...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're ready for new orders
now it's time to enjoy what is left of my friday night
up_the_irons: you didn't forget my upgrade request did you? ^_^
http://i.imgur.com/VFBLN.gif  lol
ohh
:D
its the 8th today :D
if im lucky can get a vps here o/
it's not a matter of luck
no ?
you put in your request, and wait until the order is filled
:D
luck is not involoved
kk
BarberRonny: thanks for that :)
is anyone here running openbsd?
I did for a while a long time ago, and then I decided that not running it would be better for me than self-harm to cope.
;)
jk, it wasn't quite that bad, why do you ask though?
mm
cos i've had shitty performance under vmware with openbsd
i find openbsd nice and clean
linux makes me feel dirty
and freebsd was a hodge podge of this and that
netbsd seemd kind of nice
i've been running openbsd on routers for a wihle
x86?
yeh
linux makes me feel dirty too
heh
i still use it
I haven't had any issues with FreeBSD, I've found it more usable than OpenBSD
stuff works more
never touched netbsd
hmm, threading is broken on openbsd
all kinds of stuff is broken on openbsd which is why I stopped using it.
and the kernel doesn't do smp
really, like what?
I didn't touch NetBSD because I don't like *cough* depricated *cough* software.
i must admit i've never done anything that complicated on it
i got corrupted data on a hard-disk in 2001 with freebsd
it kind of put me off
it's really scary when your data starts getting corrupted
it's the only time i've had problems of that kind
that was IDE with UDMA66 iirc...
i think things have advanced a bit since then
and like one of those power hungry athlons
like back when AMD was trumping intel with power usage
ahh, looks liek athlon thunderbird 1.4 ghz i think
the biggest thing that is broken about OpenBSD is the community.
oh heh
one of the most unfriendly communities I've ever dealt with.
i'm wondering what's happening with the tcp receive buffer scaling
it's kind of broken
in openbsd-current right now
they're doing a tcp window size of 16k
and scaling it up
as data is received
but it only works if tcp timestamps are supported by the other end
are you running -current in a production environment?
if they're not you're limited to 16k window size
yeah
not following current
but using it
i've never really had problems with openbsd-current
i've had more issues with linux kernels that aren't prerelease
like there was some kind of timestamp issue or something ages ago
which started giving connectivity issues
disabling tcp timestamps fixed it
theni  got a bit paranoid about tcp timestamps
so i had them off
which is how i discovered this issue with openbsd
thing is 16k  window size with 100 msec latency is 160k/sec whichi s slow.
also they're limiting their window sizes to 256k without having it tunable by sysctl
which means if you have say 250 msec latency (i'm in new zealand... that's about the minimum latency to europe)
you're limited to 1mb/sec.
and often latency gets higher than that
but to increase you have to modify the source code and compile your own kernel.  and then it's not supported.
but hell, i don't know how much support you really have with openbsd anyway.
there are some cool things though, like relayd.
which i think is in freebsd too
which can do nice simple clean layer 7 load balancing
merky: FreeBSD has relayd in /usr/ports/net/relayd ;)
heh
u played with it?
never
ahh ok
i was experimenting with using it to do transparent tcp proxying
I mostly use my FreeBSD machine as an MTA, IMAP server, and light load web/ftp server.
hmm
openbsd is capable of all of those tasks :/
you use linux as well?
documentation is inferior to freebsds imho
I use linux on my router.
otherwise I avoid it.
I'm OK with the RTFM attitude when the manual doesn't fail :P
it's amusing how all the dsl routers run linux now
yaeh
i'm appalled by linux documentation
but I've never seen something that comes ever close to the freebsd handbook as far as quality
and just how much it covers.
like reasonably "normal" things like doing traffic shapign
where's the documentation?
there's like howto's and guides
i never really found real normal documentation
i always thought it was a lot saner under openbsd
hmm i wonder what freebsd handbook says about traffic shaping
apaprently freebsd has 3 firewall packages
one of them being the openbsd one :)
yeah
oh it has CARP too
and openbgpd
tbh I'm really not a very advanced user...
which may or may not be why I didn't take to OpenBSD.
heh
until now I hadn't even heard of CARP :P
any idea when up_the_irons is around ?
i'm only advanced with networky type things i suppose
gah i should be asleep
well, aside from programming, what else is there to be advanced with ^_^
hmm
web site design?
web design counts?
sure why not
if web design counts then so do powerpoint presentations ;)
my web design stretches as far as paragraphs and tables.
ok bedtime
I don't mean that to belittle web designers, but web design and  system/network administration are two completely different things.
now I feel bad, I think the comparison to powerpoint presentations may have been a little harsh ^_^
Web design is really hard and shouldn't be belittled, IMO.
correction:  GOOD web design.
Sure, and GOOD sysadmining is also hard.
GOOD anything is hard.
bad web design is pretty damned easy.  as is bad sysadmin ;)
mike-burns: exactly.  we seem to be on the same page. :P
heh
:D
anyone else have an outage for a few minutes?
or was that just me :P