#arpnetworks 2011-01-14,Fri

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up_the_irons	RandalSchwartz: this week was busy; I thought u might be in for another week? I never made it down to the data center	[01:35]
dxtr	Hey, up_the_irons!	[01:46]
up_the_irons	hey	[01:46]
dxtr	What's up?	[01:47]
coobra	up_the_irons: o/	[01:47]
up_the_irons	nothing setting up some orders actually	[01:47]
coobra	anyone in London here	[01:48]
bob^^	i'm in the UK coobra if that helps	[01:49]
coobra	bob^^: :D no not realy just wanted to know	[01:50]
bob^^	ahh :) i've got kit in london :)	[01:50]
dxtr	coobra: Sweden Doe that count? :P Does*	[01:51]
coobra	kit ?	[01:52]
bob^^	i suspect i'm nearer ;)	[01:52]
coobra	the robot "KIT"	[01:52]
bob^^	equipment coobra - servers/routers etc :)	[01:52]
coobra	:D ohhh gimmi	[01:52]
bob^^	no :)	[01:52]
coobra	dxtr: im from sweden im here on bett : http://www.bettshow.com/bett11/website/Home.aspx?refer=1	[01:53]
dxtr	wtf is bett?	[01:54]
coobra	schoole thingy	[01:54]
dxtr	Mkay Where in sweden are you from?	[01:55]
coobra	stockholm/Värmdö you ?	[01:55]
dxtr	Norrköping	[01:55]
coobra	cool	[01:55]
dxtr	Immensely :) My girlfriend is going to londong on the 19th though :P err London	[01:56]
coobra	cool	[01:58]
bob^^	london is great	[01:58]
coobra	i will be admin ower the wifi + local webdev servers @work :D junior mini admin :D	[01:58]
dxtr	bob^^: In fact I think the entire UK looks like hell on eartyh earth* So I will probably never go there	[01:59]
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dxtr	Especially London	[01:59]
bob^^	really?	[02:00]
ideas1	hey everyone	[02:00]
bob^^	man :(	[02:00]
dxtr	Yeah	[02:00]
bob^^	you've been looking at the wrong parts	[02:00]
dxtr	Mainly the personal integrity I don't want cameras at me wherever I go ./	[02:00]
coobra	well	[02:01]
dxtr	cameras looking at me*	[02:01]
ideas1	does anyone know if I can run centos with arpsnetwork?	[02:01]
dxtr	ideas1: Should be possibe possible* Gah. Morning typos	[02:01]
coobra	i think its debian/ubntu ?	[02:01]
bob^^	dxtr: don't believe everything you read :)	[02:02]
dxtr	ideas1: Did you try googling?	[02:02]
coobra	not centos but i think it will be no probs	[02:02]
bob^^	london might be like that, but the rest of the country isn't	[02:02]
ideas1	yeah i googled it but nothing with this particular vps provider	[02:02]
dxtr	bob^^: The rest of the country is rain and forests to me	[02:02]
ideas1	i cant find reviews or anything	[02:02]
dxtr	ideas1: try googling: centos km err centos kvm	[02:04]
bob^^	dxtr: go look at Edinburgh :)	[02:04]
ideas1	derp derp sorry	[02:04]
bob^^	but yes, we have lots of rain - not much forest, just lots of countryside and nice little towns and villages :D	[02:04]
dxtr	bob^^: Unfortunately I prefer civilization :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Edinburgh_from_Scott_Monument.jpg <- It looks green... And gray	[02:05]
ideas1	wow that beautiful thats*	[02:06]
dxtr	Doesn't look very modern	[02:07]
bob^^	it's one of the most beautiful cities in the world :) it's not modern dude, that's the point!	[02:07]
dxtr	I don't see it, ut sure but*	[02:07]
bob^^	it's all at least 200 years old i guess	[02:07]
dxtr	Why don't they blow it up and start over? 200 years is quite old I like it modern. Think central Tokyo or Seoul	[02:07]
ideas1	and lose all the architectural beauty i live in california and all those buildings look like boxes	[02:09]
bob^^	exactly i like modern too - but not all the time	[02:09]
dxtr	I don't see the "architectural beauty" in old crap anyway. I throw away things when they beome too old become	[02:09]
ideas1	lol	[02:10]
bob^^	:(	[02:10]
dxtr	It's gray and dull	[02:10]
ideas1	lol	[02:10]
bob^^	you should open your mind :)	[02:10]
ideas1	you should, i wish more things had history and told a story everything looks like boxes here :(	[02:11]
dxtr	I did. That's when I realized I prefer functionality before age	[02:11]
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bob^^	i drink in a bar (well, pub) that's over 500 years old american tourists come in	[02:12]
ideas1	can you get corona over there?	[02:12]
bob^^	it's fun to point out the bar is older than the US :) yup i like corona :)	[02:12]
ideas1	mexican beers are good, any english beers you recommend?	[02:12]
dxtr	It's a hell to maintain old buildings (Been there, done that), they look boring and usually you don't get the functionality you get with modern building buildings	[02:12]
bob^^	yeah ideas1 - have you had proper beer or just lager (like corona) ? (this sort of beer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cask_ale )	[02:13]
dxtr	And if you dare to modernize an old building you'll get the rage from old people	[02:13]
ideas1	both we have a ton of local breweries aka micro breweries	[02:14]
bob^^	mmm, micro breweries :D my favourite british beer is Purity UBU (http://www.puritybrewing.com/) - they are my local brewery	[02:14]
ideas1	i even watch soccer lol	[02:14]
bob^^	american beer - i love sierra nevada pale ale :) actually, you guys have a lot of very nice good beer	[02:15]
ideas1	sierra nevada isnt bad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Brown_Ale	[02:15]
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bob^^	that's known here as 'newcky brown' it used to be nice - but now it is brewed by another company, and is not very good :(	[02:16]
ideas1	pronounced "noo-key"?	[02:17]
bob^^	yup :)	[02:17]
ideas1	nice lol im calling it that from now on here	[02:17]
bob^^	:D	[02:17]
ideas1	ill act like i knew that all along lol	[02:18]
bob^^	hahaha - it might even say it on the back of the bottle at one point they changed the label here so it said that :)	[02:18]
ideas1	ohhh you didnt know it was called newky brown, rookie!?!	[02:18]
bob^^	because no one calls it by the full name hehe :D	[02:18]
dxtr	Hmm My sleeping girlfriend have rotated 90 degrees in the bed That's quite impressive	[02:18]
bob^^	sleeping?! it's 10:25! ;)	[02:19]
ideas1	do you guys get these http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=fSQwTejROYS8sAPLmbSsBQ&ved=0CDMQvwUoAQ&q=corona+familiar&spell=1&biw=1680&bih=914	[02:19]
bob^^	ooo, no, we don't	[02:20]
dxtr	bob^^: Yeah, she's been sleeping for three hours :p	[02:20]
ideas1	940ml of beer in one bottle	[02:20]
dxtr	Okay, more like four	[02:20]
bob^^	we just get these: http://www.crackedkettle.com/store/images/corona.jpg :D	[02:20]
ideas1	lol those are tiny	[02:20]
bob^^	you do get some beers here in 1l bottles, but not too many most of our beer comes as a pint - 568ml or those sort of bottle, about 330ml :/	[02:20]
ideas1	cheap beers come in huge sizes here, but good bears caps at about 940	[02:21]
bob^^	bottles of good beer here are 500ml which is really annoying	[02:21]
ideas1	lol too big?	[02:22]
bob^^	as you pour it into a pint (568ml) glass and it doesn't fill it... sigh	[02:22]
ideas1	haha sooo how was the moral about the english soccer team?	[02:22]
bob^^	getting really expensive to drink here as well	[02:22]
ideas1	did you guys fire your technical director?	[02:22]
dxtr	bob^^: That's why you've got 50cl glass	[02:22]
bob^^	dxtr: PINT!	[02:22]
dxtr	Half a litre?	[02:23]
bob^^	ideas1: i'm afraid i have no idea - i don't follow soccer/football at all :( i'm a motorsport and rugby guy :)	[02:23]
ideas1	cars or bikes?	[02:23]
bob^^	pint = 568ml.. and we are very protective over our pint :) cars ideas1 :D single seaters mostly - f1, gp2 etc	[02:23]
ideas1	nice	[02:23]
dxtr	Half a litre = 50cl.. And we are very protective over our standardized metric system	[02:23]
bob^^	a pint: http://www.darlocamra.org.uk/PintOnBar.jpg stupid europeans ;)	[02:23]
ideas1	lol are you guys freebsd users?	[02:24]
dxtr	Yep	[02:24]
bob^^	here in the UK we are quite 'traditional' over weights and measures yeah it's still entirely normal here for everything to be inches, feet, yards and miles and to buy fruit/vegetables by the ounce or pound and beer by the pint	[02:24]
dxtr	bob^^: I hate when I watch TV shows from the UK and they weigh stuff in "stone". I'm like "Can't two stones weigh differently?"	[02:25]
bob^^	even though none of those are allowed in europe :D haha :D stone = 14 pounds	[02:25]
dxtr	And wtf is a pound? Isn't that a currency?	[02:25]
bob^^	pound = 454g easy :D	[02:25]
dxtr	Ridiculous	[02:25]
ideas1	yeah that stone thing caught me off guard when i was watching some cage fights... 13 stones i was like stones of what i was expecting kilos	[02:25]
bob^^	i'm sure ideas1 will agree that the pound is a very good measure for weight :)	[02:26]
ideas1	no its stupid	[02:26]
bob^^	google calculator to the rescue :D	[02:26]
ideas1	kilos	[02:26]
dxtr	What's wrong with kilos?	[02:26]
bob^^	for science, sure	[02:26]
ideas1	i like kilos	[02:26]
bob^^	just doesn't fit for us here	[02:26]
dxtr	Why not?	[02:26]
bob^^	tradition i guess	[02:26]
ideas1	its easy vs 16oz in 1 pound etc	[02:26]
dxtr	Wtf is oz? Isn't that a TV show?	[02:26]
ideas1	see waht i mean	[02:26]
bob^^	i would have nfi how heavy the average person is in kg, but i know in stone oz = ounce :D	[02:26]
dxtr	My girlfriend got OZ tattoed on her chest tattooed*	[02:27]
ideas1	1 ounces = 28.3495231 grams	[02:27]
bob^^	i guess one thing about the UK is that we... like to be different :)	[02:27]
ideas1	lol	[02:27]
dxtr	bob^^: Also who cares how heavy the average person is? :P	[02:27]
bob^^	:D	[02:27]
dxtr	I'm 55kg o	[02:27]
bob^^	bob^^ shrugs 14 stone :D	[02:27]
dxtr	It could be more like 20 stone though Depending on how much the stones weigh	[02:28]
bob^^	lol	[02:28]
ideas1	im 13.2142857 stone i had to convert it in google lol	[02:28]
dxtr	Are we talking gravel or mountains?	[02:28]
bob^^	:D	[02:28]
ideas1	:)	[02:28]
dxtr	ideas1: YOu're around my weight then, if we use the same stones [02:29] <dxtr> o	[02:29]
ideas1	185lbs	[02:29]
dxtr	lbs?	[02:29]
ideas1	83kg	[02:29]
dxtr	Oh nevermind then bob^^ confused me :P I thought he weighed my 55kg in stones	[02:30]
bob^^	:(	[02:30]
dxtr	Another thing that bothers me is measuring stuff in feet I mean, feet are of different sizes	[02:31]
ideas1	yeah feet is a nightmare....12inchs in a foot lol	[02:31]
dxtr	Also inch bothers me	[02:31]
ideas1	3 feet in a yeard yard etc etc etc nightmare	[02:31]
bob^^	imperial measurements are easy :D	[02:31]
dxtr	They're retarded	[02:31]
ideas1	yes	[02:31]
dxtr	When people give me those measurement I automatically say "yes"	[02:32]
ideas1	why do freebsd guys get all mad at the linux guys?	[02:32]
bob^^	we do? :(	[02:32]
dxtr	Because the Linux guys thinks they know stuff while the FreeBSD guys actually knows stuff :p	[02:32]
bob^^	that's probably true	[02:32]
ideas1	HAHAHAHA im feelings are hurt	[02:32]
bob^^	you get a lot of people these days who think they're UNIX GODS because they've installed ubuntu	[02:33]
ideas1	i hate ubuntu	[02:33]
dxtr	I actually like Ubuntu	[02:33]
bob^^	ubuntu is pretty good i think	[02:33]
dxtr	Didn't like it a couple of versions ago. Now it's pretty good	[02:33]
bob^^	for desktops, ideal for servers, use freebsd :)	[02:33]
dxtr	I'm gonna try PC-BSD someday Never tried it Parallels to the rescue!	[02:34]
ideas1	i use linux all day at work, but i do want to try freebsd for a webhosting	[02:34]
dxtr	freebsd jails <3	[02:34]
ideas1	is jails like suphp?	[02:34]
dxtr	uhm, no https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/FreeBSD_jail	[02:35]
bob^^	jails are brilliant	[02:35]
ideas1	:O what the FUCK!!!! THAT IS GENIUS	[02:35]
bob^^	freebsd has had that for at least 10 years it's why us freebsd guys are so smug :)	[02:36]
dxtr	10 years <3	[02:36]
ideas1	so i could create a sandbox for each user?	[02:36]
dxtr	Yeah	[02:36]
bob^^	basically, yup or each service you run or whatever you want, really :D	[02:37]
dxtr	I think I should go buy some cigarettes	[02:38]
ideas1	son of a bitch	[02:38]
dxtr	Huh? :(	[02:38]
ideas1	expression not calling anyone names thats a pretty impressive feature	[02:39]
dxtr	Yes it is I have fapped numerous times to that feature In fact my ex dumped me because I had an affair with jails	[02:40]
ideas1	haha thats love an passion right there	[02:40]
dxtr	Yeah But I found a new girlfriend who likes me for who I am and says it's okay that I sometimes get passionate with jails	[02:41]
ideas1	lol i dont blame you	[02:42]
dxtr	Also she said that it's okay, and in fact pushes me, to be passionate with my male friends. That is kind of awkward when I think about it	[02:42]
ideas1	lol its only gay if you make eye contact	[02:42]
dxtr	That's what she says But she's bi so she'll never understand	[02:43]
bob^^	it's only gay if you push back	[02:43]
ideas1	whats the best freebsd version to start with, i want to do some test	[02:43]
dxtr	ideas1: The latest?	[02:43]
bob^^	8	[02:43]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons thinks he should start making CentOS base templates	[02:44]
bob^^	well, it's 8.1-RELEASE atm	[02:44]
ideas1	i have my rhce test coming up maybe this will help lol	[02:44]
bob^^	grab that, then update it using freebsd-update	[02:44]
up_the_irons	ideas1: you can run cent, but you have to do the install yourself: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os	[02:45]
ideas1	sounds good, i do want to try bsd but ill be honest ill be a bit scared lol	[02:45]
dxtr	ports <3	[02:46]
ideas1	i ventured into solaris one time and came back running so ssh and iptables that all the same stuff? init scripts same basic idea?	[02:46]
dxtr	no iptables	[02:47]
ideas1	:S whats the freebsd firewall	[02:48]
dxtr	ipfw or pf	[02:48]
ideas1	googling	[02:48]
dxtr	If you come from openbsd pf is sweet. Otherwise I've gotten the feeling ipfw is recommended. But that's just a feeling and not an expert opinion :P	[02:48]
ideas1	IPFW seems easy but your right lots of pf vs ipfw discussion kinda reminds me of ufw in ubuntu	[02:49]
dxtr	Well, I never touch iptables It's crap that shouldn't have been created in the first place You know a firewall is crap when you need special tools to manage it	[02:50]
bob^^	ipfw is good - but pf is what you should use now if you get a box up ideas1 , do 'man hier' when you first log in it explains the system hierarchy very well - where you can find scripts, where things are installed etc http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hier&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE&format=html	[02:53]
ideas1	whats the default shell	[02:54]
bob^^	sh	[02:54]
ideas1	bash?	[02:55]
bob^^	no sh	[02:55]
ideas1	like the OG shell	[02:55]
bob^^	though during install you can adjust that - csh comes with it	[02:55]
dxtr	Rookies... Aren't they cute? :D	[02:55]
bob^^	(it's csh but a bit more like tcsh really) you can install bash if you want to	[02:55]
dxtr	I prefer zsh	[02:55]
ideas1	well i have a bunch of backup shell scripts	[02:55]
bob^^	the advice is to leave sh (or csh) as the root shell though	[02:55]
ideas1	that id hate to lose lol	[02:56]
bob^^	as any installed shell won't be mountable if something goes wrong with the filesystem i use csh but i can still run bash scripts :)	[02:56]
ideas1	cron and all that also works?	[02:56]
bob^^	yes :)	[02:57]
dxtr	cron isn't a part of bash though	[02:57]
ideas1	yeah i know	[02:57]
dxtr	bob^^: Isn't csh pretty... lightweight? I remember I smash my keyboard everytime I'm forced to use it	[02:57]
bob^^	does everything i want with a bit of tweaking in .cshrc i find bash frustrating	[02:57]
dxtr	How do you enable tab completion and stuff in it?	[02:58]
bob^^	uh, it just does it	[02:58]
dxtr	It does?	[02:58]
bob^^	yup	[02:58]
dxtr	So what is it that I always smash my keyboard for? :P	[02:58]
bob^^	not a clue	[02:58]
ideas1	http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-FreeBSD-Complete-Guide-2nd/dp/1593271514/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295003013&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Building-Server-FreeBSD-Bryan-Hong/dp/159327145X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1295003066&sr=8-3	[02:58]
bob^^	it does tab complete, command repetition, history etc everything you need really	[02:58]
dxtr	I might try it out then :D	[02:59]
bob^^	if it's in linux, it's probably also in freebsd - freebsd is a lot more closely related to a 'proper' unix	[02:59]
dxtr	Will have to port my .zshrc though	[02:59]
bob^^	the differences you find are likely to be that linux is a SysV style system (semaphores, runlevels etc) and BSD doesn't have that but then these days linux tends to hide that stuff anyways so shrug oh, ideas1... another feature you might like if you want to run software that only works on linux then freebsd can emulate linux and run linux binaries (sometimes faster than they actually run on a proper linux box, too) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Linux_compatibility	[03:00]
ideas1	nice i only really use linux for server for example i have a few www.kerio.com servers	[03:01]
bob^^	however 99% of stuff you probably run on linux can be built on freebsd (or exists as a package) that won't need emulation :)	[03:01]
ideas1	kerio connect runing on RHEL 5 (with subscription servers)	[03:01]
bob^^	this is worth a read too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_Ports ports are one of the biggest 'cool features' of freebsd	[03:02]
dxtr	bob^^: So what's the difference between cshrc and tcshrc? Just curious :)	[03:02]
bob^^	one's for csh and the other for tcsh? :) iirc tcsh also reads .cshrc when you log in i tend to just use the standard csh that comes with freebsd, and my own .cshrc	[03:03]
dxtr	Aw man Ofcourse I mean csh an tcsh Silly me :p	[03:03]
ideas1	the difference between free and open? is the paranoid level?	[03:04]
bob^^	freebsd's licence is very different to that of a linux distro	[03:04]
dxtr	ideas1: Free = Do whatever you want with it, open = view the source Kind of	[03:04]
bob^^	with a BSD licence you can take the code, adjust it, even sell it commercially as part of another product without returning anything to the project with GPL, you can't commercially sell it without providing source, etc, and changes have to be commited back to the original project etc etc this is why parts of FreeBSD can be found inside Windows and Mac *Mac OSX not sure how true it is these days, but back in Win2000 the IP stack was lifted straight from FreeBSD then modified slightly (nmap used to detect Windows 2000 as FreeBSD)	[03:04]
dxtr	Haha :D	[03:06]
coobra	:D	[03:06]
dxtr	I think they created they have their own IP stack nowadays Err I think they have their own*	[03:06]
bob^^	i think it's nslookup and ftp in windows (even current windows) that are lifted from freebsd too	[03:06]
dxtr	I blame my bad writing on lack of sleep	[03:07]
bob^^	:)	[03:07]
ideas1	ports just gets teh source? then you compile and install?	[03:09]
dxtr	No it gets teh source and compiles and installs	[03:09]
bob^^	cd /usr/ports/www/apache && make install that will download the source, compile and install	[03:09]
dxtr	YOu can do a bunch of cool stuff with ports	[03:09]
bob^^	or if you're feeling lazy and don't need to tweak any build knobs, you can just do pkg_add -r <port name>	[03:10]
ideas1	seems very similar to gentoos portage	[03:10]
dxtr	Yeah, that's because gentoos portage is kind of a rip-off	[03:10]
bob^^	gentoo stole the idea from freebsd, so yup :)	[03:10]
ideas1	ahh i may have to get two vps one to play with freebsd and one for centos	[03:10]
bob^^	:D a convert! :D	[03:11]
ideas1	ill give it a shot lol	[03:11]
bob^^	you'll like it and we're here to help :)	[03:12]
ideas1	i would be scared to go live with it since i dont feel i know enough ok let me sign up	[03:12]
bob^^	there's #freebsd over on QuakeNet if you need anything too	[03:12]
ideas1	well as long as they dont chew my head off lol	[03:12]
bob^^	freebsd community tends to be pretty friendly nah, you'll be fine - i'm an op over there :)	[03:13]
ideas1	:) why is there a limit of only 1vps per customer?	[03:13]
bob^^	is there? :(	[03:14]
dxtr	ideas1: No it isn't ?	[03:14]
ideas1	For new orders only, limit 1 per customer Special also applies for any Linux distro we offer	[03:14]
bob^^	ah :( must be running low on slots :(	[03:15]
ideas1	well that throws a monkey wrench in my plan	[03:15]
bob^^	well	[03:15]
ideas1	linode isnt freebsd friendly lol	[03:15]
bob^^	you could head over to amazon ec2 and register for their free thing freebsd 9 has just become available on amazon ec2, but it's not guaranteed for production use yet and it won't be quite as easy to set up	[03:16]
dxtr	try rootbsd	[03:17]
bob^^	you could always ask up_the_irons - he might make an exception?	[03:17]
dxtr	ideas1: But ask up_the_irons. Perhaps it's just one NEW order per customer+< ? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_fictional_raccoons	[03:17]
up_the_irons	ideas1: no, you can order 10, i don't care ;)	[03:18]
ideas1	Please credit the sale to <dxtr> and <bob^^>. just placed the order	[03:18]
up_the_irons	yep, my phone just buzzed dxtr: bob^^ : thank you guys :)	[03:18]
bob^^	:)	[03:19]
dxtr	up_the_irons o	[03:19]
ideas1	so i can order a freebsd one and a centos one right?	[03:19]
bob^^	yup	[03:19]
dxtr	up_the_irons: From now on you'll be my sexual advisor	[03:19]
bob^^	!	[03:19]
dxtr	You owe it to me	[03:19]
up_the_irons	ideas1: yup	[03:20]
ideas1	damn dxtr is demanding	[03:20]
up_the_irons	srsly	[03:20]
dxtr	Imagine that resume "Code slave, sysadmin and sexual advisor"	[03:21]
bob^^	lol	[03:21]
dxtr	THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!	[03:21]
bob^^	anyway, time for me to go grab some lunch, back later :)	[03:22]
dxtr	Then I'll go buy my delicious cigarettes	[03:22]
ideas1	lol thanks for all the rookie help guys	[03:22]
dxtr	ideas1: Hey, I'll be back in 15 minutes or so :P	[03:23]
ideas1	soudns good	[03:24]
	good night guys 330am here	[03:34]
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merky	do other people see just one cpu, or is it just me?	[04:19]
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RandalSchwartz	it's just one virtual cpu, yes	[05:34]
merky	oh it sounded like it was more than one on website Multiple CPUs (SMP) supported	[05:45]
RandalSchwartz	for the VPS? not in the existing plans	[05:46]
merky	is that some kvm issue?	[05:46]
RandalSchwartz	no, just a sales issue :)	[05:46]
merky	like it can't fair queue oh hmm	[05:46]
RandalSchwartz	I imagine you could negotiate a different deal	[05:46]
merky	so they're all liek that? i don't really know how much it bothers me	[05:47]
RandalSchwartz	where do you see "multiple cpus (smp) supported" on http://arpnetworks.com/vps ? oh.	[05:47]
merky	like i don't think i'm liekly to need that much cpu or anything	[05:47]
RandalSchwartz	right... in the rihgt column	[05:47]
merky	yaeh	[05:47]
RandalSchwartz	yeah, you could probably get it for more money but all the plans on the left are single cpu	[05:47]
merky	it says all vps's include! sigh at least it seems ok performance	[05:48]
RandalSchwartz	well, they don't get an A for english, then. :) keep in mind, your IO is all virtual	[05:48]
merky	it seems about same speed as poweredge 1750	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	so while on a dedicated box, you'd want a second cpu to handle interrupt stuff	[05:49]
merky	which are old school p4 liek xeons	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	you don't need that here, since that happens "off" your box	[05:49]
merky	interrupt stuff?	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	IO	[05:49]
merky	oh i haven't even really checked disk performance	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	dma, interrupt handling, etc	[05:49]
merky	it seems ok	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	some here have said "how do they get the virtual disk so fast" I haven't compared. seems fast 'nuff. :)	[05:50]
merky	oh real?	[05:50]
RandalSchwartz	yeah	[05:50]
merky	i've got a few vps's, and a few hardware things at work and doign opensolaris/xen at work too and different hardware can vary with disk speeds a lot thing i've found is most noticable is when there's battery backed write cache thing is with that though is as soon as you write too much it's still slow and mostly you notice it extracting tar balls etc it just finishes quicker but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to give really good disk performance. just noticably good. i'm assuing it's just fast disks in raid 10 without too many users? and with spare ram for disk caching what's a way to check disk speed anyway? without doing something long like bonnie 314572800 bytes transferred in 13.229 secs (23778312 bytes/sec) that's dd if=/dev/zero of=testzero bs=1024k count=300 23 megs/sec 314572800 bytes transferred in 5.154 secs (61025787 bytes/sec) that's a poweredge 1850 with raid 1 on old scsi disks so it's not amazing? but as long as it doesn't get to 1/100th that speed all is good :) 314572800 bytes transferred in 4.131 secs (76142619 bytes/sec) and that's one with battery backed write cache	[05:50]
RandalSchwartz	sorry, getting ready for work here wandered away :) still need to be concentrating on that	[06:03]
merky	heh	[06:03]
RandalSchwartz	but I'll be around all day, off and on	[06:03]
merky	it's like 3 am here :) haha that's what i'm like	[06:03]
RandalSchwartz	I've had 4 VPS here (various sizes) for a year	[06:04]
merky	oh wow	[06:04]
RandalSchwartz	still very happy	[06:04]
merky	well i'm glad to finally be able to run openbsd :)0 :)	[06:04]
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merky	random, i ran it again and it was faster.	[06:07]
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jpalmer	jlgaddis: yes, www.ipv6.facebook.com is, but that isn't their main URL. www.facebook.com (and facebook.com) is. thats what June 8th (world IPv6 day) is about. jlgaddis: facebook, google, yahoo, and a few other big players will add AAAA records to their MAIN URL's for a minimum of 24 hours, as a test.	[06:42]
merky	hocool i can't resolve that what	[06:48]
RandalSchwartz	according to something I saw recently on he.net, you can actually get a faster net experience (a bit) by using ipv6 presuming you're not tunneled to start with	[06:52]
merky	yeah well i can get better speeds with their tunnel actually that reminds me i was going to test taht betwen two end points i jumped frmo 1.6 to 4.6 mb/sec or something	[06:52]
RandalSchwartz	I like how I can have five tunnels I have one that terminates in LA and another in London	[06:53]
merky	megabytes that is	[06:53]
RandalSchwartz	the london one is handy for watching iplayer :)	[06:53]
merky	i am using all 5 of mine up i have three that terminate in LA and one that terminates in london and the other one ic an't remember where it is won't that need ipv4? i've got a xen vps in the uk oh i have 4 in LA now i want more :( or more people to support ipv6 2051k average, versus 1701k average it's faster... gah it's still skipping	[06:53]
RandalSchwartz	time to wander off to work	[06:58]
merky	work hard :/	[06:58]
RandalSchwartz	although, you won't notice here... since it'll just mean I'm quiet for a few minutes. :)	[06:58]
merky	heh that's my trick!	[06:59]
RandalSchwartz	Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> emacs -> irc.el	[06:59]
merky	tried tmux?	[06:59]
RandalSchwartz	the magic is in the "screen" tried yes.	[06:59]
merky	it's like screen but better didn't like it?	[06:59]
RandalSchwartz	it was missing a few common features for me can't remember what they might be there now	[06:59]
merky	i hardly use any features	[06:59]
RandalSchwartz	yeah, in that case, you might be satisfied easier than I was	[07:00]
bob^^	is tmux in base on freebsd yet?	[07:00]
merky	just multiple windows and attach/detach	[07:00]
bob^^	i know they were tryin to add it *trying	[07:00]
RandalSchwartz	tmux is a port	[07:00]
merky	not sure, i know it's in base in openbsd	[07:00]
RandalSchwartz	I doubt it'll ever be a base	[07:00]
merky	shift to openbsd :/	[07:00]
RandalSchwartz	did openbsd for four years very happy to have moved to freebsd	[07:00]
merky	haha	[07:00]
RandalSchwartz	freebsd = zfs-on-root + pf + huge ports catalog openbsd, not so much	[07:01]
bob^^	http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-September/011762.html looks like it might appear eventually	[07:01]
RandalSchwartz	just theo's paranoi	[07:01]
merky	yaeh,	[07:01]
RandalSchwartz	paranoia	[07:01]
merky	zfs is cool	[07:01]
RandalSchwartz	I have four boxes all with zfs for /	[07:01]
merky	it's why i'm doing opensolaris/xen	[07:01]
RandalSchwartz	no ufs at all I tried opensolaris but with the legal uncertainty, it's a mess now	[07:01]
merky	i hate opensolaris	[07:01]
RandalSchwartz	oracle is ruining everything sun stood for	[07:01]
merky	yeah well we're already using it	[07:02]
bob^^	it's very sad :(	[07:02]
merky	i know :(	[07:02]
RandalSchwartz	I had an amazon ec2 instance for six months on opensol moved that here as soon as I discovered ARP	[07:02]
merky	oh you're running opensolaris on arp?	[07:02]
RandalSchwartz	no - I ported back to freebsd it was openbsd -> opensol -> freebsd	[07:02]
merky	ahh i can't stand opensolaris but... it hasn't really given many issues	[07:03]
RandalSchwartz	the management stuff is interesting powerful, but arcane	[07:03]
merky	and as a virtualisation platform i haven't foudnanything better	[07:03]
RandalSchwartz	I find freebsd's rc.d files to be much more to my liking	[07:03]
merky	vmware esx... linux vserver... openvz... none of them sounding that exciting never tried kvm properly, i tried it on desktop and it wouldn't go i think it crashed my computer or just didn't work then i tried virtualbox for the same thing, and it went :/ virtualbox is terrible for cpu idle i think from memory	[07:04]
RandalSchwartz	RandalSchwartz wanders off	[07:05]
merky	bob did you ever use opensolaris?	[07:08]
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bob^^	nah i've used proper solaris though (solaris 9 and 10) (actually, 8, 9 and 10!)	[07:10]
merky	ahh i've used solaris 7	[07:11]
bob^^	i guess it's not too different	[07:11]
merky	it's all dirty	[07:11]
bob^^	i quite liked solaris <3 CDE :)	[07:11]
merky	haha	[07:12]
bob^^	used to run it on my sun ultra30 :D	[07:12]
merky	when i'm "working" i use ion otherwise i've been using windows heh	[07:12]
bob^^	yeah tbh i've gone back to using windows on my work machines :(	[07:12]
merky	i have some really shitty sparc somewhere it was really slow	[07:12]
bob^^	i'd love to get a decent mac	[07:12]
merky	ssh key generation was noticably like delayed	[07:12]
bob^^	hehe yeah the u30 wasn't exactly fast :)	[07:12]
merky	and it's frame buffer was omg-slow	[07:13]
bob^^	i remember putting openbsd on it and trying to build X it took over a week	[07:13]
merky	i put openbsd on mine i didn't compile on it though i think	[07:13]
bob^^	tbh, i can't remember if i let it finish	[07:13]
merky	it didn't have much ram as well	[07:13]
bob^^	i think i got bored and re-installed slowlaris	[07:13]
merky	heh slowaris really is slow	[07:13]
bob^^	mine had 512mb iirc - and quite a big scsi disk still.. i had 64bit before everyone else :D	[07:14]
merky	512mb is lots aren't all sparcs 64 bit?	[07:14]
bob^^	for the u30, it was really nicely specc'd had a creator3d in it too yeah merky, i think so :)	[07:14]
merky	i stuck openbsd on some 1u sparc too i can't remember what kind	[07:14]
bob^^	sparc is nice we had a box on trial from sun a couple of years ago T2000 iirc it was beatiful and had 64 sparc procs in it iirc and 64gb of ram or something stupid	[07:15]
merky	heh	[07:15]
bob^^	and 8 little SAS disks in the front	[07:16]
merky	it makes a lot less sense now	[07:16]
bob^^	such nice hardware - all brushed aluminium	[07:16]
merky	but a while back pc rackmount hardware was real lame well actually pc server hardware in general was lame	[07:16]
bob^^	yeah	[07:17]
merky	its' got better over the yaers thuogh bu oh well solaris is dead as good as dead at least	[07:17]
RandalSchwartz	I used solaris 1 and 2 :) back when it was called sunos 4 and sunos 5	[07:18]
merky	huh?	[07:18]
RandalSchwartz	1991-ish	[07:19]
merky	i used sunos yaeh sun3/60	[07:19]
RandalSchwartz	solaris 1 was the distro that had sunos 4 in it and solaris 2 was the distro of sunos 5	[07:19]
bob^^	hehe	[07:19]
merky	oh taht reminds me	[07:19]
RandalSchwartz	although a lot of people at the time just said "sunos" vs "solaris"	[07:19]
merky	i have some sparc clone i was goign to get going some time but i never got aroundto it it's probably in my garage	[07:19]
RandalSchwartz	we had mostly sun4's in the server room	[07:20]
merky	i've had it for years	[07:20]
RandalSchwartz	and sun3's on desktops	[07:20]
merky	yeah optical mice that need a special pad	[07:20]
RandalSchwartz	a grand total of 16GB of disk for 40 engineers!	[07:20]
merky	and are bulky like amiga mice that's FOUR HUNDED MEGABYTES PER USER	[07:20]
RandalSchwartz	rebooting to install 10.6.6	[07:20]
merky	andyou canshare binaries etc andsave space macos? i can't remembe rseeing a sun4 http://web.archive.org/web/20000817004025/www.sparcproductdirectory.com/19rack-10.html they're all ugly	[07:21]
RandalSchwartz	good, that semes to have worked upgrades are always a bit of risk anyone want a wuala invite?	[07:32]
merky	what's wuala?	[07:34]
RandalSchwartz	like dropbox, 2GB initial, but you can get more just by sharing your hard drive space of an always-on machine also strong encryption... they don't have your cleartext so, unlike dropbox. :)	[07:34]
merky	oh weird.	[07:35]
RandalSchwartz	I'm sharing 50GB of my home server with them, and now I have 50GB of cloud storage	[07:35]
merky	i had that idea :/	[07:35]
RandalSchwartz	I use it to transfer stuff between home and laptop	[07:35]
merky	what net speed does it need?	[07:35]
RandalSchwartz	not dialup :)	[07:35]
merky	heh	[07:35]
RandalSchwartz	you can set the clients to throttle	[07:35]
bob^^	interesting idea	[07:35]
merky	i have bw limit on my home connection	[07:35]
RandalSchwartz	if you go to the site, you get 1GB, but I have invites that start you at 2 anyone want one?	[07:36]
toddf	randalschwartz: since they have bins I presume it's not open source?	[07:36]
RandalSchwartz	yeah, not open source	[07:36]
merky	oh 2gb isn't that much	[07:36]
RandalSchwartz	but built on many o/s technologies 2gb isn't much... it's the trading of space that makes it intersting you can also just outright rent space too like dropbox	[07:36]
merky	can you rsync etc to it?	[07:36]
RandalSchwartz	sorta.	[07:37]
toddf	are there other companies that are open source that do this?	[07:37]
RandalSchwartz	they give you a netdrive equivalent	[07:37]
merky	or is there some annoying api?	[07:37]
RandalSchwartz	it's done with FUSE so it's a little weird the problem is that it's encrypted locally before shipping so you have to have some local driver intercept the calls	[07:37]
toddf	monetizing unutilized bandwidth and unlimited electricity in my office and idle and empty disks seems like a good idea to me ;-)	[07:37]
merky	don't think i have a need for it	[07:37]
RandalSchwartz	toddf - want an invite?	[07:37]
toddf	randalschwartz: dunno, I run only openbsd, so ... ;-)	[07:38]
merky	qos it	[07:38]
RandalSchwartz	oh - not sure they have a client for that they have some sort of command-line client that runs under linux emulation mode for freebsd	[07:38]
toddf	there is a 'compile from source' option, woah	[07:39]
merky	openbsd can actually run linux and freebsd binaries in theory	[07:39]
toddf	http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx its much better to run native, freebsd/linux emulation works for some things, but it comes down to which system calls are used, some newer ones are not emulated at all	[07:39]
merky	ahh ok	[07:40]
RandalSchwartz	pedants would say your terminology is a bit off	[07:40]
merky	i haven't used it in ages i haven't run openbsd as a desktop in ages	[07:40]
RandalSchwartz	like calling "wine" an emulator :)	[07:40]
toddf	s/emulated/mapped/	[07:40]
RandalSchwartz	freebsd doesn't "emulate" linux	[07:40]
merky	i used to use it as a desktop and use opera under emulation	[07:40]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - it can use a different mapping of syscalls	[07:40]
toddf	s/emulated/implemented/	[07:40]
RandalSchwartz	so there's no indirection there just a bit set in the process table	[07:41]
merky	it used to be that it used old redhat binaries for libc etc	[07:41]
RandalSchwartz	still does, as I recall	[07:41]
merky	i can't say i've kept up with it oh btw can freebsd 64 bit kernel run 32 bit apps?	[07:41]
RandalSchwartz	I suspect so	[07:42]
merky	linux can i have found in the past openbsd can't :/	[07:42]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - my 64-bit machine here has a lib32.so so I presume that's the old lib interface	[07:42]
merky	hmm	[07:43]
toddf	the source has a libnautilus extension, so in theory it should work	[07:43]
merky	maybe i should try out freebsd sometime cos mostly i just want openbgpd, relayd, pf etc which all aren't on linux but all seem to be on freebsd too i wonder if they're on netbsd netbsd seemed cleaner than freebsd last time i looked	[07:43]
toddf	and the reason you don't want to try OpenBSD is ? ;-) the migration from OpenBSD to the other BSD's lags somewhat.. hmm, it talks about the open source dropbox plugin downloading the dropbox binary, hmm	[07:44]
merky	i'm already using openbsd :) i'm mostly worried about the whole network speed thign with openbsd.	[07:46]
toddf	sorry, probably missed some prior scrollback network speed thing?	[07:46]
merky	not enough development seems to be happening	[07:46]
toddf	what typeof network speed are you worried about?	[07:47]
merky	oh	[07:47]
toddf	WTF? "NOT ENOUGH DEVELOPMENT" ????	[07:47]
merky	openbsd only just added automatic receive window scaling	[07:47]
toddf	you are obviously not reading source-changes nor tech	[07:47]
merky	but it only works if the other end supports tcp timestmaps	[07:47]
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merky	development happens	[07:47]
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merky	but i mean network stuff is a bit lagged behind freebsd etc.	[07:47]
toddf	none of that has anything to do with routing and firewalling	[07:47]
merky	oh yaeh, but as far as hosting stuff on it	[07:48]
toddf	it only effects userland apps serving content (httpd, etc)	[07:48]
merky	yeah i know well i live in new zealand, and using openbsd on raw hardware as routers	[07:48]
toddf	I've had no issues hosting content on openbsd and am willing to take a performance hit if it happens to have a more secure system. I know that's not everyone.	[07:49]
merky	and found it fine.. well yaeh, -current has new window scaling code in it but it requires the other end to have tcp timestamps enabled. that's the main gotcha i i have with openbsd. amd tjat and that's mostly abotu usig relayd etc. you can force set a socket buffer size	[07:49]
toddf	randalschwartz: I'll let you know if I want an invite, I'll setup a test account with a generic email etc and if I can do it fully open source, then I'll accept the invite, otherwise not worth my time	[07:50]
merky	anyway, 4.9 should be a bit better for network performance of daemons etc.	[07:51]
toddf	merky: openbsd is not against people sending diffs.. ;-)	[07:51]
merky	toddf: yeah well i still wasn't sure exactly what i was doing i tried posting to the dev mailing lsit.. i tried hacking the source but it's kind of complicated. and i don't understand everything have you ever got a diff accepted?	[07:51]
toddf	grep todd /dev/MAKEDEV so you can understand I have some bias ;-)	[07:52]
merky	ahhh.. well i dunno is it okay to look at freebsd code or something for inspiration? it's bad to look at linux code cos of licensing? and if code ends up too similar can be complicated?	[07:53]
toddf	no point in reinventing the wheel, credit from where it came from, bsd or similarly licensed is fine, linux if you read for docs but don't borrow code tends to be ok	[07:55]
merky	hmm maybe i should check freebsd basically i just want window scaling to work without tcp timestamps	[07:55]
toddf	sounds like you do need to check that other os's perform 'better' for your application. otherwise you're wasting your time wading in the code. ;-) do you have an application or just want the feature?	[07:56]
merky	international tcp/ip performance is quite noticable umm international web browisng through squid as a proxy.. i suppose i need to find a way to record what sites have tcp time stamps on like tcp dump maye but on linux /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps being 0	[07:56]
toddf	scientific method and all that, you have to be able to have numerics behind your claims that things are slower or you don't know if you've fixed them to be faster when you change the source	[07:58]
merky	makes -current go at 60k/sec or something internationally well it's real obivous i mean it's a known limitation from what claudio said he went and took out net.inet.tcp.recvspace	[07:58]
RandalSchwartz	trying out the Mac App store. Just downloaded Twitter with it... very slick	[08:00]
merky	oh they actually did that? i thought that'd be in macos 10.7	[08:01]
RandalSchwartz	new in 10.6.6 the rest of the interface mangling comes in 10.7, I'm told	[08:07]
merky	is 10.6.6 much better? gah i should go to bed	[08:07]
toddf	so the dropbox open source system is an interface to their proprietary daemon	[08:11]
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toddf	http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=3107 interesting read	[08:16]
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jdoe	merky: no, 10.6.6 has no major changes other than the app store (misc bugfixes/performance improvements though) ... updating is generally a good idea, but it's not OMG YOU HAVE TO RIGHT NOW.	[08:55]
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toddf	so for the fun and adventuresome I've re-packed a program file wuala distributes to x86 unixen .. it contained linux swt class files checking into linux .so objects, replace them with openbsd objects, and wallah, gui works!	[10:30]
RandalSchwartz	yeay!	[10:33]
toddf	http://todd.fries.net/private/Wuala.368 -> wuala/Program4/Wuala.368 on OpenBSD/i386 and presto presuming you have jdk installed blah blah	[10:33]
RandalSchwartz	and then you too can have dropbox-like filesharing, but better	[10:34]
toddf	time to see if nfs works, after I see the TOS I specifically will be looking to find the 'share my disk for profit' details	[10:34]
vcs	haha	[10:35]
Lefty	toddf: "voila", not "wallah" ;)	[10:35]
toddf	Lefty: you get the idea in any event	[10:36]
Lefty	true, true that's the nice thing about shared objects they make things portable! (in theory)	[10:36]
toddf	bah, account creation failed because of some swt class not present next round of 'how can I hack/fix this' ;-)	[10:39]
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RandalSchwartz	wuala tells me you're activated oh weird. I got the email, but nothing in the wuala interface	[10:43]
toddf	yeah, signin is finding more swt classes wuala adds in their hidden (wuala/Program4/Wuala.368) class library, so I'm adding them as it `notifies me' in full dialog alert mode -nogui permits login	[10:44]
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	looks like nfs needs to be enabled in the gui, continuing gui crash and fix mode	[11:03]
BarberRonny	:P	[11:03]
RandalSchwartz	oh look, there you are in my friend request list by the way, you get all the "pro" features (backup and sync etc) just by sharing even the smallest amount of disk	[11:11]
toddf	I'm still fighting the gui, but presuming I get that fixed, I'll be shairing more than a small amount of disk presuming I get $$ for the effort, where's the link to do that or is it in the gui also?	[11:14]
RandalSchwartz	you don't get $$. you get cloudspace. the cloudspace would have cost you $$ you really were distracted on that phone call. :)	[11:22]
toddf	yeah, indeed	[11:23]
RandalSchwartz	but for example, I now have 64GB of cloudspace so I can share big files with my friends, or slowly transfer a lot of data from my home drobo to my work laptop while I'm on the road I could have paid for that with dropbox, but it's free with wuala in fact, if I get it large enough, I can use it to automatically make cloud-safe my pictures during a trip just point wuala at my Aperture library	[11:23]
toddf	how does it work if your shared space goes away (say disk failure, etc) ? say you have 64g shared to them in the cloud, but then you loose net/disk/etc .. do you get to plop in a new disk and share it again within e.g. 2 days and all is good or do you pay for 2 days of 64gb etc?	[11:27]
RandalSchwartz	it drifts by 3% a day weighted average and they keep your stuff on the cloud... you just can't get to it it seemed like they really wanted to be forgiving of possible failure modes but they do eventually have to notify you of impending deletion	[11:28]
toddf	I presume they have a policy in place to not have people abuse that, upload 128gb, drop the local 128gb share, a year later, new 128gb share and re-download the data .. etc	[11:29]
RandalSchwartz	yeah, it looked sensible involving notifications and such	[11:30]
toddf	so in essense by serving them some less reliable disk I get them to have more reliable disk to store data into	[11:32]
RandalSchwartz	seems that way :)	[11:32]
toddf	wonder if there's a xfer limit or what their policy is on their end wrt data storage, I presume they expect most people to purchase rather than share, and those that share permit them to monetize the shared disk space, sure would be nice if we could share disk space and make money off it also obviously at a lesser rate than they'd charge for it will sure be nice when the api is available, having java classes auto downloaded with shared libraries doesn't give me warm fuzzies	[11:34]
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toddf	http://www.wuala.com/en/api presto	[11:58]
	booh, its only supporting public access at this time.	[12:10]
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mhoran	Sorry, but if that's anything like the Lacie drives I've had in the past, no thanks. :)	[13:26]
ideas1	lol lacie just bought them this past year	[13:32]
toddf	so bottom line is, they have a teaser of an open api, closed source ``security'' algorithms in java that downloads shared libs to your disk and uses them instead of your shared libs .. hmm.... I think I'll wait till I can inspect an openly implemented client of wuava or anything similar	[13:35]
ideas1	hey do you guys know how long it usually takes to get your account info, I signed up last night but havent heard anything *?	[13:41]
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toddf	activations happen overnight, so if it didn't happen last night, chances are better tonight. depends on available hardware and such. if it is delayed a few days due to hardware acquisition, its worth it, anybody here will attest to that.	[13:47]
ideas1	sounds good todd thanks have you guys tried tarsnap? it works great	[13:47]
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ideas1	new to bsd, is the closest thing to pf on linux iptables? i couldnt find a port	[21:39]
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HUBPub	ideas1: yes, pf==BSD and iptables==linux. In BSD pf isn't a port, it's part of the base system. See man pf.conf and http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/	[23:59]

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