[00:17] ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're ready for new orders [00:17] * up_the_irons opens the flood gates [00:18] now it's time to enjoy what is left of my friday night [00:18] * up_the_irons wanders off [00:51] up_the_irons: you didn't forget my upgrade request did you? ^_^ [01:55] *** Polynomial has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:29] http://i.imgur.com/VFBLN.gif lol [03:29] ohh [03:29] :D [03:30] its the 8th today :D [03:30] if im lucky can get a vps here o/ [03:31] it's not a matter of luck [03:31] no ? [03:31] you put in your request, and wait until the order is filled [03:31] :D [03:31] luck is not involoved [03:31] kk [04:02] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!) [04:03] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [04:04] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [04:20] *** Polynomial has joined #arpnetworks [04:39] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:01] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [05:27] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [05:33] *** merky has joined #arpnetworks [05:41] BarberRonny: thanks for that :) [06:07] is anyone here running openbsd? [06:24] *** lucky has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:24] *** lucky has joined #arpnetworks [06:41] I did for a while a long time ago, and then I decided that not running it would be better for me than self-harm to cope. [06:41] ;) [06:48] jk, it wasn't quite that bad, why do you ask though? [06:54] mm [06:54] cos i've had shitty performance under vmware with openbsd [06:54] i find openbsd nice and clean [06:55] linux makes me feel dirty [06:55] and freebsd was a hodge podge of this and that [06:55] netbsd seemd kind of nice [06:56] i've been running openbsd on routers for a wihle [07:02] x86? [07:02] yeh [07:02] linux makes me feel dirty too [07:02] heh [07:02] i still use it [07:02] I haven't had any issues with FreeBSD, I've found it more usable than OpenBSD [07:02] stuff works more [07:02] never touched netbsd [07:02] hmm, threading is broken on openbsd [07:03] all kinds of stuff is broken on openbsd which is why I stopped using it. [07:03] and the kernel doesn't do smp [07:03] really, like what? [07:03] I didn't touch NetBSD because I don't like *cough* depricated *cough* software. [07:03] i must admit i've never done anything that complicated on it [07:04] i got corrupted data on a hard-disk in 2001 with freebsd [07:04] it kind of put me off [07:04] it's really scary when your data starts getting corrupted [07:04] it's the only time i've had problems of that kind [07:05] that was IDE with UDMA66 iirc... [07:06] i think things have advanced a bit since then [07:06] and like one of those power hungry athlons [07:07] like back when AMD was trumping intel with power usage [07:08] ahh, looks liek athlon thunderbird 1.4 ghz i think [07:08] the biggest thing that is broken about OpenBSD is the community. [07:08] oh heh [07:08] one of the most unfriendly communities I've ever dealt with. [07:08] i'm wondering what's happening with the tcp receive buffer scaling [07:08] it's kind of broken [07:08] in openbsd-current right now [07:09] they're doing a tcp window size of 16k [07:09] and scaling it up [07:09] as data is received [07:09] but it only works if tcp timestamps are supported by the other end [07:09] are you running -current in a production environment? [07:09] *** lucky has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:09] if they're not you're limited to 16k window size [07:09] yeah [07:09] not following current [07:10] but using it [07:10] i've never really had problems with openbsd-current [07:10] i've had more issues with linux kernels that aren't prerelease [07:10] like there was some kind of timestamp issue or something ages ago [07:10] which started giving connectivity issues [07:10] disabling tcp timestamps fixed it [07:11] theni got a bit paranoid about tcp timestamps [07:11] so i had them off [07:11] which is how i discovered this issue with openbsd [07:11] thing is 16k window size with 100 msec latency is 160k/sec whichi s slow. [07:12] also they're limiting their window sizes to 256k without having it tunable by sysctl [07:13] which means if you have say 250 msec latency (i'm in new zealand... that's about the minimum latency to europe) [07:13] you're limited to 1mb/sec. [07:13] and often latency gets higher than that [07:14] but to increase you have to modify the source code and compile your own kernel. and then it's not supported. [07:14] but hell, i don't know how much support you really have with openbsd anyway. [07:15] there are some cool things though, like relayd. [07:16] which i think is in freebsd too [07:16] which can do nice simple clean layer 7 load balancing [07:17] merky: FreeBSD has relayd in /usr/ports/net/relayd ;) [07:17] heh [07:17] u played with it? [07:17] never [07:17] ahh ok [07:18] i was experimenting with using it to do transparent tcp proxying [07:18] I mostly use my FreeBSD machine as an MTA, IMAP server, and light load web/ftp server. [07:18] hmm [07:19] openbsd is capable of all of those tasks :/ [07:19] you use linux as well? [07:19] documentation is inferior to freebsds imho [07:20] I use linux on my router. [07:20] otherwise I avoid it. [07:20] I'm OK with the RTFM attitude when the manual doesn't fail :P [07:20] it's amusing how all the dsl routers run linux now [07:20] yaeh [07:21] i'm appalled by linux documentation [07:21] but I've never seen something that comes ever close to the freebsd handbook as far as quality [07:21] and just how much it covers. [07:21] like reasonably "normal" things like doing traffic shapign [07:21] where's the documentation? [07:22] there's like howto's and guides [07:22] i never really found real normal documentation [07:22] i always thought it was a lot saner under openbsd [07:23] hmm i wonder what freebsd handbook says about traffic shaping [07:24] apaprently freebsd has 3 firewall packages [07:25] one of them being the openbsd one :) [07:25] yeah [07:27] oh it has CARP too [07:27] and openbgpd [07:29] tbh I'm really not a very advanced user... [07:29] which may or may not be why I didn't take to OpenBSD. [07:29] heh [07:30] until now I hadn't even heard of CARP :P [07:30] any idea when up_the_irons is around ? [07:30] i'm only advanced with networky type things i suppose [07:32] gah i should be asleep [07:32] well, aside from programming, what else is there to be advanced with ^_^ [07:32] hmm [07:32] web site design? [07:32] web design counts? [07:32] sure why not [07:33] if web design counts then so do powerpoint presentations ;) [07:33] my web design stretches as far as paragraphs and tables. [07:34] ok bedtime [07:34] *** merky has left [07:38] I don't mean that to belittle web designers, but web design and system/network administration are two completely different things. [07:39] now I feel bad, I think the comparison to powerpoint presentations may have been a little harsh ^_^ [07:49] *** lucky has joined #arpnetworks [09:22] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [09:34] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:53] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [11:22] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [11:26] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:39] Web design is really hard and shouldn't be belittled, IMO. [11:54] correction: GOOD web design. [11:55] Sure, and GOOD sysadmining is also hard. [11:55] GOOD anything is hard. [11:55] bad web design is pretty damned easy. as is bad sysadmin ;) [11:55] mike-burns: exactly. we seem to be on the same page. :P [15:39] *** vcs has joined #arpnetworks [15:40] heh [15:40] :D [15:49] *** merky has joined #arpnetworks [18:13] *** mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks [18:14] anyone else have an outage for a few minutes? 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