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[11:25] yum. whatcha havin [11:26] dongs [11:26] just sittin at work, workin on some php stuffs [11:26] steak, mash celeriac, grilled flat cap mushrooms and bearnaise sauce [11:26] not sure what celeriac is but the rest sounds yummy [11:26] hi coil [11:27] hidey cat [11:27] hi [11:27] sounds like a delicious dinner [11:27] yes its gonna be amazing [11:28] can't wait [11:28] I might be looking forward to the wine even more tho [11:28] lol [11:28] hard day at work [11:28] ugh alcohol [11:28] yeah im currently recovering from a pretty bad hangover myself [11:28] yum [11:28] heya up_the_irons [11:28] hey BeBoo_ [11:28] brb [11:28] how are ya, sir? [11:29] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: amdprophet) [11:29] up_the_irons: if I want to request a OpenBSD to be put in the disc drive is there a charge? [11:29] I don't need you to install it as I can just do it meself [11:29] bbiab [11:29] nesta: yes, labor.. :-P [11:29] hehe :P [11:30] trying to find how much he might charge for that task :) [11:30] anyway bbiab [11:30] tummy grumbling [11:30] nesta i think he'll do that for free [11:30] just gotta email support [11:30] and you might have to provide the iso url tho [11:32] nesta: we'll change the cd ISO. there is no charge. please send an email to support@ with your login name, your VPS UUID (available in your customer portal) and the link to the .iso file you want mounted. [11:43] BeBoo_: i'm good, yourself? [11:43] nesta: no charge [11:43] up_the_irons: i'm great, thanks = [11:43] =] [11:44] jpalmer: i've been reviewing your DNS tickets and I just wanted to say great job. You make my life easier :) [11:45] danke. just doing what I can ;) [11:45] :) [11:55] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [11:56] cool thanks [12:17] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [12:17] *** jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [12:23] ahhhh the joy of PF [12:23] making my life so much easier [12:23] hehe [12:23] iptables could learn a thing or two from pf [12:23] understatement of the century [12:24] pf is nice [12:24] although iptables with *ferm* is actually pretty nice. ferm takes out all the frustration and duplication. I think newer ferm's actually support pf too [12:25] n/m, no pf support [12:30] the only problem I really have with iptables, is the horribly archaic syntax. [12:30] (rule syntax that is) [12:31] it's certainly flexible and capable. but man, trying to remember what the switches all mean after looking at a pf ruleset.. [12:31] pf reads like an english sentence. iptables reads like.. a horribly translated tech manual into english. [12:32] haha [12:35] yeah [12:35] i mean i can read iptables and understand [12:35] but writing it is another story [12:36] also its much easier to make a cleaner pf ruleset [12:36] and alot easier to add new things to it [12:36] since you can use variables and such [12:37] being able to do stuf like tcp_services="{21,22,80,113,443}" is just awesome [12:37] and thats just the tip of the iceberg [12:42] holy shit, we just hit 70 people in here. new record! [12:43] i wonder why it is growing now, when it stayed at about 55 for like a year [12:43] up_the_irons: I mention it all the time on linkedin. [12:43] anytime anyone asks about a vps. or colo. [12:43] jpalmer: whoa cool!! [12:45] ive mentioned it to quite a few people [12:45] BSD + ipv6 usually instantly sells them [12:46] indeed. [12:46] ah [12:47] if I could ever bear the childish bullshit on ##FreeBSD again.. I'd probably mention it more often.. but frankly.. the channel has grown to disgust me. [12:47] lol [12:48] I stepped down as a staffer after several years, because I couldn't deal with it anymore. it was bad enough that.. had I been the founder, I would have demoted almost all of the existing staff, and vigorously started kickbanning certain regulars who did nothing but berate and belittle newcomers. [12:49] * fink remembers being banned by teh jpalmer [12:49] elitism and OSS [12:49] we all had to stard somewhere [12:49] start* [12:50] for a community that thinks they are so open minded.. I found it to be exactly the opposite. you mention just about any other OS in there (even another BSD) and instantly.. it was debate central. [12:51] yep [12:51] anyway, enough knocking them. I tried to change things for 3 years before I stepped down. and realized, stepping down was the right move for me. I shouldn't badmouth them after-the-fact. [13:00] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: amdprophet) [13:08] *** trebuchet has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:41] *** BeBoo_ has quit IRC (Quit: BeBoo_) [13:58] where are the vps' located? [13:58] los angles, ca [13:59] if i could only spell... [13:59] ah alright [14:00] that would explain the extra latency compared to my linode in newark, nj :) [14:07] yup :) [14:08] crazed: you should share a traceroute; worth seeing the path it takes [14:13] sure [14:17] http://arpnetworks.pastebin.com/etiwXafc [14:18] it never fully reaches my arpnetworks box, i have icmp blocked, i should allow it though [14:19] blocking icmp never makes any sense and only causes more harm than good. [14:20] yea i hate it when people do that [14:23] cool, tnx [14:23] datapipe, interesting [14:27] yeah i need to allow it [14:27] decided to block for whatever reason and don't want to kill my state table [14:28] my pf rules are sort of botched rigth now [14:28] also i'm at work, that's why it's coming from datapipe lol [14:33] up_the_irons: popularity reason? IPv6 & KVM are getting popular [14:34] <3 kvm [14:34] exactly [14:34] G: yeah probably [14:37] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:38] *** jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks [14:41] up_the_irons: even for just IPv6 VPS, ARP is one of the most mentioned [14:41] G: o'rly? cool! [14:42] yeah [14:42] that's the main reason i switched from linode personally [14:42] freebsd/zfs was a huge side bonus [14:42] also more resources for the same price [14:43] up_the_irons: for instance: http://hosting.4or6.com/tutorial?l=en [14:44] personally, my criteria, was: Not OpenVZ, Not VMware, Not Some Other Virt Tech that I've never heard of, and IPv6 [14:44] G: ah yeah, seen that. [14:44] G: hehe cool [14:44] up_the_irons: i have no idea how you got such good disk i/o with bsd and kvm, but i'm impressed [14:44] oh and they had to actually talk about IPv6 on their site [14:45] crazed: :) [14:45] iirc the VMs are using virtio or somesuch right? [14:45] or is that only the Linux based ones [14:45] linux only has virtio [14:45] unless freebsd made drivers recently, but they would have to write them from scratch [14:48] G: only linux supports virtio for disk [14:48] and also for network [14:49] block devices really [14:50] up_the_irons: actually Windows supports virtio now [14:50] G: no shit? haha [14:51] maybe i should start offering Win VMs ;) [14:51] up_the_irons: Red Hat got the drivers for Windows certified mid-late-09 [14:51] i wonder how the licensing on that works [14:51] G: cool [14:52] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:52] up_the_irons: Win VM+SPICE would be interesting, but not for me ;0 [14:52] G: i c [14:52] (instead of VNC that is) [14:59] G: ah, yes, definitely interesting [15:00] up_the_irons: I have it on my home network for a couple of VMs, makes it nice when switching OS's it just works [15:00] (spice that is) [15:00] G: nice [15:06] up_the_irons: unpleasantly, I would think (re: windows licensing) [15:06] and yeah, I agree [15:06] yeah [15:08] like it'd need at least half a gig of RAM just for the OS, then prices I've seen for Windows VMs have been like $15+/mo more [15:10] *** Zuul has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:10] *** Zuul has joined #arpnetworks [15:12] i c [15:14] btw [15:14] up_the_irons thanks for the vps stable, fast, and linux/emu rox ;) [15:14] Jareth: no problem, glad you like it! [15:16] :) [15:16] arp rox mt sox [15:16] my* [15:16] :P [15:16] up_the_irons, if later I need more ipv4 it's possible or I have the max of allowed ip? [15:17] Jareth: how many do you have now? [15:17] i'm curious why people keep saying the disk performance is great, and i'm finding disk performance on the slower side? [15:17] is openbsd sucky with diskio on kvm [15:17] yes [15:17] up_the_irons I have buy a /28 I think [15:18] yeh 13 ip /28 [15:18] Jareth: then you are at the limit [15:18] I may stop offering /28's in the future, b/c of exhaustion, or up the price [15:20] oh actually if i write 20 mb it's quicker [15:21] gah oh well i don't care that much [15:21] openbsd doesn't haev apt-get to chew through disk taking ages to install a small package [15:21] there is always FreeBSD :D [15:21] :P [15:22] freebsd was real messy last time i looked at it [15:22] i suppose i should check it out sometime [15:23] actualyl i think i did try to try it out sometime, and it didn't boot in virtualbox [15:23] its amazing [15:23] how do you add a package? [15:23] I like OpenBSD too though [15:23] I use ports, just like OpenBSD [15:23] oh, i don't use ports in oepnbsd [15:23] there is alwaso packages though [15:23] i used to [15:24] also* [15:24] but for things like iperf, mtr, zsh, vim etc [15:24] i don't really care about compiling my own version [15:24] well there is packages too like in OpenBSD [15:24] last time i tried to use freebsd, people were saying to use cvsup and shit [15:24] and it was really complicated to get source [15:24] and to compile your own kernel etc [15:25] well actually it wasn't that bad [15:25] ugh [15:25] but it was still kind of unstable [15:25] use 'csup' ints in base [15:25] no need to add anything [15:25] its* [15:25] i used freebsd in 2001 [15:25] bleh can't type [15:25] it corrupted my hard-disk [15:25] but that was back in IDE days [15:26] ahh [15:26] i think there was some problembecause i was using UDMA66 [15:26] but it made me paranoid about it [15:26] and when it corrupted data i went to openbsd straight away [15:26] cos i first thought freebsd would be faster [15:26] and better for a desktop [15:26] and y'know what? openbsd was faster/easier as a desktop [15:26] at least back in 2001 [15:26] xterms seemed to load up quicker [15:27] it was easier to set up X etc [15:27] surprised me, cos people were always saying that openbsd isn't really for desktops [15:28] but then, i suppose i'm not typical desktop user? i mostyl just use terminals, and ion, pidgin, a web browser, pdf viewer [15:39] my desktop uses OSX :) [15:40] my desktop runs timber [15:40] with layers and layers of paper :) [15:43] are you merky of merky research? 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