hey all
hey BeBoo_ :D
heya nesta
hi
how ya been
doing good
about to make my dinner
how you?
yum. whatcha havin
dongs
just sittin at work, workin on some php stuffs
steak, mash celeriac, grilled flat cap mushrooms and bearnaise sauce
not sure what celeriac is but the rest sounds yummy
hi coil
hidey cat
hi
sounds like a delicious dinner
yes its gonna be amazing
can't wait
I might be looking forward to the wine even more tho
lol
hard day at work
ugh alcohol
yeah im currently recovering from a pretty bad hangover myself
yum
heya up_the_irons
hey BeBoo_
brb
how are ya, sir?
up_the_irons: if I want to request a OpenBSD to be put in the disc drive is there a charge?
I don't need you to install it as I can just do it meself
bbiab
nesta: yes, labor.. :-P
hehe :P
trying to find how much he might charge for that task :)
anyway bbiab
tummy grumbling
nesta i think he'll do that for free
just gotta email support
and you might have to provide the iso url tho
nesta: we'll change the cd ISO.  there is no charge.   please send an email to support@ with your login name,  your VPS UUID (available in your customer portal)  and the link to the .iso file you want mounted.
BeBoo_: i'm good, yourself?
nesta: no charge
up_the_irons: i'm great, thanks =
=]
jpalmer: i've been reviewing your DNS tickets and I just wanted to say great job.  You make my life easier :)
danke.   just doing what I can ;)
:)
cool thanks
ahhhh the joy of PF
making my life so much easier
hehe
iptables could learn a thing or two from pf
understatement of the century
pf is nice
although iptables with *ferm* is actually pretty nice.  ferm takes out all the frustration and duplication.  I think newer ferm's actually support pf too
n/m, no pf support
the only problem I really have with iptables,  is the horribly archaic syntax.
(rule syntax that is)
it's certainly flexible and capable.  but man,   trying to remember what the switches all mean after looking at a pf ruleset..
pf reads like an english sentence.  iptables reads like..  a horribly translated tech manual into english.
haha
yeah
i mean i can read iptables and understand
but writing it is another story
also its much easier to make a cleaner pf ruleset
and alot easier to add new things to it
since you can use variables and such
being able to do stuf like tcp_services="{21,22,80,113,443}" is just awesome
and thats just the tip of the iceberg
holy shit, we just hit 70 people in here.  new record!
i wonder why it is growing now, when it stayed at about 55 for like a year
up_the_irons: I mention it all the time on linkedin.
anytime anyone asks about a vps.  or colo.
jpalmer: whoa cool!!
ive mentioned it to quite a few people
BSD + ipv6 usually instantly sells them
indeed.
ah
if I could ever bear the childish bullshit on ##FreeBSD again..  I'd probably mention it more often.. but frankly..  the channel has grown to disgust me.
lol
I stepped down as a staffer after several years,  because I couldn't deal with it anymore.    it was bad enough that..  had I been the founder,  I would have demoted almost all of the existing staff,  and vigorously started kickbanning certain regulars who did nothing but berate and belittle newcomers.
elitism and OSS
we all had to stard somewhere
start*
for a community that thinks they are so open minded..   I found it to be exactly the opposite.  you mention just about any other OS in there (even another BSD)  and instantly..  it was debate central.
yep
anyway,  enough knocking them.   I tried to change things for 3 years before I stepped down.  and realized,  stepping down was the right move for me.  I shouldn't badmouth them after-the-fact.
where are the vps' located?
los angles, ca
if i could only spell...
ah alright
that would explain the extra latency compared to my linode in newark, nj :)
yup :)
crazed: you should share a traceroute; worth seeing the path it takes
sure
http://arpnetworks.pastebin.com/etiwXafc
it never fully reaches my arpnetworks box, i have icmp blocked, i should allow it though
blocking icmp never makes any sense and only causes more harm than good.
yea i hate it when people do that
cool, tnx
datapipe, interesting
yeah i need to allow it
decided to block for whatever reason and don't want to kill my state table
my pf rules are sort of botched rigth now
also i'm at work, that's why it's coming from datapipe lol
up_the_irons: popularity reason?  IPv6 & KVM are getting popular
<3 kvm
exactly
G: yeah probably
up_the_irons: even for just IPv6 VPS, ARP is one of the most mentioned
G: o'rly?  cool!
yeah
that's the main reason i switched from linode personally
freebsd/zfs was a huge side bonus
also more resources for the same price
up_the_irons: for instance: http://hosting.4or6.com/tutorial?l=en
personally, my criteria, was:  Not OpenVZ, Not VMware, Not Some Other Virt Tech that I've never heard of, and IPv6
G: ah yeah, seen that.
G: hehe cool
up_the_irons: i have no idea how you got such good disk i/o with bsd and kvm, but i'm impressed
oh and they had to actually talk about IPv6 on their site
crazed: :)
iirc the VMs are using virtio or somesuch right?
or is that only the Linux based ones
linux only has virtio
unless freebsd made drivers recently, but they would have to write them from scratch
G: only linux supports virtio for disk
and also for network
block devices really
up_the_irons: actually Windows supports virtio now
G: no shit? haha
maybe i should start offering Win VMs ;)
up_the_irons: Red Hat got the drivers for Windows certified mid-late-09
i wonder how the licensing on that works
G: cool
up_the_irons: Win VM+SPICE would be interesting, but not for me ;0
G: i c
(instead of VNC that is)
G: ah, yes, definitely interesting
up_the_irons: I have it on my home network for a couple of VMs, makes it nice when switching OS's it just works
(spice that is)
G: nice
up_the_irons: unpleasantly, I would think (re: windows licensing)
and yeah, I agree
yeah
like it'd need at least half a gig of RAM just for the OS, then prices I've seen for Windows VMs have been like $15+/mo more
i c
btw
up_the_irons thanks for the vps stable, fast, and linux/emu rox ;)
Jareth: no problem, glad you like it!
:)
arp rox mt sox
my*
:P
up_the_irons, if later I need more ipv4 it's possible or I have the max of allowed ip?
Jareth: how many do you have now?
i'm curious why people keep saying the disk performance is great, and i'm finding disk performance on the slower side?
is openbsd sucky with diskio on kvm
yes
up_the_irons I have buy a /28 I think
yeh 13 ip /28
Jareth: then you are at the limit
I may stop offering /28's in the future, b/c of exhaustion, or up the price
oh actually if i write 20 mb it's quicker
gah oh well i don't care that much
openbsd doesn't haev apt-get to chew through disk taking ages to install a small package
there is always FreeBSD :D
:P
freebsd was real messy last time i looked at it
i suppose i should check it out sometime
actualyl i think i did try to try it out sometime, and it didn't boot in virtualbox
its amazing
how do you add a package?
I like OpenBSD too though
I use ports, just like OpenBSD
oh, i don't use ports in oepnbsd
there is alwaso packages though
i used to
also*
but for things like iperf, mtr, zsh, vim etc
i don't really care about compiling my own version
well there is packages too like in OpenBSD
last time i tried to use freebsd, people were saying to use cvsup and shit
and it was really complicated to get source
and to compile your own kernel etc
well actually it wasn't that bad
ugh
but it was still kind of unstable
use 'csup' ints in base
no need to add anything
its*
i used freebsd in 2001
bleh can't type
it corrupted my hard-disk
but that was back in IDE days
ahh
i think there was some problembecause i was using UDMA66
but it made me paranoid about it
and when it corrupted data i went to openbsd straight away
cos i first thought freebsd would be faster
and better for a desktop
and y'know what?  openbsd was faster/easier as a desktop
at least back in 2001
xterms seemed to load up quicker
it was easier to set up X etc
surprised me, cos people were always saying that openbsd isn't really for desktops
but then, i suppose i'm not typical desktop user?  i mostyl just use terminals, and ion, pidgin, a web browser, pdf viewer
my desktop uses OSX :)
my desktop runs timber
with layers and layers of paper :)
are you merky of merky research?
haha G
this chanel needs to ignore joins/parts
clear
You can configure that in your IRC client, probably.
i did
 /ignore #arpnetworks joins parts quits :)