#arpnetworks 2011-01-13,Thu

RandalSchwartz

and can do a lot more than standard tethering

fink

RandalSchwartz: but that's on the iphone…i'm asking about on your mac

RandalSchwartz

mywi permits wifi hotspot mode for example

fink

i saw this here: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10392732

RandalSchwartz

there's nothing on my mac
nothing needed on my mac for either pseudo-tethering or mywi

fink

RandalSchwartz: i mean, in system prefs->network->iphone bt or usb on your mac
this guy says that if you upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6, the advanced network options are available in system prefs for the iphone bt/usb interfaces

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RandalSchwartz

oh, yeah, when tethering is enabled, there's an interface that shows up in system preference.
I've mostly just left that alone... it just works

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fink

i was wondering if you had upgraded or done a fresh install of 10.6

this is what my iphone bt network interface pref pane looks like: http://macblog.sk/files/pictures/snowleopard_iphone_tethering_connectoin_tcp.png

you said yours has all the options, including proxy?

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RandalSchwartz

I don't know, and I can't see it without enabling tethering
which would be incovenient right now
as I said, I usually don't need to look into those
everything just works. :)
not sure why you'd need proxy anyway
there's no proxy between you and the internet when you're on your phone :)

[09:26]

fink

ok
RandalSchwartz: next time you tether, do you mind checking for me?
RandalSchwartz: well i want to setup polipo locally, to speed things up and keep my bandwidth usage low
RandalSchwartz: did you do a fresh install of 10.6 on your mac, or upgrade from 10.5?

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RandalSchwartz

this is odd. I'm pretty sure I had this exact same discussion with someone already
maybe even you

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fink

RandalSchwartz: yea i know, i mentioned that earlier ;)

[09:29]

RandalSchwartz

well - I thought it was already resolved. :)

[09:30]

fink

RandalSchwartz: right, my new question is: did you do a fresh install of 10.6 on your mac, or upgrade from 10.5?

[09:30]

RandalSchwartz

fresh 10.6
with a migration from 10.5

[09:31]

fink

RandalSchwartz: and to confirm that your network interface pref pane does NOT look like: http://macblog.sk/files/pictures/snowleopard_iphone_tethering_connectoin_tcp.png
RandalSchwartz: hmm weird, that's what i did too! (i think)
RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help

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RandalSchwartz

yeah, I won't know what mine looks like until I try to tether.

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fink

RandalSchwartz: good holiday?

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RandalSchwartz

what's a holiday? :)
or are you talking about a specific one
as in, I don't know if you're talking about Christmas or New Years, or what the brits call what we call a "vacation"
because I haven't had a vacation in years.
unless you count the occasional weekend that I go "off the grid" in tijuana

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fink

xmas & new years?
did you have a good holiday

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RandalSchwartz

you just named two of them, but then said it in the singular again
so now I'm confused about your question, again.

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RandalSchwartz

or are you referring maybe to january 6th (epiphany)
or whatever the most recent holiday is

mike-burns

/topic Pedantics

fink

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mike-burns

fink: Good holiday?

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fink

mike-burns: great, i was in the EU the whole time. how about you?

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mike-burns

Also great; took the week off from work and managed to relax and work on my own projects.

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fink

mike-burns: i too wanted to get some coding done, but ended up drinking and traveling a lot; but it was nice to get away from the screen for a while

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RandalSchwartz

oh - so you call "holiday" the period between christmas and new years?
that was a work week for me.
so really, no different than any other week

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cedwards

perhaps someone here can offer some insight into ipv4 static routing on centos.
I've got a machine with two interfaces configured for two subnets.
eth0 is on 172.16.26.0/24 and eth1 is on 192.168.122.0/24.
I can ping both gateways (can only ping the right gateway from the right interface), and I can connect to other hosts within those subnets, but I can't connect to the outside world.

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RandalSchwartz

which way is your defaults pointing
and where are you testing the pings from
which net has the world if
or is it this box
cedwards?

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cedwards

sorry. work distractions.

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RandalSchwartz

often!
so - what's up?

[10:56]

cedwards

also, these are VMs on KVM. I'm now realizing that I can't get to the outside world from any of my VMs.
wondering if I've missed something, or misconfigured something on the host

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RandalSchwartz

ok - where is the "real world" interface
as in "netstat -rn" has what for default?
and is that host reachable?
every machine must have either a default route, or speak a routing protocol and have routes for most of the internet
hint - the second is not likely you :)
and where does the NATing happy
happen
because if you don't NAT an RFC1918 address, you're not gonna get a ping either

[11:00]

cedwards

http://pastebin.com/0pvztn1u
I can connect into the VMs and the host from within the office. I can ping both gateways from the VMs. I can connect to other hosts within the office from the VMs..

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RandalSchwartz

what's the topology of .245 ?
is it natting 172.16.26/24 outbound to the net?

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cedwards

I don't know why .245 was chosen as the gateways, but that is the gateway address of all of our subnets in our office.
it must not be natting to the net, and I guess that's where I'm stuck.

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RandalSchwartz

so what if are you having problems at?

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cedwards

if I have all the other connectivity it's starting to sound to me like that's all I'm missing.

RandalSchwartz

I don't see eth0 and eth1

cedwards

just that I can't get from the VMs to the net. I guess I'm not familiar enough with KVM and Linux bridges to NAT it properly.

RandalSchwartz

so now I don't know how to help

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RandalSchwartz

is .24 a segment and .122 a segment
and .26 is the upstream segment that can talk to the internet

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cedwards

ohh I think I pastebin'd from the host and not the VM.

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RandalSchwartz

and now you need to have people on .24 and .122 be able to use you as a router to get to the net?
well - then that's what's confusing me. :)

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cedwards

all of our VMs are on the .26. our sysadmin/mgmt network is the .24.
the .122 is only configured between these VMs as a private network to monitor a heartbeat.
it is not used anywhere else, and only needs access between these two machines (which currently is functional)

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RandalSchwartz

ok - at this point, I'll have to turn on the for-hire meter
already burned up time by being misled
sorry
hope you get someone to help you
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cedwards

and I've been turned around in circles chasing my tail I feel the same way.

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RandalSchwartz

replace them with what? folgers crystals?

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BarberRonny

evening/night/morning/whatever your timezone youre in :-)
whoops wrong channel
sorry

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jlgaddis

jlgaddis looks around
up_the_irons: was working on setting up git last night and came across a how to you wrote. thanks. =)

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up_the_irons

jlgaddis: no problem :)

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amdprophet

jlgaddis: we use that one too, I didn't notice until like a week after I read it and then I was all like OMFG, up_the_irons wrote this... Ubuntu also links to it from their documentation

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up_the_irons

amdprophet: hah, really? cool!

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amdprophet

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jlgaddis

yeah i was reading through it and the twitter stream on the side caught my eye. i looked and was like "that picture looks familiar."

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up_the_irons

hehe

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jlgaddis

i'm working on tying git and puppet together. nice little learning curve considering i've never used either.

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up_the_irons

nice

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decourl

Hi all - wondering if anybody has a good example of an RFC 2317 (classless delegation) zone file. I was trying varios things like
$ORIGIN 144/28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa.
146 IN A PTR my.host.com.
But I am seeing syntax/validation errors in the named logs:
zone 144/28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading from master file /var/named/etc/namedb/master/144-28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa failed: bad dotted quad
This is bind 9.8 BTW.
(I already added option "check-names master ignore;" as it didn't like the slash in the zone name either.
)

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RandalSchwartz

up_the_irons - we never did hook up for dinner
unless you're nearby tonight

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jpalmer

decourl: ping

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decourl

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jpalmer

decourl: don't use the slash notation. try 144-159.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa

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decourl

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jpalmer

your delegation request is completed btw.

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decourl

okay thank you

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jpalmer

np. I'm heading to bed now. so, if you have questions, feel free to ask here, in #ipv6, in #bind, or.. I'll be around off and on tomorrow. good luck with it ;)

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decourl

thanks again

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RandalSchwartz

nothign from up_the_irons
ok
he's either in transit, or ignoring me :)
jpalmer - what's ipv6? :)

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jpalmer

RandalSchwartz: I'd suggest "the happy ending" on sunset and sycamore. get the sliders. they are.. phenomenal.
RandalSchwartz: IPv6 is that newfangled gadgetry that all the new age hippies are preaching. IPv4 is good enough for me :P

[20:21]

RandalSchwartz

ipv6.he.net is saying less than 30 days
but that's before iana is out
the regionals will be longer

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jpalmer

yeah
the RIR's are a ways in the future.

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RandalSchwartz

300-ish days, by some estimates

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jpalmer

I'm going to say.. the majority of the internet will be dual stacked for at least 5-10 years.

RandalSchwartz

better than single-stacked 5 years ago

jpalmer

definately.

RandalSchwartz

www.stonehenge.com isn't v6 visible yet
but it's only because I've been pretty much failing as a webmaster

jpalmer

are you going to add AAAA's for it on June 8th?

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RandalSchwartz

stonehenge.com mail delivery *does* work
I need to figure out how to ensure the name-based servers work
might have to set up proper reverses

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jpalmer

jpalmer is actually kinda excited abouy June 8th. even though my sites are almost all IPv6 capable now.. I think it's going to be very intersting to see the world use IPv6 for 24 hours.. and then even more.. interesting, how many of the participating companies LEAVE AAAA records in place for their main websites.
I'd be thrilled if google, facebook, or yahoo left AAAA records enabled on the main www.* site after June 8th.
anywho, as I said earlier.. bedtime.

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June 8th eh? how come I haven't read anything about it?

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RandalSchwartz

I'm telling this girl next to me "how many people do you meet in a week that have a wikipedia page about them... I'm guessing, under 10"

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jdoe

RandalSchwartz: you used some other domain for the he ipv6 thing?

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RandalSchwartz

eh?

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jdoe

I thought you were a "sage" or whatever, which implies working v6 mail delivery, dns, and web

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RandalSchwartz

yes
I faked the web part
set up a temporary socat process
since it had to be on my red.stonehenge.com address
which wasn't my web server

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jlgaddis

jpalmer: www.ipv6.facebook.com is a permanent thing, fwiw

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jlgaddis: pretty sure it's just v6.facebook.com

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jlgaddis

dns disagrees =)
also, ipv6.google.com, iirc
s:www.ipv6:www.v6:
guess i could quit drinking
should

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RandalSchwartz

could
and the point would be?
soberiety just leads to flat out exposure to pain

hmmmm I get no route to www.v6.facebook.com, but it is v6 not ipv6

jlgaddis

i'd save a lot of money

RandalSchwartz

we put on mittens and hats and big coats for winter

jlgaddis

g: yeah

RandalSchwartz

soberiety is like skipping all that
the cold is there
the pain is there
why not have an insulating layer? :)

amdprophet

anyone on ipv6 here?

RandalSchwartz

"on"?

amdprophet

with their desktop

jlgaddis

probably a few of us

RandalSchwartz

I think my miredo is fired up

amdprophet

aelatis.com
does it work?
err I guess it would be hard to tell whether or not it's using ipv4 or not

RandalSchwartz

as a webserver
or ping?

amdprophet

webserver
ping6 should work

RandalSchwartz

where's your www then?

amdprophet

aelatis.com should work over ipv4 and ipv6

jlgaddis

--- aelatis.com ping6 statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 103.669/103.686/103.703/0.017 ms

RandalSchwartz

I'm seeing it, but I can't tell if it's via v4 or v6

amdprophet

i'll check the server logs

RandalSchwartz

yeah - I'm ping6'ing it ok

amdprophet

yea, you're hitting it over v6 :D
awesome

jlgaddis

$ telnet -6 aelatis.com 80
Trying 2607:f2f8:980::2...
Connected to aelatis.com.

amdprophet

jlgaddis: nice :)