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| nesta | hey all | [10:36] |
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| nesta | hey BeBoo_ :D | [11:25] |
| BeBoo_ | heya nesta | [11:25] |
| Sheath | hi | [11:25] |
| BeBoo_ | how ya been | [11:25] |
| nesta | doing good
about to make my dinner how you? | [11:25] |
| BeBoo_ | yum. whatcha havin | [11:25] |
| Sheath | dongs | [11:26] |
| BeBoo_ | just sittin at work, workin on some php stuffs | [11:26] |
| nesta | steak, mash celeriac, grilled flat cap mushrooms and bearnaise sauce | [11:26] |
| BeBoo_ | not sure what celeriac is but the rest sounds yummy | [11:26] |
| nesta | hi coil
hidey cat | [11:26] |
| Sheath | hi
sounds like a delicious dinner | [11:27] |
| nesta | yes its gonna be amazing
can't wait I might be looking forward to the wine even more tho lol hard day at work | [11:27] |
| Sheath | ugh alcohol
yeah im currently recovering from a pretty bad hangover myself | [11:28] |
| up_the_irons | yum | [11:28] |
| BeBoo_ | heya up_the_irons | [11:28] |
| up_the_irons | hey BeBoo_
brb | [11:28] |
| BeBoo_ | how are ya, sir? | [11:28] |
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| nesta | up_the_irons: if I want to request a OpenBSD to be put in the disc drive is there a charge?
I don't need you to install it as I can just do it meself bbiab | [11:29] |
| BeBoo_ | nesta: yes, labor.. :-P | [11:29] |
| nesta | hehe :P
trying to find how much he might charge for that task :) anyway bbiab tummy grumbling | [11:29] |
| Sheath | nesta i think he'll do that for free
just gotta email support and you might have to provide the iso url tho | [11:30] |
| jpalmer | nesta: we'll change the cd ISO. there is no charge. please send an email to support@ with your login name, your VPS UUID (available in your customer portal) and the link to the .iso file you want mounted. | [11:32] |
| up_the_irons | BeBoo_: i'm good, yourself?
nesta: no charge | [11:43] |
| BeBoo_ | up_the_irons: i'm great, thanks =
=] | [11:43] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmer: i've been reviewing your DNS tickets and I just wanted to say great job. You make my life easier :) | [11:44] |
| jpalmer | danke. just doing what I can ;) | [11:45] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [11:45] |
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| nesta | cool thanks | [11:56] |
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| vcs | ahhhh the joy of PF
making my life so much easier | [12:23] |
| Sheath | hehe | [12:23] |
| vcs | iptables could learn a thing or two from pf
understatement of the century | [12:23] |
| up_the_irons | pf is nice
although iptables with *ferm* is actually pretty nice. ferm takes out all the frustration and duplication. I think newer ferm's actually support pf too n/m, no pf support | [12:24] |
| jpalmer | the only problem I really have with iptables, is the horribly archaic syntax.
(rule syntax that is) it's certainly flexible and capable. but man, trying to remember what the switches all mean after looking at a pf ruleset.. pf reads like an english sentence. iptables reads like.. a horribly translated tech manual into english. | [12:30] |
| up_the_irons | haha | [12:32] |
| vcs | yeah
i mean i can read iptables and understand but writing it is another story also its much easier to make a cleaner pf ruleset and alot easier to add new things to it since you can use variables and such being able to do stuf like tcp_services="{21,22,80,113,443}" is just awesome and thats just the tip of the iceberg | [12:35] |
| up_the_irons | holy shit, we just hit 70 people in here. new record!
i wonder why it is growing now, when it stayed at about 55 for like a year | [12:42] |
| jpalmer | up_the_irons: I mention it all the time on linkedin.
anytime anyone asks about a vps. or colo. | [12:43] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmer: whoa cool!! | [12:43] |
| vcs | ive mentioned it to quite a few people
BSD + ipv6 usually instantly sells them | [12:45] |
| jpalmer | indeed. | [12:46] |
| up_the_irons | ah | [12:46] |
| jpalmer | if I could ever bear the childish bullshit on ##FreeBSD again.. I'd probably mention it more often.. but frankly.. the channel has grown to disgust me. | [12:47] |
| vcs | lol | [12:47] |
| jpalmer | I stepped down as a staffer after several years, because I couldn't deal with it anymore. it was bad enough that.. had I been the founder, I would have demoted almost all of the existing staff, and vigorously started kickbanning certain regulars who did nothing but berate and belittle newcomers. | [12:48] |
| fink | fink remembers being banned by teh jpalmer | [12:49] |
| vcs | elitism and OSS
we all had to stard somewhere start* | [12:49] |
| jpalmer | for a community that thinks they are so open minded.. I found it to be exactly the opposite. you mention just about any other OS in there (even another BSD) and instantly.. it was debate central. | [12:50] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [12:51] |
| jpalmer | anyway, enough knocking them. I tried to change things for 3 years before I stepped down. and realized, stepping down was the right move for me. I shouldn't badmouth them after-the-fact. | [12:51] |
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| crazed | where are the vps' located? | [13:58] |
| Sheath | los angles, ca
if i could only spell... | [13:58] |
| crazed | ah alright
that would explain the extra latency compared to my linode in newark, nj :) | [13:59] |
| up_the_irons | yup :)
crazed: you should share a traceroute; worth seeing the path it takes | [14:07] |
| crazed | sure
http://arpnetworks.pastebin.com/etiwXafc it never fully reaches my arpnetworks box, i have icmp blocked, i should allow it though | [14:13] |
| toddf | blocking icmp never makes any sense and only causes more harm than good. | [14:19] |
| fink | yea i hate it when people do that | [14:20] |
| up_the_irons | cool, tnx
datapipe, interesting | [14:23] |
| crazed | yeah i need to allow it
decided to block for whatever reason and don't want to kill my state table my pf rules are sort of botched rigth now also i'm at work, that's why it's coming from datapipe lol | [14:27] |
| G | up_the_irons: popularity reason? IPv6 & KVM are getting popular | [14:33] |
| crazed | <3 kvm | [14:34] |
| G | exactly | [14:34] |
| up_the_irons | G: yeah probably | [14:34] |
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| G | up_the_irons: even for just IPv6 VPS, ARP is one of the most mentioned | [14:41] |
| up_the_irons | G: o'rly? cool! | [14:41] |
| crazed | yeah
that's the main reason i switched from linode personally freebsd/zfs was a huge side bonus also more resources for the same price | [14:42] |
| G | up_the_irons: for instance: http://hosting.4or6.com/tutorial?l=en
personally, my criteria, was: Not OpenVZ, Not VMware, Not Some Other Virt Tech that I've never heard of, and IPv6 | [14:43] |
| up_the_irons | G: ah yeah, seen that.
G: hehe cool | [14:44] |
| crazed | up_the_irons: i have no idea how you got such good disk i/o with bsd and kvm, but i'm impressed | [14:44] |
| G | oh and they had to actually talk about IPv6 on their site | [14:44] |
| up_the_irons | crazed: :) | [14:45] |
| G | iirc the VMs are using virtio or somesuch right?
or is that only the Linux based ones | [14:45] |
| crazed | linux only has virtio
unless freebsd made drivers recently, but they would have to write them from scratch | [14:45] |
| up_the_irons | G: only linux supports virtio for disk
and also for network | [14:48] |
| crazed | block devices really | [14:49] |
| G | up_the_irons: actually Windows supports virtio now | [14:50] |
| up_the_irons | G: no shit? haha
maybe i should start offering Win VMs ;) | [14:50] |
| G | up_the_irons: Red Hat got the drivers for Windows certified mid-late-09 | [14:51] |
| up_the_irons | i wonder how the licensing on that works
G: cool | [14:51] |
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| G | up_the_irons: Win VM+SPICE would be interesting, but not for me ;0 | [14:52] |
| up_the_irons | G: i c | [14:52] |
| G | (instead of VNC that is) | [14:52] |
| up_the_irons | G: ah, yes, definitely interesting | [14:59] |
| G | up_the_irons: I have it on my home network for a couple of VMs, makes it nice when switching OS's it just works
(spice that is) | [15:00] |
| up_the_irons | G: nice | [15:00] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: unpleasantly, I would think (re: windows licensing) | [15:06] |
| G | and yeah, I agree | [15:06] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [15:06] |
| G | like it'd need at least half a gig of RAM just for the OS, then prices I've seen for Windows VMs have been like $15+/mo more | [15:08] |
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| up_the_irons | i c | [15:12] |
| Jareth | btw
up_the_irons thanks for the vps stable, fast, and linux/emu rox ;) | [15:14] |
| up_the_irons | Jareth: no problem, glad you like it! | [15:14] |
| nesta | :)
arp rox mt sox my* :P | [15:16] |
| Jareth | up_the_irons, if later I need more ipv4 it's possible or I have the max of allowed ip? | [15:16] |
| up_the_irons | Jareth: how many do you have now? | [15:17] |
| merky | i'm curious why people keep saying the disk performance is great, and i'm finding disk performance on the slower side?
is openbsd sucky with diskio on kvm | [15:17] |
| fink | yes | [15:17] |
| Jareth | up_the_irons I have buy a /28 I think
yeh 13 ip /28 | [15:17] |
| up_the_irons | Jareth: then you are at the limit
I may stop offering /28's in the future, b/c of exhaustion, or up the price | [15:18] |
| merky | oh actually if i write 20 mb it's quicker
gah oh well i don't care that much openbsd doesn't haev apt-get to chew through disk taking ages to install a small package | [15:20] |
| nesta | there is always FreeBSD :D
:P | [15:21] |
| merky | freebsd was real messy last time i looked at it
i suppose i should check it out sometime actualyl i think i did try to try it out sometime, and it didn't boot in virtualbox | [15:22] |
| nesta | its amazing | [15:23] |
| merky | how do you add a package? | [15:23] |
| nesta | I like OpenBSD too though
I use ports, just like OpenBSD | [15:23] |
| merky | oh, i don't use ports in oepnbsd | [15:23] |
| nesta | there is alwaso packages though | [15:23] |
| merky | i used to | [15:23] |
| nesta | also* | [15:24] |
| merky | but for things like iperf, mtr, zsh, vim etc
i don't really care about compiling my own version | [15:24] |
| nesta | well there is packages too like in OpenBSD | [15:24] |
| merky | last time i tried to use freebsd, people were saying to use cvsup and shit
and it was really complicated to get source and to compile your own kernel etc well actually it wasn't that bad | [15:24] |
| nesta | ugh | [15:25] |
| merky | but it was still kind of unstable | [15:25] |
| nesta | use 'csup' ints in base
no need to add anything its* | [15:25] |
| merky | i used freebsd in 2001 | [15:25] |
| nesta | bleh can't type | [15:25] |
| merky | it corrupted my hard-disk
but that was back in IDE days | [15:25] |
| nesta | ahh | [15:26] |
| merky | i think there was some problembecause i was using UDMA66
but it made me paranoid about it and when it corrupted data i went to openbsd straight away cos i first thought freebsd would be faster and better for a desktop and y'know what? openbsd was faster/easier as a desktop at least back in 2001 xterms seemed to load up quicker it was easier to set up X etc surprised me, cos people were always saying that openbsd isn't really for desktops but then, i suppose i'm not typical desktop user? i mostyl just use terminals, and ion, pidgin, a web browser, pdf viewer | [15:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | my desktop uses OSX :) | [15:39] |
| G | my desktop runs timber
with layers and layers of paper :) | [15:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | are you merky of merky research? | [15:43] |
| nesta | haha G | [15:50] |
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clear | [20:02] |
| mike-burns | You can configure that in your IRC client, probably. | [20:07] |
| crazed | i did
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