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need to prepare a bsd.rd that can output to serial console? or will a stock bsd.rd work? [09:07] heh you're obviously not realizing what points things to the console of com0 [09:07] boot.conf aka /boot and boot blocks in general do this for you, all kernels have the capability to do serial console [09:13] toddf: cool, thanks. so basically i can just use the stock bsd.rd and it will do the right thing [09:14] youbetcha, if you see a boot> prompt on serial, 'boot bsd.rd' will do what you want [09:16] toddf: i totally get it now. since a reboot of the VPS would get it into serial anyway, i will be able to access the boot prompt via serial, so i can boot bsd.rd from there [09:17] funny thing is, i have done this hundreds of times on pyhsical boxes, but somehow this "SSH into the VPS serial console" concept threw me off for a moment :D [09:17] toddf: thank you [09:19] lteo: y/w [09:32] *** azmarco_ is now known as azmarco [09:38] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [09:39] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [10:10] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:15] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:23] *** Guest7722 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:24] *** crazed has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [10:25] *** Ozzer has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:25] *** nerdd has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:25] *** whitefang has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:25] *** dxtr_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:25] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [10:25] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:26] *** Nigel_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:26] *** awyeah_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:26] *** Ozzer has joined #arpnetworks [10:26] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [10:26] *** whitefang has joined #arpnetworks [10:26] *** dxtr_ has joined #arpnetworks [10:27] *** mike-burns has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:27] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:28] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:29] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [10:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran [10:29] *** heidar has joined #arpnetworks [10:29] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [10:30] *** nuke has joined #arpnetworks [10:30] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [10:30] *** nuke is now known as Guest39301 [10:35] *** Guest39301 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:35] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:36] *** crazed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [10:37] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [10:39] *** nukefree has joined #arpnetworks [10:39] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:41] *** mtve has joined #arpnetworks [10:41] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [10:42] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [10:43] *** G has joined #arpnetworks [10:45] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [10:45] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:45] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [11:04] *** Lefty_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:04] *** mtve has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:04] *** bGeorge has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:05] *** bGeorge_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:05] *** bGeorge_ is now known as bGeorge [11:05] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [11:11] *** key has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:12] *** key has joined #arpnetworks [11:15] *** Lefty has joined #arpnetworks [11:24] *** DDevine has joined #arpnetworks [11:27] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [11:30] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [11:32] *** jazz57 has joined #arpnetworks [11:32] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [11:32] Anyone experiencing connectivity issues? [11:34] I'm up via v6 ;-) [11:34] and v4.. [11:34] *** rgouveia has joined #arpnetworks [11:35] I'm having trouble on v4. [11:35] std networking troubleshooting. ping gw. traceroute. etc. [11:35] define 'connectivity issues' / [11:35] ? [11:36] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [11:36] hello. [11:36] more people having problems with downloading files from outside the US to their vps? [11:36] mine takes 10-20 secs on downloading webpages with curl/lynx [11:37] [20:43][ronny@vps:~]$ time lynx -dump http://www.telegraaf.nl [11:37] real 0m19.852s [11:37] user 0m0.020s [11:37] sys 0m0.022s [11:37] hi all .. I'm also having 'connectivity issues' as in cannot get to it... [11:37] 19 secs for downloading a website of a newspaper :-S [11:38] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [11:38] Pings are timing out, can't connect on ssh [11:38] i wonder if my vps is capped [11:38] outbound is much faster than inbound... [11:39] I am seeing 30% packet loss, [11:39] :( [11:39] Packet loss near the arp end. [11:39] i dont have that yet [11:39] toddf: huge packet loss at highwinds.com.any2ix.coresite.com [11:39] maybe the other way hmm let me try [11:39] toddf: ~30% [11:40] yeah lots packetlooss now also 30% [11:40] that must be the reason [11:41] i sent gary a msg [11:42] I get 0% packetloss on my vps at arp [11:42] toddf: from Portland OR: [11:42] --- wraithan.net ping statistics --- [11:42] 160 packets transmitted, 108 received, 32% packet loss, time 159320ms [11:43] wild, from my vps to your vps, 0% packet loss [11:43] i tried big newssites in the netherlands like nu.nl telegraaf.etc [11:43] about 30% loss [11:43] --- www.l.google.com ping statistics --- [11:43] 21 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 47.6% packet loss [11:44] pinging www.google.com from my vps [11:45] toddf: well the packet loss is upstream. [11:45] yes [11:45] same here [11:46] http://pastie.org/1633728 ... % column is packet loss.. [11:47] *** DDevine_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:47] *** blovett_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:47] *** tuvwx_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:47] *** mig5_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:47] *** bob^^ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:47] Here's mine: http://pastie.org/1633729 [11:47] im getting packet loss as well [11:48] My monitoring service is also having problems from multiple locations. [11:53] jazz57: I'm in .pt and my traceroute also stops on ge0-arpnet.cust.lax07.mzima.net (67.199.135.102) [11:54] Thanks, rgouveia. There's definitely something going on with the network. [11:54] wonder if it is the upstream mzima.net ? ;-) [11:55] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [11:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [11:56] *** bGeorge_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:56] Here comes help1 [11:57] up_the_Irons: Anything unusual happening on the network? [11:57] We're definitely seeing some packet loss. [11:57] jazz57: it appears level3 is having some problems today [11:58] I can't even ssh to my vps. [11:59] it appears kvr12 is also having some network issue as of 10 mins ago [11:59] i'm in the console, but I don't get any network connectivity [12:00] Figures. I'm on kvr12. [12:00] who installed routeros again! [12:00] * jlgaddis doesn't know what box he's on [12:03] * jazz57 is trying to log into the portal. [12:04] *** hobarrera has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** blovett_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** tuvwx_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** mig5_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** bob^^ has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] Hey there [12:05] Any known issues with kvr12 ATM? [12:05] <@up_the_irons> it appears kvr12 is also having some network issue as of 10 mins ago [12:05] Any ETA? [12:06] First problems I saw were at 11:31 [12:06] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [12:06] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [12:06] jazz57: What's your local time now? [12:06] 12:18 [12:06] jazz57: thanks :) [12:07] Sorry, I'm so SoCal centric! [12:07] hobarrera: I'm shutting down all the VMs now; will be rebooting, kernel upgrade, then bringing box back up. i would say 30 mins at the latest [12:07] all the vms? [12:07] up_the_irons: ok, thanks for the info [12:08] fink: the whole network stack appears dead; i've seen this once before. will be rebooting. [12:08] up_the_irons: will you rebooot it ? [12:08] coobra: yes [12:08] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:08] no no no :p [12:08] up_the_irons will earn this soon =) [12:08] http://evilrouters.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/reboot.png [12:09] LOL [12:09] hah [12:09] :D [12:09] lol [12:09] it's funny because up_the_irons looks just like him irl [12:09] Gotta go, thanks for the info [12:10] hobarrera: np [12:10] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [12:10] *** hobarrera has left [12:10] * jdoe yawns. [12:11] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:11] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [12:12] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:12] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [12:13] *** BarberRonny is now known as insider [12:14] packet loss seems to have gone away for me. [12:14] *** bharatak has joined #arpnetworks [12:14] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [12:15] *** bGeorge_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [12:15] kvr12 is rebooting now; kernel upgrade already done [12:15] ah, just about to ask about kvr12 [12:15] yeah, I packet loss is gone, yay! [12:15] i was able to get the networking back by restarting the networking sub-system, but i'm pretty sure that requires all VMs to be down (b/c they hold onto the tap / bridge resources) [12:15] yeah, my typing is fast now... [12:16] yay 0% packet loss [12:16] looks good on my side too [12:16] thank you [12:17] np, but I didn't do anything. was a level 3 issue [12:18] * jdoe blames up_the_irons [12:18] your presence resolved the issue :) [12:18] seems to work again :) [12:18] *** insider is now known as BarberRonny [12:19] i seem to have that effect on problems [12:19] up_the_irons: still trying to connect here ... [12:20] rgouveia: mine just started up [12:21] gonna check if I'm on kvr12... [12:22] what happened? [12:23] mine is up too :-) [12:23] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:24] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [12:24] *** rgouveia has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [12:24] *** awyeah_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:25] * jazz57 is back up. [12:27] Pings look good, too. 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[14:26] *** compromised has joined #arpnetworks [14:32] my coworker upgraded the VPS to the March 1 openbsd/amd64 snap and got "nvram: invalid checksum". are only certain openbsd versions supported? [14:34] lteo: all are supported, you just need to note 'disable mpbios' in big red flashing letters across your upgrade procedural documentation [14:36] http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/openbsd-hangs-at-setting-tty-flags-when-i-use-a-custom-kernel [14:37] *** compromised has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:37] *** Ahmed has left [14:38] toddf: thank you :) sorry, we just got the vps yesterday and we're still trying to feel our way around [14:58] *** tuvwx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:59] *** tuvwx has joined #arpnetworks [15:02] lteo: ... and if you fuck it up, you can fix it via vnc by disabling mpbios from the boot loader. [15:03] jdoe: thanks, i'll add to my notes in case we ever need to [15:04] thank him, I think the how-to-fix link is to his site ;) [16:13] *** jazz57 has left [16:17] *** robotarm_ has quit IRC () [16:17] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [16:43] man, if i added all my customers to my linkedin profile, i'd have massive connections [16:44] up_the_irons: let's connect [16:44] fink: my username is "garrydolley" [16:47] i am too drunk to know wtf linkedin is, but i will go create an account there and add you up_the_irons [16:47] just so you can have massive connectinos [16:47] azmarco: i like your attitude ;) [16:47] :) [16:50] some dumbasses actually put where they work (i work there too) [16:50] * azmarco facepalms [16:53] up_the_irons: i can't find you on there man [16:54] *** Husky has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) [16:54] *** Sheath has joined #arpnetworks [16:55] *** G has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [16:55] *** G has joined #arpnetworks [16:55] azmarco: search for "Garry Dolley" [16:56] boom [17:00] accepted! [17:00] holy shit [17:01] you know people at booz allen? [17:02] i work w some contractors that work for them [17:05] azmarco: booz allen? [17:05] booz allen hamilton [17:06] hmm, i don't recall [17:06] they are a decent sized contactor where i work [17:06] why does slicehost suck so bad? [17:10] fink: their STL site has had massive network problems today [17:10] fink: they're expensive for what they offer, and their disk is slow (but everyone's disk is slow, shared disk is always slow) [17:15] *** bGeorge_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:17] another packet loss spike [17:19] *** bGeorge_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [17:23] saw that [17:23] now I know why [17:24] huge traffic going to one vps on kvr12. same vps that had a huge spike earlier (and probably why kvr12 losts its networking stack) [17:33] we're getting /.ed? [17:40] who? 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[18:37] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:50] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [18:50] comparing 8x 4 Drive RAADZ vs. 4x 8 Drive RAIDZ2 [18:51] in terms of risk, performance, rebuild time [18:51] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:51] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:53] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:54] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:55] Assumming it's the same 32 drives in either case, rebuild time would be shorter with 8x4. [18:55] yep same drives [18:55] across 5 controllers [18:55] Performance is going to be about the same, since you have to calculate the same amount of parity. [18:55] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [18:55] 8 drives per controller except for the 5th that'll have 4 [18:55] *** heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:55] wouldn't IOP be double on 8x RAIDZ [18:56] 4x8 Z2 will provide n+2 for any two disks. 8x4 Z1 is only partially n+2. [18:56] as a raid set can only do one operation at a time [18:57] That's 36 disks, not 32. [18:58] two os drives, two spare [18:59] I'll also have two 128GB MLC SSD for L2ARC [18:59] and two 32GB Intel X25-E mirrored for ZIL [19:01] I'm pretty sure ZFS can do parallel operations on a single vdev. [19:02] If it were me, I would configure it as 4x8-disk Z2, making sure to put two disks on each controller. [19:02] hmm, once I get the hardware I'll have to benchmark it [19:02] yep [19:03] I think the other factors are a a wash at that point and that configuration gets you minimum n+2. [19:03] right [19:03] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [19:03] With 32 spindles, n+2 is would be more important to me. :) [19:03] s/ is// [19:04] Which OS, btw? [19:04] Nexenta Core [19:04] I'll install Solaris 11 to see if its anywhere [19:04] any better* [19:05] We have a file server at work running that. [19:05] It's wonky. [19:06] so n+2 with RAIDZ2 is good, but its not doubling risk to goto RAIDZ in this case [19:06] due to faster rebuild time [19:06] and > number of raid sets [19:06] how so wonky? [19:06] Maybe, but IMO n+2 and t(rebuild) = 2m >> n+1 and t(rebuild) = m [19:07] well depends on what the actual difference in rebuild time is [19:07] If you just do things how Nexenta wants you to do them, it works ok, but we tend to demand more than that from the servers. [19:08] We have to drop to their "shell" to do most of the volume and iSCSI, NFS and CIFS server configuration bits [19:08] yea I'm not going to use their appliance OS [19:08] but core [19:08] Ah. [19:08] which doesn't have their CLI [19:08] or gui [19:08] nor the TB limit on the free version [19:09] Ours isn't the free version. :) [19:09] indeed [19:10] Yea the plan it to play with Gluster on top of this [19:11] and see how well it would work to create a unified name space of multiple units [19:11] The NexentaStor box has been problematic. We're close to saying to hell with it and reloading the thing straight-up Solaris. [19:11] Has Oracle change the licensing on Solaris [19:11] changed* [19:11] Just some pesky bits about the support contract being voided. [19:12] at some point it was you could only trial it for 90 days on non-Sun hardware without a Solaris support contract [19:14] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [19:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [19:14] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:14] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [19:18] *** heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [19:30] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks [19:33] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [19:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [19:33] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:38] *** heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:07] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [20:15] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [21:05] the support.arpnetworks.com site is basically the same as e-mail support@, correct? [21:05] emailing* [21:06] last time i emailed, garry opened a ticket for all further correspondance [21:08] hm.. cuz last time (been a little while), I couldn't get an e-mail to him due to some configuration error on my e-mail provider's part [21:09] meh, I'll just open a ticket :) [21:14] mattx86: it's the same, yes [21:14] up_the_irons: ah, thanks :) [21:15] np [21:15] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [21:22] *** bGeorge_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:25] *** bGeorge has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:25] *** bGeorge_ is now known as bGeorge [21:31] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:35] *** mattx86 has quit IRC (Quit: brb/bbl) [21:51] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [22:02] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks [22:43] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [22:43] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [23:01] *** mick_laptop has quit IRC (Changing host) [23:01] *** mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks [23:38] *** rquisumbing has joined #arpnetworks [23:45] *** rquisumbing has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)