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| fink | hey RandalSchwartz : i have an iphone tethering question for you | [09:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes?
fink? for all I know, that was from 12 hours ago though. :) | [09:17] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: last time we spoke, you mentioned that you do have the advanced settings (dns, proxy, etc.) for your iphone usb/bt interface in network prefs, right? | [09:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | not sure.
I have a $2 utility installed that lets me enable "at&t" tethering | [09:21] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: mywi, right? me too | [09:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | I can switch that off and on, and it works just like it would if I paid $20/month more to at&t
no - mywi is independent of that... $20 it has its own router setup | [09:21] |
| fink | oh | [09:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | and can do a lot more than standard tethering | [09:22] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: but that's on the iphone…i'm asking about on your mac | [09:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | mywi permits wifi hotspot mode for example | [09:22] |
| fink | i saw this here: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10392732 | [09:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | there's nothing on my mac
nothing needed on my mac for either pseudo-tethering or mywi | [09:22] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: i mean, in system prefs->network->iphone bt or usb on your mac
this guy says that if you upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6, the advanced network options are available in system prefs for the iphone bt/usb interfaces | [09:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh, yeah, when tethering is enabled, there's an interface that shows up in system preference.
I've mostly just left that alone... it just works | [09:23] |
| fink | i was wondering if you had upgraded or done a fresh install of 10.6
this is what my iphone bt network interface pref pane looks like: http://macblog.sk/files/pictures/snowleopard_iphone_tethering_connectoin_tcp.png you said yours has all the options, including proxy? | [09:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | I don't know, and I can't see it without enabling tethering
which would be incovenient right now as I said, I usually don't need to look into those everything just works. :) not sure why you'd need proxy anyway there's no proxy between you and the internet when you're on your phone :) | [09:26] |
| fink | ok
RandalSchwartz: next time you tether, do you mind checking for me? RandalSchwartz: well i want to setup polipo locally, to speed things up and keep my bandwidth usage low RandalSchwartz: did you do a fresh install of 10.6 on your mac, or upgrade from 10.5? | [09:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | this is odd. I'm pretty sure I had this exact same discussion with someone already
maybe even you | [09:28] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: yea i know, i mentioned that earlier ;) | [09:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - I thought it was already resolved. :) | [09:30] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: right, my new question is: did you do a fresh install of 10.6 on your mac, or upgrade from 10.5? | [09:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | fresh 10.6
with a migration from 10.5 | [09:31] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: and to confirm that your network interface pref pane does NOT look like: http://macblog.sk/files/pictures/snowleopard_iphone_tethering_connectoin_tcp.png
RandalSchwartz: hmm weird, that's what i did too! (i think) RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help | [09:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, I won't know what mine looks like until I try to tether. | [09:33] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: good holiday? | [09:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | what's a holiday? :)
or are you talking about a specific one as in, I don't know if you're talking about Christmas or New Years, or what the brits call what we call a "vacation" because I haven't had a vacation in years. unless you count the occasional weekend that I go "off the grid" in tijuana | [09:34] |
| fink | xmas & new years?
did you have a good holiday | [09:36] |
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| RandalSchwartz | you just named two of them, but then said it in the singular again
so now I'm confused about your question, again. | [09:50] |
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| RandalSchwartz | or are you referring maybe to january 6th (epiphany)
or whatever the most recent holiday is | [09:50] |
| mike-burns | /topic Pedantics | [09:50] |
| fink | fink wishes he had never asked | [09:53] |
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| mike-burns | fink: Good holiday? | [09:54] |
| fink | mike-burns: great, i was in the EU the whole time. how about you? | [09:54] |
| mike-burns | Also great; took the week off from work and managed to relax and work on my own projects. | [09:55] |
| fink | mike-burns: i too wanted to get some coding done, but ended up drinking and traveling a lot; but it was nice to get away from the screen for a while | [09:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh - so you call "holiday" the period between christmas and new years?
that was a work week for me. so really, no different than any other week | [10:01] |
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| cedwards | perhaps someone here can offer some insight into ipv4 static routing on centos.
I've got a machine with two interfaces configured for two subnets. eth0 is on 172.16.26.0/24 and eth1 is on 192.168.122.0/24. I can ping both gateways (can only ping the right gateway from the right interface), and I can connect to other hosts within those subnets, but I can't connect to the outside world. | [10:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | which way is your defaults pointing
and where are you testing the pings from which net has the world if or is it this box cedwards? | [10:41] |
| cedwards | sorry. work distractions. | [10:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | often!
so - what's up? | [10:56] |
| cedwards | also, these are VMs on KVM. I'm now realizing that I can't get to the outside world from any of my VMs.
wondering if I've missed something, or misconfigured something on the host | [11:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | ok - where is the "real world" interface
as in "netstat -rn" has what for default? and is that host reachable? every machine must have either a default route, or speak a routing protocol and have routes for most of the internet hint - the second is not likely you :) and where does the NATing happy happen because if you don't NAT an RFC1918 address, you're not gonna get a ping either | [11:00] |
| cedwards | http://pastebin.com/0pvztn1u
I can connect into the VMs and the host from within the office. I can ping both gateways from the VMs. I can connect to other hosts within the office from the VMs.. | [11:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | what's the topology of .245 ?
is it natting 172.16.26/24 outbound to the net? | [11:04] |
| cedwards | I don't know why .245 was chosen as the gateways, but that is the gateway address of all of our subnets in our office.
it must not be natting to the net, and I guess that's where I'm stuck. | [11:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | so what if are you having problems at? | [11:05] |
| cedwards | if I have all the other connectivity it's starting to sound to me like that's all I'm missing. | [11:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | I don't see eth0 and eth1 | [11:06] |
| cedwards | just that I can't get from the VMs to the net. I guess I'm not familiar enough with KVM and Linux bridges to NAT it properly. | [11:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | so now I don't know how to help | [11:06] |
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| RandalSchwartz | is .24 a segment and .122 a segment
and .26 is the upstream segment that can talk to the internet | [11:07] |
| cedwards | ohh I think I pastebin'd from the host and not the VM. | [11:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | and now you need to have people on .24 and .122 be able to use you as a router to get to the net?
well - then that's what's confusing me. :) | [11:08] |
| cedwards | all of our VMs are on the .26. our sysadmin/mgmt network is the .24.
the .122 is only configured between these VMs as a private network to monitor a heartbeat. it is not used anywhere else, and only needs access between these two machines (which currently is functional) | [11:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | ok - at this point, I'll have to turn on the for-hire meter
already burned up time by being misled sorry hope you get someone to help you RandalSchwartz wanders off | [11:09] |
| cedwards | and I've been turned around in circles chasing my tail I feel the same way. | [11:09] |
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| RandalSchwartz | replace them with what? folgers crystals? | [15:31] |
| BarberRonny | evening/night/morning/whatever your timezone youre in :-)
whoops wrong channel sorry | [15:33] |
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| jlgaddis | jlgaddis looks around
up_the_irons: was working on setting up git last night and came across a how to you wrote. thanks. =) | [18:09] |
| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: no problem :) | [18:10] |
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| amdprophet | jlgaddis: we use that one too, I didn't notice until like a week after I read it and then I was all like OMFG, up_the_irons wrote this... Ubuntu also links to it from their documentation | [18:23] |
| up_the_irons | amdprophet: hah, really? cool! | [18:24] |
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| amdprophet | ya | [18:31] |
| jlgaddis | yeah i was reading through it and the twitter stream on the side caught my eye. i looked and was like "that picture looks familiar." | [18:32] |
| up_the_irons | hehe | [18:32] |
| jlgaddis | i'm working on tying git and puppet together. nice little learning curve considering i've never used either. | [18:33] |
| up_the_irons | nice | [18:34] |
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| decourl | Hi all - wondering if anybody has a good example of an RFC 2317 (classless delegation) zone file. I was trying varios things like
$ORIGIN 144/28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa. 146 IN A PTR my.host.com. But I am seeing syntax/validation errors in the named logs: zone 144/28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading from master file /var/named/etc/namedb/master/144-28.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa failed: bad dotted quad This is bind 9.8 BTW. (I already added option "check-names master ignore;" as it didn't like the slash in the zone name either. ) | [18:45] |
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| RandalSchwartz | up_the_irons - we never did hook up for dinner
unless you're nearby tonight | [19:25] |
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| jpalmer | decourl: ping | [19:57] |
| decourl | hi | [20:03] |
| jpalmer | decourl: don't use the slash notation. try 144-159.111.136.174.in-addr.arpa | [20:06] |
| decourl | ok | [20:07] |
| jpalmer | your delegation request is completed btw. | [20:08] |
| decourl | okay thank you | [20:08] |
| jpalmer | np. I'm heading to bed now. so, if you have questions, feel free to ask here, in #ipv6, in #bind, or.. I'll be around off and on tomorrow. good luck with it ;) | [20:09] |
| decourl | thanks again | [20:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | nothign from up_the_irons
ok he's either in transit, or ignoring me :) jpalmer - what's ipv6? :) | [20:19] |
| jpalmer | RandalSchwartz: I'd suggest "the happy ending" on sunset and sycamore. get the sliders. they are.. phenomenal.
RandalSchwartz: IPv6 is that newfangled gadgetry that all the new age hippies are preaching. IPv4 is good enough for me :P | [20:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | ipv6.he.net is saying less than 30 days
but that's before iana is out the regionals will be longer | [20:22] |
| jpalmer | yeah
the RIR's are a ways in the future. | [20:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | 300-ish days, by some estimates | [20:22] |
| jpalmer | I'm going to say.. the majority of the internet will be dual stacked for at least 5-10 years. | [20:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | better than single-stacked 5 years ago | [20:23] |
| jpalmer | definately. | [20:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | www.stonehenge.com isn't v6 visible yet
but it's only because I've been pretty much failing as a webmaster | [20:23] |
| jpalmer | are you going to add AAAA's for it on June 8th? | [20:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | stonehenge.com mail delivery *does* work
I need to figure out how to ensure the name-based servers work might have to set up proper reverses | [20:24] |
| jpalmer | jpalmer is actually kinda excited abouy June 8th. even though my sites are almost all IPv6 capable now.. I think it's going to be very intersting to see the world use IPv6 for 24 hours.. and then even more.. interesting, how many of the participating companies LEAVE AAAA records in place for their main websites.
I'd be thrilled if google, facebook, or yahoo left AAAA records enabled on the main www.* site after June 8th. anywho, as I said earlier.. bedtime. | [20:26] |
| G | June 8th eh? how come I haven't read anything about it? | [20:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm telling this girl next to me "how many people do you meet in a week that have a wikipedia page about them... I'm guessing, under 10" | [20:38] |
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| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: you used some other domain for the he ipv6 thing? | [21:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | eh? | [21:00] |
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| jdoe | I thought you were a "sage" or whatever, which implies working v6 mail delivery, dns, and web | [21:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes
I faked the web part set up a temporary socat process since it had to be on my red.stonehenge.com address which wasn't my web server | [21:08] |
| jlgaddis | jpalmer: www.ipv6.facebook.com is a permanent thing, fwiw | [21:16] |
| G | jlgaddis: pretty sure it's just v6.facebook.com | [21:16] |
| jlgaddis | dns disagrees =)
also, ipv6.google.com, iirc s:www.ipv6:www.v6: guess i could quit drinking should | [21:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | could
and the point would be? soberiety just leads to flat out exposure to pain | [21:20] |
| G | hmmmm I get no route to www.v6.facebook.com, but it is v6 not ipv6 | [21:20] |
| jlgaddis | i'd save a lot of money | [21:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | we put on mittens and hats and big coats for winter | [21:20] |
| jlgaddis | g: yeah | [21:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | soberiety is like skipping all that
the cold is there the pain is there why not have an insulating layer? :) | [21:20] |
| amdprophet | anyone on ipv6 here? | [21:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | "on"? | [21:21] |
| amdprophet | with their desktop | [21:21] |
| jlgaddis | probably a few of us | [21:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think my miredo is fired up | [21:21] |
| amdprophet | aelatis.com
does it work? err I guess it would be hard to tell whether or not it's using ipv4 or not | [21:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | as a webserver
or ping? | [21:22] |
| amdprophet | webserver
ping6 should work | [21:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | where's your www then? | [21:22] |
| amdprophet | aelatis.com should work over ipv4 and ipv6 | [21:22] |
| jlgaddis | --- aelatis.com ping6 statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 103.669/103.686/103.703/0.017 ms | [21:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm seeing it, but I can't tell if it's via v4 or v6 | [21:22] |
| amdprophet | i'll check the server logs | [21:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - I'm ping6'ing it ok | [21:23] |
| amdprophet | yea, you're hitting it over v6 :D
awesome | [21:23] |
| jlgaddis | $ telnet -6 aelatis.com 80
Trying 2607:f2f8:980::2... Connected to aelatis.com. | [21:23] |
| amdprophet | jlgaddis: nice :) | [21:23] |
| G | jlgaddis: works from my home connection too | [21:24] |
| amdprophet | I _think_ most of our customers' websites should be accessible via ipv6
unless they're on the one server we have at the planet or "softlayer" as it's called now they won't give us an ipv6 address | [21:25] |
| jlgaddis | oh shit, somebody shoot me. i just fired up outlook 2011 for the first time and i think i might like it.
i should turn enable ipv6 on my vps once i figure out how to filter ipv6, that is | [21:28] |
| G | jlgaddis: ip6tables
on a iptables based distro | [21:31] |
| jlgaddis | i use pf, which supports inet6 nowadays (i think)
so much easier at home, with cisco gear | [21:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | iptables seemed weired | [21:36] |
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| RandalSchwartz | a mechanism without a config file format | [21:36] |
| jlgaddis | it's linux, of course it's weird | [21:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | s/linux/gnu/ :) | [21:38] |
| jlgaddis | jlgaddis @ gnu.org =)
hmm, speaking of linux, looks like i'll have some rhel boxes to update in a few hours... rhel 5.6 was released today, apparently. | [21:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | rhel = "remote hell" | [21:41] |
| jlgaddis | better than damn ubuntu | [21:41] |
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| jlgaddis | did you know that ubuntu is an african word that means "freebsd is too hard"? | [21:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | I thought it meant "three naked people in a circle" | [21:42] |
| jlgaddis | that's the alternate translation
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/446184392_31cbe98294.jpg (possibly nsfw) i think that should be their logo instead | [21:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | not seeing - was that the logo for a bit
there was some questionable logo early on | [21:44] |
| jlgaddis | look at that image and the ubuntu logo side by side | [21:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | as I said, can't do that in this public bar :) | [21:44] |
| jlgaddis | oh, you're one of those damn civilized people | [21:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | only right now. :) | [21:45] |
| jlgaddis | that wouldn't be a problem at my bar
http://www.showmes.com/gallery.php?id=15 (warning: autoplays music) RandalSchwartz: do i recall hearing that you'll be at derbycon, or am i just drunk? | [21:47] |
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| jlgaddis | i think i'm just drunk | [21:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | what's derbycon, so ... no. | [21:57] |
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