[00:18] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:20] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:39] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:39] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:54] To test if os is in the cdrom all i have to do is shutdown and reboot, correct? [01:56] or you could just mount the cdrom [01:56] well i need to boot off it to reinstall my os [01:58] because i tried halt -p and shutting down from the console [01:58] then booting it, but it boots off the previous os [04:08] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:15] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [05:59] *** zxvff has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:59] *** d^_^b has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:59] *** zxvff has joined #arpnetworks [06:02] *** LT has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [06:02] *** merky has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [06:03] *** merky has joined #arpnetworks [06:04] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [06:05] *** d^_^b has joined #arpnetworks [06:12] *** mjp_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:14] *** mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:19] ideas1 - you have to hit F12 on the console to select booting the cdrom [06:20] so get your VNC set up, and reboot, and you have about 10 seconds to hit f12 [06:20] or, you could destroy your boot blocks and reboot, but that's more dangerous. :) [06:21] and you're still gonna need the VNC console to do anything [06:27] *** HUBPub_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:29] *** HUBPub has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:36] ideas1? [06:36] * RandalSchwartz wonders if he saw that [07:28] *** HUBPub has joined #arpnetworks [07:30] *** HUBPub_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:03] *** bharatak has joined #arpnetworks [08:08] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:37] *** koan_ is now known as koan [09:14] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:28] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [09:40] up_the_irons - http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=AS:25795 [09:40] something to keep bookmarked. :) [09:52] *** vapor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:59] *** vapor has joined #arpnetworks [10:05] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3) [10:07] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [10:09] dumbish dns question - does your SOA need to be publicly accessible? i've got slaved zones and would like to secure my host as much as I can [10:09] the soa host is not listed as an NS [10:10] you should (may not be required) adjust your soa to be one of your publically accessable nameservers [10:11] most dns software has ways to propogate from non soa zone authorities by specifying an IP, so it should be a moot point what the soa is set to for your propogation purposes [10:11] the soa is my master dns server [10:12] i guess i can move that to point to one of the ns's [10:12] but the ns's slave from my box [10:12] thats the typical arrangement, pointing the soa at your host does not have any more of a target than the fact that it is a public accessable nameserver [10:12] if you're woried about soa pointing a target toward your system, you've got other things to worry about [10:13] guess so- i'll make it an ns [10:13] standard deployment and security should dictate you are not concerned about malicous behavior, attracting a DOS or DDOS tends to require a special kind of questionable behavior anyway, other than that, should not worry [10:13] point taken [10:13] * jpalmer has always questioned the whole "hidden master" concept, anyway [10:14] I've literally tried, and have never found a practical reason you'd want the master hidden. [10:15] yeah - there's really no reason - i was concerned about the additional bandwidth usage, but it's minimal so far anyway [10:19] *** cmeiklej0hn has joined #arpnetworks [10:19] *** cmeiklej0hn has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:22] hahaha http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=AS:15169 [10:26] heh - google is one of the biggest sources of malware! [10:27] at least their tools that detect it accurately point fingers at themsleves as well. hahaha. [10:30] that must be the source of the occasional hiccup where google tries to prevent you from going to google.com [10:30] I bet they have that hardcoded now [10:31] until the next new employee figures hardcoding is for wimps, lets make the logic right... ;-) [10:43] *** ideas1 has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) [10:49] jpalmer: we use a hidden master, but it's mostly for convenience [10:50] it's local, we make changes there, they propagate to our secondaries, which are in other geographical locations [10:50] those secondaries are the ones visible when you lookup our ns rr's [11:14] RandalSchwartz: whoa, nice :) [11:48] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [11:57] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [12:01] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [12:12] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:13] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [12:30] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:35] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [12:46] yeah, keep that on your bookmark bar. [13:18] http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2011-01-18-tarsnap-critical-security-bug.html - I know there's a couple of tarsnap users in here. [13:18] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:19] (The person who reported that bug, Taylor Campbell, was someone I taught introductory programming to ten years ago. He's come a long way!) [13:21] mike-burns: if you want to teach me an introductory programming class, I'm in [13:21] heh [13:52] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:01] lol [14:23] mike-burns, where do you teach? [14:52] mike-burns: that's kinda impressive, cperciva(l) knows his stuff... [14:55] huh, that's a good write up and mea culpa from him too. [16:17] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [16:39] *** ideas1 has joined #arpnetworks [16:40] Ok, After spending the last four days reading on freebsd I really love a few things... documentation is very well organized, pf is sweet, and it does boot up way faster. [16:41] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:44] yes, yes, drink the kool-aid =) [16:44] faster than what? [16:44] grandma [16:45] centos [16:45] lol [16:45] oh centos seems realyl slow to boot for some reason [16:45] i find openbsd kind of slow to boot [16:45] compared to ubuntu [16:45] but it's the kernel that's slow.. checking floppy drives etc.. seems like there are in built delays [16:45] linux 2.0.36 used to be slow to boot [16:46] linux 2.2 speed up boot heaps.. [16:46] annoying was the naming of the devices, eth0 vs em0 rh1 etc etc [16:46] why is that? [16:46] oh yeh eth0 etc is really annoying [16:47] linux is special you change kernels and your ethernet devices all reorder [16:47] 2.2 changed ethernet order compared to 2.0 [16:47] it's a long standing issue with linux [16:47] for some reason they thought it was sensible to bring up ethernet interfaces in the order the modules load [16:47] im going to be honest freebsd reminded me of high school and my days with slackware [16:48] which changes over time [16:48] linux has "new" fixes to it these days [16:48] they do all this shit in udev [16:48] but you change an ethernet interface .. just have 1 in a box [16:48] and it'll become eth1 [16:48] when the old one was eth0 [16:48] seriously, the eth0 way is broken [16:49] solaris/bsd/windows etc don't have generic ethernet device # [16:49] i ordered two books absolute bsd and the pf book both 2nd ed [16:49] acutally maybe windwos has a hoko for that [16:49] i haven' tuoched freebsd since ilke 2001 really [16:49] drive letters annoy me in windows [16:49] lol [16:49] i downloaded an iso recently, and it didn't boot in virtualbox [16:49] then i downloaded another one, can't remember where that got to [16:50] heh [16:50] drive letters in windows can be special just like linux [16:50] lol oh come on [16:50] oh, and linux has that horrible reordering of hard-disks [16:50] depending on module loading times too [16:50] my linux sense is tingling [16:50] used to be hell with a usb flash stick [16:50] i don'tknow, linux is fast and random [16:51] merky you recommend openbsd? [16:51] it's ilke the loose girl that you know is easy [16:51] but you don't know what's lingering inside [16:51] idk. [16:51] i use ubuntu, opensolaris, and openbsd. [16:51] root goodness [16:51] they all have their benefits / drawbacks. [16:51] i thought opensolaris is dead? [16:51] i find opensolaris the most confusing to be honest. [16:52] i don'tknow, it hasn't crashed on me since oracle boughtthem out [16:52] i tried it solaris 10 once and that was that [16:52] does that mean it's dead? [16:52] * jlgaddis pats the ultra 10 [16:52] solaris 10 doesn't even come with zfs unless you udpate it [16:52] openbsd runs on sparcs. [16:52] zfs works now? [16:52] on solaris 10 yeh [16:52] you do updates [16:53] it may not work on root [16:53] oh yeh, ufs sucks. [16:53] i like zfs. [16:53] all i ever use is fedora, rhel 5 and now 6 and centos, just tryung bsd [16:53] i haven't played with in freebsd [16:53] im confused about the roles in bsd's what makes open better than free [16:54] or why would i choose for apache server [16:54] nothing [16:54] plus theo's an asshole [16:54] theo? [16:54] the guy who runs openbsd [16:54] ohhh [16:55] i had a chat back and forth with the guy from tarsnap [16:55] security officer for freebsd [16:55] yeah, colin [16:55] gah [16:55] my car alternator's fucked [16:55] nice guy bad ass support [16:55] not charging ? [16:55] he's a geek [16:55] yeah not charging [16:55] i charged it overnight [16:56] so i cuold at least not tow it [16:56] you did check the battery right? [16:56] well it wouldn't jump star [16:56] are you in the us? [16:56] and even after charging overnight battery light stayed on [16:56] nah new zealand [16:56] japanese car [16:56] auto parts places here in usa tes the alternator for free [16:57] same here [16:57] generally [16:57] it could be the battery though because i had a funny issue where my motorcyle wouldturn of and on [16:57] it's still annoying [16:57] yeah it is [16:57] well thing is [16:57] last time [16:57] i jump started it they ran a test [16:57] and nothing was draining it [16:58] and the alternator was working fine [16:58] but i still had a flat battery [16:58] ran it for a while [16:58] and it was fine [16:58] then next time wanted to drive it woudln't sart [16:58] not even jump start [16:59] seems more like the battery not holding charge [16:59] do you have a battery tester? [16:59] manual or auto? [16:59] manual [16:59] have you tried push starting it? [17:00] nope [17:00] battery not holding charge would mean it would jump start [17:00] like [17:01] true [17:01] engine was conking out [17:01] as soon as other battery was disconnected [17:01] hope not [17:01] but hmm, [17:01] check all the contacts make sure they clean [17:01] i wonder if it's battery too [17:01] i dunno i took it to a mechanic [17:02] i wonder if it's draining randomly still though [17:02] thing is if it's alternator without battery draining [17:02] checked fuses? [17:02] oops if it's alternator why would the car stop workign? [17:02] anything blown? [17:02] after working [17:02] i dunno how to do that really [17:02] i'm a computer geek not an auto geek [17:02] i do software :/ [17:03] depends on the car some cars require more electrical power [17:03] it's a celica, i don't think they're common thre? [17:03] there [17:03] yeah i see them but not often [17:04] ahh [17:04] they have worse engines in the US on them though [17:04] yeah smog law [17:05] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/5th-Toyota-Celica.jpg [17:05] they are suppose to help but i think it might make them worse [17:05] looks kind of like that [17:05] lower performance [17:05] i dunno new cars are all higher performance :/ [17:05] moer efficient [17:05] yeah my current car 2008 has a super charger lol [17:05] i think 0-60mph is like 9 seconds [17:06] mine has 266 hp more like 5.9 [17:06] american love the hp [17:07] heh [17:07] 5.9 that'd be quite nice [17:07] yeah its nice but gas isnt [17:08] i get about 30miles per gallon but if i start stepping on pedal too much around 18 [17:09] Capacity 2.0 litres Normally Aspirated, Power 158 bhp @ 6600 rpm, Torque140 ftlb @ 2800 rpm, 0-60 7.9 seconds, Top Speed 137 mph, Fuel Economy 28.5 mpg, Fuel Capacity 60 litres, Wheel Size14" (205/60 Tyres) [17:09] that fuel economy is non-city [17:09] and i think that 0-60 time is on the ideal side [17:10] yeah [17:10] so your car is like over 50% more hp [17:11] thing is turbo only works above 3000 rpm if you get the turbo model [17:11] which means you have to drive at high revs if you want to make use of the turbo [17:11] turbo is a little diff then super charger [17:11] yaeh [17:11] how does super charger work [17:12] celicas are meant to be high revving anyway though.. 7.2k red line [17:12] but i still don't really push above 3000 revs that much [17:12] yeah most japanes cars like acura, honda and toyota make high compression engiens [17:13] well petrol engines in general rean't so great at low revs [17:14] do you guys have those german cars LEON [17:14] don't think so? [17:14] we have lots of bmws [17:14] esp where i live [17:14] apparently we have lost of skylines too [17:14] nissan that is [17:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Le%C3%B3n [17:15] and in other parts of the world they're not usually allwoed [17:15] cos too high performance stock [17:15] nah never see them [17:15] me either [17:15] *** Husky is now known as coil [17:16] lots of subaru's too [17:16] http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:UgceHKYfXjK1NM:http://www.subaru.smartcarreview.net/images/subaru-wrx.jpg&t=1 [17:16] like those things [17:16] suburu are nice especially the 4x4 [17:16] we hardly have any us cars [17:16] most subarus are 4x4 [17:17] err 4wd [17:17] lol [17:17] us cars eat a ton of gas [17:17] and they are huge [17:17] yeah [17:17] well your car doesn't? [17:17] is it US? [17:17] yeah [17:18] i think in general cars use less gas now [17:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whiteturbocobalt.png [17:18] i used to use quite a lot of gas [17:18] cos i reved a lot :/ [17:18] lol [17:18] i think it's gone down a bi [17:18] i'm worse when i haven't driven in a while :/ [17:19] it's like just want to get to the feeling [17:19] is yours white? [17:19] red [17:19] ahh [17:19] white is ugly on cars i reckon [17:19] well here in the us many goverment cars are white [17:20] not all but many [17:20] oh weird i still had that celica picture open it looks weird [17:20] it doesn't have a spoiler? [17:20] nope [17:20] i had that removed other wise its identical [17:20] it's weird when you find picutres on net [17:20] oh celica did't i mean [17:20] oh you had your spoiler removed, why? [17:21] it was too big [17:22] and it looks liek i want to have a racer car but dint quite make it [17:22] lol [17:22] haha [17:22] yaeh [17:22] my car loosk slightly racy [17:22] for a cheap car [17:22] but like it's not lowered, has standard wheels [17:22] once you take it off, it just looks like a sport sedan [17:23] no big bore exhaust [17:23] yeah but the suspension is super nice [17:23] no i hage big bore [17:23] the quiter the btter [17:23] heh [17:23] lol if i was 18 [17:23] you like big bore? [17:23] nope [17:23] oh you hate? [17:23] yes a lot, its annoying [17:23] they kind of rumble [17:24] yaeh [17:24] rrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [17:24] it's loud enough without [17:24] rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [17:24] see [17:24] heh [17:24] lol [17:24] do people all do hat pod filter thing there? [17:24] not sure what you mean [17:25] oh it's this weird air filter thing [17:25] that doesn't accomplish much [17:25] but looks wierd [17:25] ohhh cold air intakes [17:25] some do [17:25] mine came with it [17:25] and blow off valves [17:25] yeah [17:25] so you can hear hem changing gears a mile away [17:25] no, i get the speed not the sound [17:26] mine is from chevy not aftermarket [17:26] heh [17:26] you have a motorcycle? [17:27] nope [17:27] i'd like to one day [17:27] i have a small one [17:27] 800cc [17:28] does anyone know of a good dns host? [17:29] i used to host with zoneedit [17:29] but its starting to becoming a nightmore with there new "gui" [17:29] he.net? [17:29] for secondary? or primary? [17:29] primary [17:29] i just use dbdns [17:30] djbdns [17:30] which is a dns sever [17:30] server [17:30] low memory use [17:30] you just scp the database around [17:30] doesn't give you a gui [17:31] i was hoping to to host it but i think that may be the only solution [17:31] you just have lines like: =arp.meh.net.nz:174.136.111.234:300 [17:31] unless i want to pay 15.00 per domian [17:31] where last number is ttl [17:32] = means it does forward and reverse [17:32] not that reverse dns is sent to me or anything [17:32] i just set it as a default generally [17:32] + is forward only [17:32] i dunno i find it simple enough [17:32] seems simple enough [17:32] @meh.net.nz:202.49.71.57:a::180 [17:32] then that's how you do mail [17:33] where you can have a, b, c, etc to set precedence [17:33] err i'm not sure if that sets precendce acutally [17:33] i'm only running 1 mail [17:33] then nameservers are like: [17:33] .meh.net.nz:202.49.71.57:a:259200 [17:33] .meh.net.nz:202.36.174.57:b:259200 [17:33] etc etc [17:34] i have 7 on that domain at the moment [17:34] does it also handle ipv6 [17:34] ? [17:34] kind of [17:34] :ipv6.uk.meh.net.nz:28:\040\001\004\160\037\010\022\022\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\002:3600 [17:34] there's a record creator on the net [17:34] interesting [17:35] but yeah it's a bit annoying for ipv6 [17:35] ilke i can't read that [17:35] i thought it couldn't do ipv6 at first [17:35] ill have to read up on it [17:35] do you have more than one ip to host on though? [17:36] basically i just have an update script i rnu [17:36] which uses ssh keys and scp's data.cdb [17:36] http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html [17:36] that's the authors website [17:37] he gives his opinions freely [17:37] You don't have to set up two DNS servers. Your DNS servers don't have to be more highly replicated than your web servers, mail servers, etc. As an extreme, if you have just one computer for your web server, mail server, and DNS server, then setting up a second DNS server is silly. (Third-party DNS servers are almost always a bad idea.) However, if you're running a large site with many services, you should set up two DNS servers. [17:38] which kind of holds true [17:38] no use in having dns redundant if can't even access your web site / mail [17:38] yeah [17:38] but you usually need two name servers to get a domain setup these days [17:38] even if it's just two ips on the same box [17:39] some people use nsd too [17:39] i haven't checked it out myself, been using tinydns for 10 years [17:40] now on freebsd is it he same drill as in linux, firewalll, secure ssh, install configure apache,mysql, and php then run websites? [17:41] yaeh [17:41] i'm glad you're thinking of firewalling first :) [17:41] well that usually what i do first [17:42] freebsd has pf now [17:42] pf is cool :") [17:42] yeah i fell it love it [17:42] over iptables [17:42] heh [17:42] i like it how you can reload your config [17:42] and if there's an error it won't load anything [17:42] rather than running through al ist of iptables rulse [17:42] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: amdprophet) [17:42] and it has a problem executing one of them [17:43] and the syntax makes more sense [17:43] does freebsd have runlevel like linux? [17:43] not sure [17:43] you use runlevels? [17:43] yeah mainly when i am troubshooting [17:43] looks like multi/single [17:44] that's all [17:44] you can reboot it and depending on the runlevel some servceis wont boot up [17:44] single probably won't start services up [17:44] ok [17:44] seems straight forward [17:44] as it should be :) [17:44] im not going to lie i feel like a traitor for using freebsd [17:45] instead of openbsd? [17:45] linux lol [17:45] oh [17:45] no-one cares if you use linux or not [17:45] my buddies do lol [17:45] it's what distribution you use [17:45] just tell them it's another version of linux [17:45] but more free [17:46] haha [17:46] i dunno i had a buddy who used to think it was cool i used openbsd [17:46] but he wouldn't run it himself [17:46] coz blah. id on't even remember his reasoning [17:46] all my buddies are redhat guuys [17:46] heh [17:46] two of them are rhce [17:46]