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[08:54] *** crazed_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:54] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [08:54] *** whitefang has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:54] *** awyeah has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:55] *** crazed has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:55] *** Ozzer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:55] *** awyeah has joined #arpnetworks [08:55] *** Ozzer has joined #arpnetworks [08:56] *** nerdd_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:56] *** crazed_ is now known as crazed [08:56] *** crazed has quit IRC (Changing host) [08:56] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [08:58] luceroz - he's here from time to time. is it a question that one of us might answer? [08:58] or a support request, which is best handled by emailing to support@? [09:10] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [09:16] *** jn_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:18] *** jn0 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:19] I don't have a support question right now, but an ongoing support conversation with Garry. I was just popping in to let him know who I am on irc in case we both happen to be on at the same time. [09:24] *** dxtr_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:25] *** dxtr has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:28] *** bob____ has joined #arpnetworks [09:29] *** bob^^ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:29] *** crazed has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:30] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [09:33] ahh. ok. [09:33] he's generally on a bit later. [09:34] Thanks, I'll try again later. 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[10:49] Bar graphs of counts of installations of each different O/S on ARP VPS's [10:49] *** avinashvakil has joined #arpnetworks [10:50] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:55] up_the_irons: if I order a bunch more VPS's then how soon do I have to pay you any monies? [10:56] I gots a new job starting on Monday but won't have any money for the next couple weeks. [10:59] raptelan: iirc payment is required before the vps is engaged, but support@ could answer definitively [11:19] lots of personality in openbsd misc [11:19] *** nukefree has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) [11:21] *** nuke has joined #arpnetworks [11:21] *** nuke is now known as Guest7722 [11:23] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [11:29] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:31] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:40] *** avinashvakil has quit IRC (Quit: avinashvakil) [11:42] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [11:43] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [11:50] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:50] *** zeeby__ is now known as zeeby [11:52] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [11:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [11:53] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [12:50] *** Jason_Wood has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:05] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [13:05] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [13:05] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [13:18] hmm. I wonder why I got dropped. :) [13:19] it appear as a ipv6 route(r) got dropped [13:22] *** Jason_Wood has joined #arpnetworks [13:22] raptelan: you need to pay in advance [13:23] first step to provisioning is charging the credit card [13:34] *** luceroz has joined #arpnetworks [13:45] man page quality on other OS is why people run afoul of openbsd folks when asking for help [13:46] not used to man pages being helpful i guess [13:47] ix33: do you find openbsd man pages helpful or...? I actually find them pretty helpful [13:47] oh heck yes [13:48] worlds better than i've been used to [13:49] ix33: yeah, they are pretty good [13:50] so does FreeBSD have something like snmpd(8), which I found very easy to set up on OpenBSD ? [13:50] channel question: ^^ [13:52] in a past life i have used net-snmp, is OpenBSD snmpd not based on this? [13:52] apparently not? [13:53] and btw i am shocked that snmpd is in obsd base [13:54] *** hsbt_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:54] *** crazed has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:54] yup openbsd snmpd is a separate implementation [13:54] holy cow is there anything these guys won't re-write? [13:55] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [13:59] ix33: LOL, srsly right? the cool thing about these things being in base is, it's like 2 lines in rc.conf.local and it "just works". I was amazed that I could just turn it on, point my Cacti setup to my OpenBSD router, and *bam* I got all the interface graphs! [13:59] bbl [14:00] up_the_irons: it's been fun the past month getting re-acquainted with such a quality project [14:00] up_the_irons: nsd in 4.9 base is great as well. no more BIND! [14:01] up_the_irons: why the nick up_the_irons [14:03] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [14:13] *** crazed has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:14] *** crazed has joined #arpnetworks [14:19] *** luceroz has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:20] *** bob____ is now known as bob^^ [15:21] ix33: if slackers ever stop slacking unbound will join nsd and bind will go to the attic for real [15:22] ix33: if smtpd ever gets finished sendmail will join it... thats a longer time in coming though [15:44] up_the_irons: freebsd probably has net-snmp in ports if you want, it has bsnmpd in the base system. [16:02] toddf: i'm all for that [16:05] toddf: I get rewriting for licensing/whatever reasons, but I never understood why they stuck with sendmail/bind/whatever in the interim. [16:06] sendmail especially [16:06] something you can't chroot easily [16:07] I wouldn't want to chroot a monolithic process anyway... [16:08] *** awyeah_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:09] *** awyeah_ has joined #arpnetworks [16:47] *** bGeorge has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.) [16:49] *** bGeorge has joined #arpnetworks [18:04] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [18:25] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [18:50] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [18:52] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [19:28] the choice of sendmail/bind is mostly a choice of nothing with the proper license showed up. note that OpenBSD sticks by its goals of freedom much more than other projects, where things like vmware client and lkm's got removed from the ports tree after qemu was deemed a 'stable' replacement due to freeness.. nothing gets added to base that is any more restrictive than gpl2 (meaning gpl3 is out of the question) and even then bsd/mit/isc ... [19:29] ... licenses are much preferred so one can do as one wishes with OpenBSD instead of worrying about licensing issues with components having various hooks in random realities .. [19:36] toddf: wow, openbsd doesn't allow GPL3? [19:36] learn something new every day I guess :) [19:48] G: not in base [19:48] ports is another story [19:49] azmarco: oh in base, right I get it now [19:50] sorry, had just done a wtf at seeing no GPL3 for OpenBSD, and thought it meant at all :) [19:50] (jumping to conclusions fail ;)) [19:52] find /usr/ports -name Makefile -exec grep GPLv3 {} \; | wc -l [19:52] 173 [19:53] G: I wish more OSes would follow suit with that. I'm fine with installing GPLed software, but it should be a choice. I should have the right to not be infected with viral licenses. [19:54] I do actually agree [19:54] imo GPL is one ugly mess [19:55] I had to pay a lawyer to tell me if I had to GPL a school project because some of the stuff I used was GPLed. [19:57] I've had to e-mail Red Hat, to inform them that one of their GPL projects, was non-compliant w/ the GPL.... [19:58] a company like that should know what the GPL means [20:02] i admire that TdR's views on 'free' software are self-consistent and his project lives them [20:03] * azmarco needs a good font for xterm. suggestions? [20:04] Wingdings. [20:04] my only issue with the BSDs, is when I've had a look at them for desktop use, the integration, isn't there at the same level as say Debian/Fedora, imo it's just a bit of a let down [20:05] what kind of integration do you need? [20:05] G: I make the same argument against Linux compared to Windows and MacOS X. [20:05] OS X ;) [20:06] azmarco: between desktop components, the biggest I found was for instance, GNOME/Firefox, when I was using FreeBSD, install a PDF reader, and then spend longer than it took to download/compile to get it integrated all nice & neat [20:06] "But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to all (be they people or companies), for any purpose they wish to use it, including modification, use, peeing on, or even integration into baby mulching machines or atomic bombs to be dropped on Australia." -TdR [20:06] I won't deny, it works, just not as tidy as others [20:07] oh [20:07] integration for me is how fast can i get an xterm [20:07] who needs X+xterm when you've got tmux/screen? [20:07] azmarco: no, I'm just talking about how easy it is to get different components talking to each other how they should [20:08] what components though? [20:08] If you really want a good desktop: Solaris Java Desktop. [20:08] pilgrimd: you had be puking at Solaris :) [20:09] G: Hey, it's the only desktop where you never have to worry about multimedia integration. [20:09] pilgrimd: why, because there is no multimedia? [20:09] haha [20:09] G: Right, so there's no worrying about it. :) [20:11] that said, I can talk atm, I'm currently using Windows because I couldn't get the Linux Arduino builds talking to my Arduino board :P [20:12] We have Sun Rays at work. Some are hooked up to a V490. The one on my desktop connects to a Ubuntu Linux machine running Sun Ray Server. [20:12] s/desktop/desk/ [20:12] pilgrimd: which sun rays? [20:13] G: can't you just use gcc-avr? works just find on obsd even with the latest arduino uno [20:13] azmarco: sure, now I know what I'm actually doing with the board, but I was experimenting a bit, and was using the examples in the IDE to learn [20:14] azmarco: The ones on the V490 are original Sun Rays. The one on my desk is a Sun Ray 2. [20:15] azmarco: Sorry, no, v490's one are 2's, I have a 3. [20:15] do they work well for you? [20:16] Actually yeah, they do. [20:16] The v490 is primarily a Cadence compute box, so students leave their sessions running disconnected. The one I have is about as nice a thin client as I've seen. [20:19] nice. cool concept. we had some SR1s hanging of a 220R back in ~2000. cool idea, but a lot of rough edges [20:19] SRS5 is a complex beastie, but it's pretty smoothed out these days. [20:20] i think i was dealing with srs1 or 2 back then [20:20] The hardest part was figuring out all the DHCP options for the rays' vlan. 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