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[05:38] <NGAD> how to filter all packets incoimng or outgoing my nic ?
[05:39] <mike-burns> NGAD: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ - also works on FreeBSD.
[05:40] <NGAD> mike-burns but i am using windows. i am used to it
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[08:02] <RandalSchwartz> Using windows... there's the WTF for ya.
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[08:52] <N1JER> I'm having a funky issue with my openbsd vps.. I patched and built the updated -stable kernel, but when I boot the new kernel the VPS complains because it says it can't find init. I've got to use VNC to tell it to boot the old 4.8 kernel.. It is really weird
[08:53] <N1JER> Has anyone else reported this issue? I'm not sure if it is QEMU related, something I'm doing wrong, or something with OpenBSD itself
[08:54] <RandalSchwartz> another reason I'm not using openbsd any more. :)
[08:54] <RandalSchwartz> but sorry, no, can't help ya.
[08:55] <RandalSchwartz> I wonder if it'd be possible to run the same emulation software that arp uses to make debugging easier
[08:55] <RandalSchwartz> of course, I'd have to run it inside vmware running linux somehwere, probably
[08:55] <N1JER> er.. I doubt the problem is with the operating system, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility.
[08:55] <RandalSchwartz> well - just saying, freebsd just works
[08:55] <RandalSchwartz> so it might indeed be an openbsd problem
[08:56] <RandalSchwartz> not having the right driver or low-level interface
[08:56] <RandalSchwartz> presuming something about the virtual hardware that isn't true
[08:56] <RandalSchwartz> but that could be a fault of the virtualizer as well
[08:56] <N1JER> the 4.8 kernel works fine. I'm just applying a few patches, nothing major
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[08:56] <RandalSchwartz> then it's likely something in those patches, eh?
[08:57] <fink> hi RandalSchwartz
[08:57] <N1JER> or in how the sources are fetched, or something.
[08:57] <N1JER> But, yeah, OpenBSD doesn't work for crap on Xen, VirtualBox or VMWare. But, it works with KVM and QEMU, that is my experience anyway.
[08:58] <RandalSchwartz> hey fink
[09:08] <jdoe> N1JER: heh, is it the mpbios issue?
[09:08] <jdoe> or rather, did you remember to disable it?
[09:09] <N1JER> jdoe: nope.. I'm aware of that
[09:09] <jdoe> dunno then
[09:09] <N1JER> I'm fetching from a different mirror and trying again
[09:09] <N1JER> blew away my /usr/src dir..
[09:09] <N1JER> I probably did something wrong
[09:11] <jdoe> dunno.
[09:11] <jdoe> I'm lazy, I haven't touched mine since it was provisioned.
[09:26] <N1JER> jdoe: did yours start with 4.8 or 4.7?
[09:26] <N1JER> Mine was with 4.7 and I upgraded to 4.8
[09:26] <N1JER> but this is the first time I've tried to use a kernel that I built
[09:29] <vcs> i upgraded to 4.8 a few weeks ago
[09:29] <vcs> had no problems
[09:29] <vcs> besides having to change a kernel flag
[09:30] <N1JER> vcs: yeah, the upgrade to 4.8 was fine for me as well, except the mpbios flag
[09:30] <vcs> yep
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[09:40] <jdoe> N1JER: 4.6
[09:40] <N1JER> !!!
[09:41] <jdoe> shrug. It works.
[09:42] <N1JER> Yeah, 4.6 was a good vintage :)
[09:43] <jdoe> the stuff that affects me is patched. The stuff that isn't, who cares.
[09:45] <jdoe> hrm, actually I take that back, apparently support only goes back 2 versions. Oops.
[09:45] <jdoe> ... though there's still nothing that affects me. Huzzah.
[09:45] <jdoe> ... guess I should look into how to upgrade :P
[09:49] <N1JER> jdoe: since we don't have access to boot media you have to do the 'unsupported' upgrade in place
[09:49] <N1JER> which, I've found over the years, to work just fine
[09:50] <N1JER> darn it, same thing happened.
[09:51] <jdoe> er... is that actually the case? I thought it just required a helping hand from up_the_irons to swap the media in the virtual drive.
[09:51] <N1JER> jdoe: oh really? I didn't know we could do that at arp :)
[09:52] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, just provide a URL in email to support@
[09:53] <jdoe> yeah, though that might be a PITA if I want to do two back-to-back as well.
[09:53] <jdoe> my install is barely customized, I imagine the unsupported one is fairly safe...
[09:53] <RandalSchwartz> once it's done, on your next complete powerdown, the new disk is "in the drive"
[09:53] <RandalSchwartz> so it's completely up to you when the swap happens
[09:54] <RandalSchwartz> apparently, the vm won't allow drive changes while the vm is powered up
[09:54] <jdoe> odd.
[09:54] <RandalSchwartz> I think it's a settings file that gets read only on coldboot
[09:55] <RandalSchwartz> so he's not actually forcing a drive eject from the "outsode"
[09:55] <RandalSchwartz> that might be difficult for $random_operating_system
[09:56] <RandalSchwartz> cool - iphone app talkatone lets you make free US/Canada calls using google voice and google talk.
[09:56] <RandalSchwartz> I wonder how long before *that* is blocked. :)
[10:04] <jdoe> depends on how uptight your provider is, I guess.
[10:06] <RandalSchwartz> the provider here being google
[10:06] <RandalSchwartz> how uptight do you think they'll be? :)
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[10:34] <N1JER> so, I'm a dolt. I forgot the vps runs amd64 and I was building i386
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> happens to all of us
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> well, some of us.
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> well, at least you. :)
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> thanks for taking one for the team
[10:50] <jpalmer> lol
[10:51] <N1JER> :\
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[11:38] <jdoe> lol
[11:39] <jdoe> RandalSchwartz: not sure google has any reason to care. Your telco may.
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[11:53] <RandalSchwartz> the local telco isn't involved if it's over wifi
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> google might care because it means your ability to make calls using their POTS interfaces are no longer throttled by having some other POTS call involved
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> I'm sure they count on that a bit
[11:55] <RandalSchwartz> although they did open up the gtalk-gvoice interface willfully
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[12:12] <N1JER> I don't think a lot of people out there are really relying on gtalk though
[12:12] <N1JER> I've used it just to see how well it worked, but I still use my phone, usually for logistic reasosn
[12:12] <N1JER> reasons
[12:12] <dxtr> GODDAMMIT
[12:12] <dxtr> How would I open .rtf files on a mac?
[12:13] <N1JER> textedit
[12:14] <dxtr> Oh
[12:14] <dxtr> Hmm
[12:14] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, double-click'em
[12:14] <RandalSchwartz> should open textedit
[12:15] <RandalSchwartz> .rtf is a "native" format on osx
[12:15] <dxtr> It didn't, weird enough
[12:15] <dxtr> Oh well. Thanks I guess :)
[12:15] <dxtr> But my teacher is retarded
[12:15] <dxtr> I sent in an assignment as a pdf file and he complained because he couldn't type comments directly in the text
[12:15] <dxtr> "Use Word!"
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[12:20] <up_the_irons> whitefang: still seeing packet loss through pccw?  My peer with Trit Networks (where I get a lot of asian routes) was down for a while, but the failure has been fixed and you may now notice a positive difference
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[12:21] <whitefang> up_the_irons: I'll have a look thanks
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[12:21] <whitefang> --- ionise.org ping statistics ---
[12:21] <whitefang> 12 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
[12:21] <whitefang> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 39.728/40.345/41.659/0.535 ms
[12:21] <whitefang> up_the_irons: I love you :)
[12:21] <up_the_irons> LOLZ
[12:21] <whitefang> I was feeling too lazy to file a support ticket and it wasn't really really your problem so I thought I'd bitch about it here enough that you might get around to looking at it if you had time.
[12:22] <up_the_irons> whitefang: my belated christmas present to you
[12:22] <up_the_irons> whitefang: LOL, that's pretty much what happened ;)
[12:22] * up_the_irons thinks "man, i'm going to have to fix the Trit peer so whitefang will stop bitching"
[12:22] <up_the_irons> ;)
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[12:24] <whitefang> 122 packets transmitted, 122 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
[12:24] <whitefang> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 39.522/40.225/41.991/0.363 ms
[12:24] <whitefang> mmmmm nice
[12:24] <whitefang> I'm going to enjoy that when I get home :)
[12:27] <jpalmer> whitefang: now we need to find other things to complain about, while up_the_irons is in the giving mood.   Or the "shut whitefang up" mood :P
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[12:39] <whitefang> haha
[12:39] <whitefang> where my more ramz!
[12:39] <whitefang> up_the_irons: there was at least one other person in her that was having those problems
[12:39] <whitefang> I think they were in BC too
[12:40] <vcs> hmmm
[12:40] <vcs> a core ipv6 route was just dropped to .nl
[12:40] <vcs> lol
[12:40] <vcs> not just arp tho
[12:40] <vcs> its way upstream
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[12:45] <up_the_irons> yeah, i think that person filed a support ticket
[12:45] <whitefang> hah, he wasted his time, what a chump.
[12:46] <up_the_irons> lol
[12:51] <dxtr> vcs: Same to .se
[12:51] <vcs> yeah
[12:51] <vcs> it was all of europe i think
[12:52] <vcs> i just switched to an american irc server
[12:52] <dxtr> :P
[12:52] <vcs> them terorrists cutting the ocean fiber again >:|
[12:52] <dxtr> Well, the route is up now so
[12:52] <up_the_irons> more like the fishermen
[12:53] <up_the_irons> "what's this thing caught in my rudder?  Let's cut it out"
[12:53] <vcs> lol
[12:53] <vcs> i guess its best to use more optimal routes, domestic routes
[12:54] <vcs> i switched to he.net for EFnet
[13:05] <vcs> i think gary said there is an he.net v6 router 1/2 hops away
[13:05] <vcs> so that should be a much more reliable route :P
[13:06] <up_the_irons> i don't recall saying that, but it may be true regardless :)
[13:29] <vcs> lol
[13:40] <dxtr> 1/2 hop? Is that even possible?
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[13:58] <N1JER> seq/win
[13:58] <N1JER> wrong window
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[14:35] <whitefang> up_the_irons: still appears to be a little packet lossy again
[14:35] <whitefang> it was fine for like an hour ^_^
[14:35] <whitefang> 10  rally-tech.ge9-4.br01.lax05.pccwbtn.net (63.218.42.130)  103.817 ms  114.761 ms  48.981 ms
[14:36] <whitefang> but you know what, there is a chance my network is being gump right now.
[14:38] <whitefang> haha, yeah I'm pretty sure there's two things going on right now...#1 my connection at work sux nuts...and #2 my wife is downloading torrents at home.
[14:41] <N1JER> legal ones, I'm sure.
[14:43] <whitefang> yes
[14:43] <whitefang> of course
[14:43] <whitefang> that's exactly what was going on
[14:43] <whitefang> see that's why I don't open support tickets :P
[14:47] <whitefang> that was just a OH GNOES I THINK THIS WAS FIXED PANIC TIME moment.
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[15:56] <whitefang> yeah pretty sure it really is all better: 4093 packets transmitted, 4093 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
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[17:01] <jdoe> well that took... way longer than I was expecting.
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[17:32] <up_the_irons> jdoe: that's what she said
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[18:54] <mhoran> Ha.
[18:55] <jdoe> csup took ~2 hours.
[18:55] <jdoe> terrifying.
[18:56] <mhoran>  Yikes. I remember the csup days.
[18:56] * mhoran hugs freebsd-update
[18:57] <mhoran> && portsnap
[18:58] <mhoran> cvsup was even more fun, since it wasn't even in the base system.
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[19:23] <whitefang> my first cvsup didn't take much longer than 15 minutes
[19:24] <whitefang> anyone here have much experience with openSUSE? I'm very underwhelmed with fedora on my old notebook and I've heard openSUSE is pretty decent for an install and forget about it distro (for notebooks)
[19:24] <whitefang> </redundancy>
[19:40] <jdoe> mhoran: obsd
[19:40] <jdoe> ... on the plus side, 4.8 seems more... responsive than 4.6 did.
[19:40] <jdoe> wonder if something changed to make it more virtualization-friendly...
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[20:00] <whitefang> this one time I considered castrating myself...then I realised it would be less painful to just stop using obsd :P
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[20:25] <lucky> hah, irecently came into possession of a sparcstation 20 ...
[20:25] <lucky> + openbsd = slow
[20:25] <lucky> fun, but slow.
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