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BeBoo_ has joined #arpnetworks nesta: hey BeBoo_ :D BeBoo_: heya nesta Sheath: hi BeBoo_: how ya been nesta: doing good
about to make my dinner
how you? BeBoo_: yum. whatcha havin Sheath: dongs BeBoo_: just sittin at work, workin on some php stuffs nesta: steak, mash celeriac, grilled flat cap mushrooms and bearnaise sauce BeBoo_: not sure what celeriac is but the rest sounds yummy nesta: hi coil
hidey cat Sheath: hi
sounds like a delicious dinner nesta: yes its gonna be amazing
can't wait
I might be looking forward to the wine even more tho
lol
hard day at work Sheath: ugh alcohol
yeah im currently recovering from a pretty bad hangover myself up_the_irons: yum BeBoo_: heya up_the_irons up_the_irons: hey BeBoo_
brb BeBoo_: how are ya, sir? ***: amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: amdprophet) nesta: up_the_irons: if I want to request a OpenBSD to be put in the disc drive is there a charge?
I don't need you to install it as I can just do it meself
bbiab BeBoo_: nesta: yes, labor.. :-P nesta: hehe :P
trying to find how much he might charge for that task :)
anyway bbiab
tummy grumbling Sheath: nesta i think he'll do that for free
just gotta email support
and you might have to provide the iso url tho jpalmer: nesta: we'll change the cd ISO. there is no charge. please send an email to support@ with your login name, your VPS UUID (available in your customer portal) and the link to the .iso file you want mounted. up_the_irons: BeBoo_: i'm good, yourself?
nesta: no charge BeBoo_: up_the_irons: i'm great, thanks =
=] up_the_irons: jpalmer: i've been reviewing your DNS tickets and I just wanted to say great job. You make my life easier :) jpalmer: danke. just doing what I can ;) up_the_irons: :) ***: amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks nesta: cool thanks ***: jlgaddis has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)
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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer vcs: ahhhh the joy of PF
making my life so much easier Sheath: hehe vcs: iptables could learn a thing or two from pf
understatement of the century up_the_irons: pf is nice
although iptables with *ferm* is actually pretty nice. ferm takes out all the frustration and duplication. I think newer ferm's actually support pf too
n/m, no pf support jpalmer: the only problem I really have with iptables, is the horribly archaic syntax.
(rule syntax that is)
it's certainly flexible and capable. but man, trying to remember what the switches all mean after looking at a pf ruleset..
pf reads like an english sentence. iptables reads like.. a horribly translated tech manual into english. up_the_irons: haha vcs: yeah
i mean i can read iptables and understand
but writing it is another story
also its much easier to make a cleaner pf ruleset
and alot easier to add new things to it
since you can use variables and such
being able to do stuf like tcp_services="{21,22,80,113,443}" is just awesome
and thats just the tip of the iceberg up_the_irons: holy shit, we just hit 70 people in here. new record!
i wonder why it is growing now, when it stayed at about 55 for like a year jpalmer: up_the_irons: I mention it all the time on linkedin.
anytime anyone asks about a vps. or colo. up_the_irons: jpalmer: whoa cool!! vcs: ive mentioned it to quite a few people
BSD + ipv6 usually instantly sells them jpalmer: indeed. up_the_irons: ah jpalmer: if I could ever bear the childish bullshit on ##FreeBSD again.. I'd probably mention it more often.. but frankly.. the channel has grown to disgust me. vcs: lol jpalmer: I stepped down as a staffer after several years, because I couldn't deal with it anymore. it was bad enough that.. had I been the founder, I would have demoted almost all of the existing staff, and vigorously started kickbanning certain regulars who did nothing but berate and belittle newcomers. -: fink remembers being banned by teh jpalmer vcs: elitism and OSS
we all had to stard somewhere
start* jpalmer: for a community that thinks they are so open minded.. I found it to be exactly the opposite. you mention just about any other OS in there (even another BSD) and instantly.. it was debate central. up_the_irons: yep jpalmer: anyway, enough knocking them. I tried to change things for 3 years before I stepped down. and realized, stepping down was the right move for me. I shouldn't badmouth them after-the-fact. ***: amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: amdprophet)
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BeBoo_ has quit IRC (Quit: BeBoo_) crazed: where are the vps' located? Sheath: los angles, ca
if i could only spell... crazed: ah alright
that would explain the extra latency compared to my linode in newark, nj :) up_the_irons: yup :)
crazed: you should share a traceroute; worth seeing the path it takes crazed: sure
http://arpnetworks.pastebin.com/etiwXafc
it never fully reaches my arpnetworks box, i have icmp blocked, i should allow it though toddf: blocking icmp never makes any sense and only causes more harm than good. fink: yea i hate it when people do that up_the_irons: cool, tnx
datapipe, interesting crazed: yeah i need to allow it
decided to block for whatever reason and don't want to kill my state table
my pf rules are sort of botched rigth now
also i'm at work, that's why it's coming from datapipe lol G: up_the_irons: popularity reason? IPv6 & KVM are getting popular crazed: <3 kvm G: exactly up_the_irons: G: yeah probably ***: jlgaddis has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks G: up_the_irons: even for just IPv6 VPS, ARP is one of the most mentioned up_the_irons: G: o'rly? cool! crazed: yeah
that's the main reason i switched from linode personally
freebsd/zfs was a huge side bonus
also more resources for the same price G: up_the_irons: for instance: http://hosting.4or6.com/tutorial?l=en
personally, my criteria, was: Not OpenVZ, Not VMware, Not Some Other Virt Tech that I've never heard of, and IPv6 up_the_irons: G: ah yeah, seen that.
G: hehe cool crazed: up_the_irons: i have no idea how you got such good disk i/o with bsd and kvm, but i'm impressed G: oh and they had to actually talk about IPv6 on their site up_the_irons: crazed: :) G: iirc the VMs are using virtio or somesuch right?
or is that only the Linux based ones crazed: linux only has virtio
unless freebsd made drivers recently, but they would have to write them from scratch up_the_irons: G: only linux supports virtio for disk
and also for network crazed: block devices really G: up_the_irons: actually Windows supports virtio now up_the_irons: G: no shit? haha
maybe i should start offering Win VMs ;) G: up_the_irons: Red Hat got the drivers for Windows certified mid-late-09 up_the_irons: i wonder how the licensing on that works
G: cool ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) G: up_the_irons: Win VM+SPICE would be interesting, but not for me ;0 up_the_irons: G: i c G: (instead of VNC that is) up_the_irons: G: ah, yes, definitely interesting G: up_the_irons: I have it on my home network for a couple of VMs, makes it nice when switching OS's it just works
(spice that is) up_the_irons: G: nice jdoe: up_the_irons: unpleasantly, I would think (re: windows licensing) G: and yeah, I agree up_the_irons: yeah G: like it'd need at least half a gig of RAM just for the OS, then prices I've seen for Windows VMs have been like $15+/mo more ***: Zuul has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out)
Zuul has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: i c Jareth: btw
up_the_irons thanks for the vps stable, fast, and linux/emu rox ;) up_the_irons: Jareth: no problem, glad you like it! nesta: :)
arp rox mt sox
my*
:P Jareth: up_the_irons, if later I need more ipv4 it's possible or I have the max of allowed ip? up_the_irons: Jareth: how many do you have now? merky: i'm curious why people keep saying the disk performance is great, and i'm finding disk performance on the slower side?
is openbsd sucky with diskio on kvm fink: yes Jareth: up_the_irons I have buy a /28 I think
yeh 13 ip /28 up_the_irons: Jareth: then you are at the limit
I may stop offering /28's in the future, b/c of exhaustion, or up the price merky: oh actually if i write 20 mb it's quicker
gah oh well i don't care that much
openbsd doesn't haev apt-get to chew through disk taking ages to install a small package nesta: there is always FreeBSD :D
:P merky: freebsd was real messy last time i looked at it
i suppose i should check it out sometime
actualyl i think i did try to try it out sometime, and it didn't boot in virtualbox nesta: its amazing merky: how do you add a package? nesta: I like OpenBSD too though
I use ports, just like OpenBSD merky: oh, i don't use ports in oepnbsd nesta: there is alwaso packages though merky: i used to nesta: also* merky: but for things like iperf, mtr, zsh, vim etc
i don't really care about compiling my own version nesta: well there is packages too like in OpenBSD merky: last time i tried to use freebsd, people were saying to use cvsup and shit
and it was really complicated to get source
and to compile your own kernel etc
well actually it wasn't that bad nesta: ugh merky: but it was still kind of unstable nesta: use 'csup' ints in base
no need to add anything
its* merky: i used freebsd in 2001 nesta: bleh can't type merky: it corrupted my hard-disk
but that was back in IDE days nesta: ahh merky: i think there was some problembecause i was using UDMA66
but it made me paranoid about it
and when it corrupted data i went to openbsd straight away
cos i first thought freebsd would be faster
and better for a desktop
and y'know what? openbsd was faster/easier as a desktop
at least back in 2001
xterms seemed to load up quicker
it was easier to set up X etc
surprised me, cos people were always saying that openbsd isn't really for desktops
but then, i suppose i'm not typical desktop user? i mostyl just use terminals, and ion, pidgin, a web browser, pdf viewer RandalSchwartz: my desktop uses OSX :) G: my desktop runs timber
with layers and layers of paper :) RandalSchwartz: are you merky of merky research? nesta: haha G ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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clear mike-burns: You can configure that in your IRC client, probably. crazed: i did
/ignore #arpnetworks joins parts quits :) ***: HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks
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