [11:59] would someone mind sending a test fax to me? :) [12:09] send yourself a test fax - http://faxzero.com/ [12:11] *** CRowen has joined #arpnetworks [12:13] spring break is over sunday :/ [12:14] but yeah it's odd having spring break, havent had one in almost 12 years [12:15] It sounds nice. [12:15] RandalSchwartz: hey, thanks for that [12:19] just call me the faxman. :) [12:20] ln -s RandalSchwartz TheFaxman [12:21] mv RandalSchwartz /dev/food [12:21] ;) [12:22] self eat: ((Restaurant nearestTo: self) favoriteFoodOf: self) [12:22] oops. that doesn't make sense [12:23] self eat: ((Restaurant nearestTo: self) prepare: self favoriteFood) [12:24] the restaurant doens't have a favorite food. :) [12:24] heh, go eat :) [12:24] yeah, I must be groggy now [12:24] still have to get gas for the car though [12:25] I still remember the big sign about 30 minutes east of San Francisco towards Sacramento... in giant letters "EAT NOW. GET GAS." [12:25] Lots of smalltalk in here today. [12:25] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:25] gasoline burgers are tasty [12:26] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [12:27] course, hopefully you'll wash your hands afterwards, but gas is a little difficult to wash off [12:27] mike-burns: hola [12:27] Howdy. [12:27] in oregon, there's no gas on my hands [12:27] thank gawd [12:27] does anyone have the hidden link yet, for the rDNS self-help portal? [12:27] that's good [12:27] I don't know how the rest of the country (except jersey) puts up with it [12:29] I never bothered to complain to the state or whoever about it. I thought it was like this everywhere [12:29] oregon and new jersey prohibit self-service [12:29] we pay the same rates for gas, but they pump for us [12:30] rarely have to get out of the car! [12:30] no kidding? [12:30] why would I kid about that? :) [12:30] I knew some places still did that, but I didn't realize it was 'prohibited' in some states [12:30] that sounds wild hehe [12:31] it's been prohibited here in Oregon since the 40s [12:31] enforced by the Fire Marshall [12:31] that's interesting [12:31] I didn't pump gas until I turned 20, and that was a trip to California [12:32] in fact, I had no idea how. :) [12:32] wow [12:32] so here I am, about 20 minutes north of San Francisco, and I get out, and wonder what to do [12:32] the girl behind the 3-inch-thick glass wasn't about to help me either. :( [12:33] even on trips to seattle, I could generally fill up in oregon, then not worry about it til I got back [12:33] although I'd be running on fumes as I crossed the washington border into oregon :) [12:33] thank gawd they have a gas station at the first exit. [12:34] ok, the thought of food is sounding better and better. [12:34] heh, that's something [12:34] must go find food and wifi [12:34] alrighty :) [12:39] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:48] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:07] woot, college got back to me and all is well :) [13:13] * RandalSchwartz never went to college [13:19] it's good stuff IMO [13:20] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [13:22] Kids these days and their college. [13:26] not if you're already a natural programmer (I was) [13:28] I work with mostly college dropouts and non-CS majors. I think this is a generational thing (and I'm about half your age, RandalSchwartz); people entering college now know basically no programming. [13:29] and therefore they should *not* learn programming in college [13:29] I agree. [13:30] I don't want anyone who wasn't tinkering in fifth grade with programming to BE a programmer now [13:30] there's really NO point [13:30] you don't "learn" programming. You *are* a programmer. [13:30] But that's only based on my experience; maybe they'll actually be good, or at least better than myself. [13:30] most of those kinds of "programmers" end up filling up thedailywtf.com [13:31] shizlr: i'll get you your vps today [13:45] *** a_j__c has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [13:47] mike-burns: I am going to be one of those people [13:47] "those" people? [13:48] entering university with no knowledge of programming [13:48] but I want to do marketing in the i.t. sector or interactive media, so shouldn't affect me [13:49] right. just don't try to be a programmer. :) [13:49] marketing people don't need any domain knowledge. [13:49] as proven time and time again [13:49] :) [13:49] *** a_j__c has joined #arpnetworks [13:49] *** a_j__c has quit IRC (Changing host) [13:49] *** a_j__c has joined #arpnetworks [14:12] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:49] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [15:07] I started out when I was around 9 or 10, opening up our 22MHz / 33MHz (turbo) computer [15:07] get online around '96, when I was 10. I was on IRC around that time [15:07] got* [15:08] before long, we had bought a copy of "C for Dummies", and learned HTML online and tried it out on GeoCities [15:09] and AngelFire [15:09] *** a_j__c has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:09] *** a_j__c has joined #arpnetworks [15:09] picked up PHP around 2000, or 2001 I believe. [15:10] I love to program :) [15:10] I love Linux and open source too [15:11] I was trying out RedHat 4.5 IIRC, and Slackware when I was 12 I guess [15:12] you could actually buy a boxed set of RedHat Linux at Walmart back then [15:13] good times [15:16] a few years ago, I took the plunge to use Linux as my primary desktop OS. I keep XP and Wine around, but I do without them for the most part [15:17] i still have a redhat 4ish something cd from years ago. [15:18] dang, I was learning html in 3rd grade (2003)..i'm a bit behind [15:19] came to the *nix scene a bit late [15:19] I did the whole "linux desktop" thing for a while. and the "BSD desktop" then I came around full circle. I use windows 7 on my desktop. [15:19] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [15:20] 15 year BSD admin, but I still feel "the best tool for the job" is the best motto. and for my needs, the best tool for the desktop (barring any absurd bias) is windows 7. [15:20] heh, I remember spending summer after summer playing with windows-based IRC server (WSIRCSRV), Web Servers (Xitami, etc).. I even tried to setup BIND on Win9x once, because a guy on IRC told me I could use it to spoof my hostname/IP :P [15:22] jpalmer: "the best tool for the job" is awesome when you can do it at work :-) [15:22] jpalmer: I do/did agree. I guess part of why I decided to use Linux full-time is because I wanted immerse myself in it, and get much more used to it in that way [15:23] rgouveia: indeed :) [15:23] immersion learning *is* the best learning. [15:24] jpalmer: I did the right thing then. [15:24] whats the current kernel revision? [15:25] I'd used linux on the desktop many times before, but always felt it wasn't ready. I thought surely it's ready by now, back in 2008. [15:25] admittedly, it's not without it's faults, but that could be said about windows too I suppose [15:27] a_j__c: I believe it's 2.6.38.x [15:27] I try a new version of some OS about twice a year, but my personal take: I'm less efficient in the FOSS OS's than I am in windows. I always catch myself tinkering on my local configs, rather than doing whatever my goal is. [15:28] a_j__c: yeah, 2.6.38 -- kernel.org [15:29] jpalmer: yeah, that sounds about right for me too, actually [15:29] jpalmer: well, it's not too bad. but yeah [15:29] ty [15:30] im not that far back on updates [15:30] mac os x is awesome [15:30] a_j__c: you compile it? [15:30] i can compile pretty much anything i can in freebsd [15:30] and the gui is very efficient for me [15:31] fink: i thought you would prefer apt-get ;-) [15:31] yes rgouveia [15:31] jpalmer: when I was visiting my brother in Japan last year, I found myself wanting to use a *nix console to rename some photos, so I install cygwin on my win7 netbook while I was there :P [15:31] installed* [15:31] rgouveia: i can't stand fink [15:32] so the nytimes is trying some dumb paywall again [15:33] i dont know how theyre going to verify 15-20 pageviews/month tho [15:33] probably some dumb cookie thing that you can just delete [15:33] fink: I actually wanted a mac book instead of my win7 netbook, but I couldn't get the financing I wanted [15:34] fink: I've had mac fever recently, and actually themed my linux desktop to be mac-ish ;) [15:34] mattx86: financing is a rip; if you can't afford a new one, get a used one [15:34] the hardware lasts for years [15:34] fink: yeah, I think I'd heard of someone's mac book lasting for like 6 years [15:35] I should have done that [15:35] only 6 years? [15:35] * pilgrimd still has his 13" G4 MacBook. Works fine, just slow. [15:35] my mom uses my old 12" g4 pb, just had to get a new battery; it's from 2003 [15:36] pilgrimd: you'd be amazed at what more ram and an ssd can do! [15:36] a_j__c: well, could have lasted longer except the guy had accidentally dropped it on concrete at school, and said it worked another year or two hooked up to an external monitor [15:36] I already maxed the RAM. Waiting for SSDs to get better and cheaper. [15:36] pilgrimd: you use macports? [15:37] fink: I doubt it, since I have no idea what that is. :) [15:37] my workstation is essentially just a dumb terminal to a bunch of unix machines using ssh. I don't really care about it's performance or specs. [15:37] fink: wow @ g4 [15:37] i love my T41 thinkpad [15:37] pilgrimd: it's a nix software package manager for os x [15:37] Ah. [15:37] similar to freebsd ports [15:37] mattx86: g4 & g5 were great chips [15:38] Then I do, but I don't. I ported FreeBSD's ports system to it myself. [15:38] as a computing society, we've pretty much lost the need for faster specs for quotidian tasks [15:38] pilgrimd: cool, how? [15:39] fink: pretty easy. the ports tree is actually stock except for Mk, which was heavily modified. [15:40] pilgrimd: that's awesome [15:40] pilgrimd: but also, way to reinvent the wheel ;) [15:40] Well, I hate pretty much every other package manager out there. [15:41] They all do some insanely stupid things or are just plain broken. Ports I like, mostly because it's easy to modify. [15:41] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [15:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [15:41] fink: maybe, but I can portsnap on my macbook and get an updated tree. :) [15:41] jpalmer: btw, do you use any of those tabbed SSH clients/wrappers for windows? [15:42] pilgrimd: macports is nearly the same [15:42] macports can portsnap/csup from freebsd's tree? [15:43] jpalmer: I do like that I can use a combination of gnome-terminal's tabs and tmux windows [15:44] of course, tmux may be available through cygwin [15:48] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [16:21] pilgrimd: no, it uses its own tree; i meant it has a similar update mechanism [16:25] *** Lefty__ has joined #arpnetworks [16:25] *** Lefty__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:27] *** Lefty__ has joined #arpnetworks [16:27] *** Lefty__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:44] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [17:14] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:20] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [17:25] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [17:32] I think I'll launch the Reverse DNS Manager now (with a beta notice) [17:34] done [17:36] up_the_irons: looks nice [17:36] * mig5 looks [17:36] G: thanks! [17:37] up_the_irons: can I make a suggestion? [17:38] up_the_irons: if I edit say x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.ip6.arpa, wouldn't it be better to just have a textarea of all NS records for that delegation, and split by line into actual DB records? [17:38] G: i don't get it ;) [17:38] I guess it doesn't really matter, and would likely require more work from the backend side but just wondering [17:39] reach record gets a row [17:39] *each [17:39] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:39] tweet'd [17:40] up_the_irons: yeah, but for mass editing of one delegation, it could be a crazy amounts of edits to change, (in my case 6) for the NS delegations, it'd be nice if it could be one edit, to edit all 6 rows [17:40] G: yeah that's true [17:41] either for a UI, one textarea one record per line, split again at the backend, or like most places, one per DB row [17:42] up_the_irons: but otherwise, looks good [17:43] thanks for the suggestions [17:57] up_the_irons: around? [17:57] jpalmer: yup [17:57] found an issue with the new PTR stuff [17:58] when I click on reverse DNS, it shows me (most of) the existing records. However, it doesn't show the existing NS records for my IPv4 subnet. only the CNAMES. [17:58] not sure if it was a faulty import, or a frontend/display issue. [17:59] jpalmer: yes, that's by design b/c I didn't finish the RFC 2317 validation code. So it won't show records like "x-y.a.b.c.in-addr.arpa" [17:59] the "-" is what confuses it [17:59] ahh, ok [18:00] so, for right now if I want to change my RFC2317 delegation, thats not possible? [18:03] jpalmer: yeah, it appears not possible yet [18:03] ok [18:03] *** cmeiklejohn is now known as shepherd [18:03] *** shepherd is now known as cmeiklejohn [18:12] up_the_irons: what's your twitter? [18:13] bsdvps [18:13] thanks! [18:22] ix33: and @arpnetworks [18:22] @bsdvps announces VPS related stuff, @arpnetworks is more for the overall business (like, i tweet peering relationships) [18:24] up_the_irons, with your vps node, it's safe if I upgrade lenny to squizze? [18:25] jaja: yes [18:26] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [18:31] up_the_irons: do your VPS images support Xenix? [18:32] ix33: its real hardware (via kvm). it's more of a question .. does xenix support the simulated hardware devices. [18:32] yeah [18:32] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [18:33] ohgod Xenix.... >< [18:34] * pilgrimd gets flashbacks of reloading an ICP-MS controller that was Xenix on a 486 with MCA slots and a bad NIC. [18:37] xenix... I remember booting that from floppies [18:37] i keed i keed [18:38] i always thought a MS Unix sounded fun [18:44] Unix with a BSOD! [18:47] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:48] who are all of these people with scores of 1,500 on the hurricane electric ipv6 cert? [18:48] is part of the cert writing a perl script that will automatically submit ping, whois, and traceroute output for 100 straight days? [18:53] I stopped at precisely 1024 [18:53] because I knew to get to 1500, I'd have to write scripts. :) [18:53] I already have my t-shirt at 1024 :) [19:38] yay my order went through [19:39] *** bharatak has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [19:58] *** whitefang has joined #arpnetworks [20:39] *** au has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:47] *** au has joined #arpnetworks [22:56] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [23:14] hey fuckers [23:17] wut :) [23:20] up_the_irons: do you have discounts for yearly? [23:45] up_the_irons: nevermind, found it on wiki ;) [23:54] * pilgrimd thinks there are WoW players at Hurricane Electric. [23:55] It's the only logical explanation for something as grind-happy as "submit 100 daily ping outputs". [23:55] * pilgrimd has lost friends to "I'm just doing my dailies." [23:56] haha [23:57] brb :) [23:57] *** mattx86 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:58] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks